What Leftism Does to People

[Harry Dresden]

Those on the right obey the law, are civil, polite, and considerate of the rights and property of others.

Those on the left are lawless, uncivil, impolite, inconsiderate of the right of others and destructive of property of others.

Where on earth did you get this idiocy?

What sort of a moron would make such sweeping generalities?

Some of the most foul criminals I’ve encountered advocated conservative dogma; some of the most law-abiding liberal.

Your mind is so consumed by hate and ignorance you can’t think logically or objectively.

Still haven't figured out the quote function properly, have you? Of course not. It suits your purposes.

its a ***** aint it?......there could be 500 posts here and this dipshit quotes someone and you dont who the **** it is.....yea Clayton im talking about you....learn how to use the quote function ......

 

[Luissa]

The problem with the left's view of liberty is less liberty, all in the name of protecting liberty.

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

Yes, liberals' idea of liberty is forcing others to accept and fund their own personal views of how the world should be and being allowed to kill those who are inconvenient to them. Thanks for pointing that out.

I really hope you didn't support Reagan or Bush.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

Yes, liberals' idea of liberty is forcing others to accept and fund their own personal views of how the world should be and being allowed to kill those who are inconvenient to them. Thanks for pointing that out.

You are on a roll...........

As soon as my reps are reloaded. You have a few coming.

Awww. You're too kind.

 

[techieny]

 

[Political Junky]

Why change was has worked...and just becuase a bunch of petulants that have a hard time running thier lives seek to destroy liberty of others by law, and at the point of a gun because they refuse to grow the Hell up and be responsible for themselves?

Y'know, I was talking to this new guy who joined our coffee social today. He's in his second year of college, and he was telling me that he had just declared PoliSci as his major. I said, "With an eye toward doing what?" He stared at me blankly. I said, "What was it you were intending on doing after college?" He shrugged and said, "I don't know. I went without a major all last year, and they really wanted me to choose something, and I'm kinda interested in PoliSci, so . . . I might change it to Philosophy, I dunno." (This is a direct, verbatim quote.) At this point in the conversation, I thought, "Oh, yeah, here's another useless societal drain just looking for a park to camp out and shout slogans in."

Do you think that might be the reason that leftists conduct such socially unacceptable protests? (Socially unacceptable to anybody who isn't urging on the protesters of course.) Those protesting are just people who don't have a clue what they want to be when they grow up? But they have to do something and protesting for something they can't even identify is what they do?

But why are people like that so destructive and disrespectful to others?

And why are Tea Partiers who are very clear on what they want and why they want it not at all destructive and are quite respectful to others?

Several folks here have gone after me and/or conservatives in general for posting the thread and after Klaven for his remarks that form the OP. They've accused him of some ugly things and said his thesis was poorly written. But not a single one of them has offered anything to show why he is wrong in both his perceptions and conclusions.

Protests got us out of Vietnam. I consider that a good thing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

Yes, liberals' idea of liberty is forcing others to accept and fund their own personal views of how the world should be and being allowed to kill those who are inconvenient to them. Thanks for pointing that out.

I really hope you didn't support Reagan or Bush.

And in a stunning new development, your opinion about what conservatives are and how they should behave STILL means less than a taco fart in a warm breeze. Then again, one could say that about ANY of your opinions, so . . .

 

[Cecilie1200]

Y'know, I was talking to this new guy who joined our coffee social today. He's in his second year of college, and he was telling me that he had just declared PoliSci as his major. I said, "With an eye toward doing what?" He stared at me blankly. I said, "What was it you were intending on doing after college?" He shrugged and said, "I don't know. I went without a major all last year, and they really wanted me to choose something, and I'm kinda interested in PoliSci, so . . . I might change it to Philosophy, I dunno." (This is a direct, verbatim quote.) At this point in the conversation, I thought, "Oh, yeah, here's another useless societal drain just looking for a park to camp out and shout slogans in."

Do you think that might be the reason that leftists conduct such socially unacceptable protests? (Socially unacceptable to anybody who isn't urging on the protesters of course.) Those protesting are just people who don't have a clue what they want to be when they grow up? But they have to do something and protesting for something they can't even identify is what they do?

But why are people like that so destructive and disrespectful to others?

And why are Tea Partiers who are very clear on what they want and why they want it not at all destructive and are quite respectful to others?

Several folks here have gone after me and/or conservatives in general for posting the thread and after Klaven for his remarks that form the OP. They've accused him of some ugly things and said his thesis was poorly written. But not a single one of them has offered anything to show why he is wrong in both his perceptions and conclusions.

Protests got us out of Vietnam. I consider that a good thing.

The thousands of Vietnamese who were slaughtered in our wake might disagree.

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course the thread topic is that leftism seems to promote disorderly, rude, disruptive, offensive, and destructive behavior. Are we witnessing that on this thread do you think?

In case somebody in addition to Sky missed it. . . .

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it started about page 2 and by right wingers.
Of course, you don't address anything anyone says without a. Putting them down b. And not really addressing what they say.
In another post you talk about the left not being able to give a straight answer. All I see you doing is trying talk yourself out of a box.

And, if you were really trying to be honest and fair here, you saw my posts requesting civility and asking folks to get back on topic. You also saw me commending you for your civility and hoping you are feeling better. Are you?

I will also say, with a slip here an there which is going to be inevitable on a message board, the rightwingers honored my request and ceased the sniping. The leftwingers haven't.

Which only reinforces Klaven's theory re leftism expressed in the OP don't you think?

 

[Harry Dresden]

The problem with the left's view of liberty is less liberty, all in the name of protecting liberty.

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

like the Left has Defended it in California?......Twice.....

 

[Luissa]

Yes, liberals' idea of liberty is forcing others to accept and fund their own personal views of how the world should be and being allowed to kill those who are inconvenient to them. Thanks for pointing that out.

I really hope you didn't support Reagan or Bush.

And in a stunning new development, your opinion about what conservatives are and how they should behave STILL means less than a taco fart in a warm breeze. Then again, one could say that about ANY of your opinions, so . . .

So you did support both? Good to know.
And I have a high opinion of most cons I know. The condescending upity ones on this board are the only ones I have a low opinion of. I also have no opinion on how one should behave. I just have an opinion on people trying to push their beliefs on others, telling them how to behave then calling themselves classic liberals aka modern conservatives.

 

[Political Junky]

The problem with the left's view of liberty is less liberty, all in the name of protecting liberty.

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

like the Left has Defended it in California?......Twice.....

Right wing loons did that in California, but you know that.

 

[Luissa]

The problem with the left's view of liberty is less liberty, all in the name of protecting liberty.

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

like the Left has Defended it in California?......Twice.....

Conservative democrats still exist

 

[Harry Dresden]

Last Monday, Andrew Klaven offered a mini essay that is particularly pertinent at this time of history given the social upheavals witnessed across the country.

I fully expect the numbnuts, wingnuts, and dingbats to immediately condemn his thesis and probably some right wingnuts will immediately applaud it without thinking.

But if we could keep this reasonably civil, I think there are some people who will actually consider whether he is right. Or whether his thesis is flawed and why.

The emphasis is mine and I took some liberties with the paragraphing hoping to make the text more readable.

Leftism is bad for people. It makes them awful.

The unwashed, ill-mannered, anti-Semitic, entitled, and now violent mobs littering various parts of the nation under the banner “Occupy” believe their ideas will lead to a better society — but they actually are the society their ideas lead to. Their behavior when compared to the polite, law-abiding, non-racist demonstrations of so-called tea partiers tells you everything you need to know about the end results of statism on the one hand and constitutional liberty on the other.

This is not, of course, to say that every left-winger is a miscreant but rather that the natural, indeed inevitable, result of statism is to produce nations of miscreants. When the state is permitted to make the individual’s moral choices, the individual is forced to become either a slave or a criminal; when the state is permitted to redistribute wealth, it chains the citizen into a rigid, two-tiered hierarchy of power rather than freedom’s fluid, multi-layered rankings of merit and chance; when the people are taught to be dependent on entitlements, they are reduced to violence when, inevitably, the entitlement well runs dry; when belief in the state usurps every higher creed, the people become apathetic, hedonistic, and uncreative and their culture slouches into oblivion.

I need hardly expend the energy required to lift my finger and point to Europe where cities burn because the unemployable are unemployed or because the hard-working won’t fund the debts of the indolent; where violent and despicable Islamism eats away portions of municipalities like a cancer while the authorities do nothing; where nations that once produced history’s greatest achievements in science and the arts can now no longer produce even enough human beings to sustain themselves.
Klavan On The Culture » What Leftism Does to People

What a pile of Pubcrappe. The young OWS, like the EUers, are victims and protestors of the greedy, lying, cheating PUBS and bankers. They are enabled by the dupes of the corrupt elites, the Pubs and bankers here and the elite and corrupt in Greece stand out.
Blaming dirty bums and the unemployed is ridiculous, only for brainwashed dittoheads. The world is aghast. Change the channel.

ok Frankie....got ya....get those crayons back yet?....come on you can take Shamen....

 

[Luissa]

Attributing certain actions to political beliefs is trying to put to many things in a certain box. that is also how I feel about my political beliefs. I don't think just one way on every issue. I don't think most do either.
And no I am not feeling better. I think some right winger gave me anthrax or something.
One would think I would have felt better after taking a nap. Thanks for asking.

Of course the thread topic is that leftism seems to promote disorderly, rude, disruptive, offensive, and destructive behavior. Are we witnessing that on this thread do you think?

In case somebody in addition to Sky missed it. . . .

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it started about page 2 and by right wingers.
Of course, you don't address anything anyone says without a. Putting them down b. And not really addressing what they say.
In another post you talk about the left not being able to give a straight answer. All I see you doing is trying talk yourself out of a box.

And, if you were really trying to be honest and fair here, you saw my posts requesting civility and asking folks to get back on topic. You also saw me commending you for your civility and hoping you are feeling better. Are you?

I will also say, with a slip here an there which is going to be inevitable on a message board, the rightwingers honored my request and ceased the sniping. The leftwingers haven't.

Which only reinforces Klaven's theory re leftism expressed in the OP don't you think?

 

[Olivia]

It's a poorly written article with Klavins own hypocrisy opinion. It just is. Second paragraph which you highlighted My first question who in the left is he talking about and what is this about the tea party being innocent of Crimes? Remember Gabby in Az who was shot?

His last paragraph starts with not everyone on the left is a miscreant? What?

Your poll shows that many are afraid of unchecked leftism. I think that is more interesting then the article.

Gabby that was shot by a left wing loon?

That's not how I labeled him, but he did get caught up in the crosshairs of things or teaings.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

like the Left has Defended it in California?......Twice.....

Right wing loons did that in California, but you know that.

they did?.....i did not know Right Wingers had that much sway over Liberals who out number Conservatives in the State by a decent margin.....thats interesting......so are you saying that California Liberals are that easily swayed.....by RIGHT WING LOONS?......or could it be that many Liberals are not for the Gay Marriage right?......which one is it Junky?....

 

[Foxfyre]

Okay Sky. You obviously came into this thread to disrupt it and you have succeeded. So I'll wait until you and the other No. 4 people get bored with your game here and hopefully the grown ups can discuss the thread topic. If not, cest la vie.

You've just put your finger squarely on the reason I have most of the little twatmuffins on ignore: so I can go on discussing topics with the grown-ups and without their disruptions.

I have never put a member on ignore. Nor have I ever neg repped a member for any opinion expressed no matter how stupid, hateful, or judgmental. But I may have to change my ways in order to be able to enjoy USMB.

But it really does illustrate Klaven's point doesn't it? Leftists who aren't getting their way or who want to force somebody to give them what they want are too often likely to respect nobody and can get really ugly and hateful as well as destructive. Violating the rights and property of others and trying to make others miserable is the norm in the mob mentality as Klaven clearly illustrated.

But American conservatives don't seem to go that way.

I know the leftists hate this topic because it's pretty hard to dispute the thesis. I'm seeing Klaven's point of view reinforced as we go along and I think he has hit on something.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?

like the Left has Defended it in California?......Twice.....

Conservative democrats still exist

now we getting somewhere...........i usually get shit like the Mormons turned the tide.....bullshit.....there are many Left leaning people who just dont believe in gays marrying......and did not need no Mormon telling them that.....Junky just posted it was the "RIGHT WING LOONS" who did it.........yea right....in California.....

 

[Luissa]

By this, I can also make the assumption conservatives like judging many by a few. And there are a few American conservatives on this board that get just as disruptive.
As for the protesters, I already gave my opinion on that. They shouldn't be violent, but they shouldn't be convient . I should also add autocorrect has been replacing words on me. Lol because like many protesters I have an iPhone. But I love consumerism. .

Okay Sky. You obviously came into this thread to disrupt it and you have succeeded. So I'll wait until you and the other No. 4 people get bored with your game here and hopefully the grown ups can discuss the thread topic. If not, cest la vie.

You've just put your finger squarely on the reason I have most of the little twatmuffins on ignore: so I can go on discussing topics with the grown-ups and without their disruptions.

I have never put a member on ignore. Nor have I ever neg repped a member for any opinion expressed no matter how stupid, hateful, or judgmental. But I may have to change my ways in order to be able to enjoy USMB.

But it really does illustrate Klaven's point doesn't it? Leftists who aren't getting their way or who want to force somebody to give them what they want are too often likely to respect nobody and can get really ugly and hateful as well as destructive. Violating the rights and property of others and trying to make others miserable is the norm in the mob mentality as Klaven clearly illustrated.

But American conservatives don't seem to go that way.

I know the leftists hate this topic because it's pretty hard to dispute the thesis. I'm seeing Klaven's point of view reinforced as we go along and I think he has hit on something.

 

[Luissa]

like the Left has Defended it in California?......Twice.....

Conservative democrats still exist

now we getting somewhere...........i usually get shit like the Mormons turned the tide.....bullshit.....there are many Left leaning people who just dont believe in gays marrying......and did not need no Mormon telling them that.....Junky just posted it was the "RIGHT WING LOONS" who did it.........yea right....in California.....

If my grandmother wasn't a conservative democrat I might answer differently. Plus I live in an area where most dems have a lot in common with social cons. My grandma cracks me up. She doesn't like black people on the Young and The Restless but she likes Obama. Of course she Is a Kansas democrat, an old school kansas dem. Lol