What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?

[HandleTheTruth]

There was a red flag law and he was simply let go without any action after he had a plan to shoot up his high school.

And under that law the medical health doctor has to deem him a danger to society to trigger it. And they did not.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

My response to you demonstrates that the points you tried to make are unsound.

Really? How so?

 

[iceberg]

why do people have some false sense of security a law will keep someone from doing something?

Illegal Guns Statistics Overview

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Another study showed that five out of six gun-possessing felons did not purchase a handgun or otherwise get one through legal means, but instead procured an illegal weapon through the secondary market, or by theft.

let that sink in for a bit. 5 of 6 felons had illegal guns. so will more laws help? common sense (the thing the liberals keep begging for) says to step back and look at the problem, not keep pounding "the nail" so to speak.

Philly gun arrests are on a record pace, but convictions drop under DA Krasner

Police are on pace to make 3,000 arrests this year for carrying a gun illegally, a record, but the people charged are less likely to be convicted.

www.inquirer.com

Chicago Crime Statistics: Shootings and Murders Up, Prosecutions Down

Chicago, Illinois endured a spike in gun violence and murders in 2020, with the worst impact on blacks, new statistics from the Chicago Police Department and Cook County Medical Examiner’s Office show. Final crime numbers for 2020 released by the Chicago Police Department last week showed...

heartlanddailynews.com

it would seem that we don't prosecute fully those who are breaking the law in many instances. maybe we need to look there and at the core cause of said violence instead of putting the entire focus on 1 facet and pretending if you fix that, the rest gets fixed.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

No not at all. I think legal gun ownership is right. But when a lunatic has a gun nobody is safe.

So..you couldn't care less if that same lunatic has a bomb.....a truck.....a knife.....a bottle of acid etc?

As long as they don't use a gun, you seem to have no issue with murder.

Also, while only a few lose their lives to those lunatics...millions are spared, defended, protected.

Statistically, the glaring argument is Leftists / Democrats are nearly always the perp and the victim.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Leftists are simply insane.
They create the very policies that result in mass shootings ..........
Then demand that YOU, the innocent, pay the price for the evil and harm their policies cause.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And under that law the medical health doctor has to deem him a danger to society to trigger it. And they did not.

Sociopaths rarely display any signs of being dangerous, until they are.

 

[Batcat]

NY gun laws:
Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia
NY has among the strongest gun laws in the US - indeed, NY has ALL the 'common sense' laws - laws, we are told,. will prevent shootings like this.
Obviously, these laws don't work.
So...
What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?
What makes you believe this?
How do these law(s) not violate the constitution?

With his history I can’t believe he was allowed to purchase a firearm.

He had threatened to shoot up his high school and was evaluated…

What we know about Buffalo supermarket shooting suspect Payton Gendron | CNN

The 18-year-old man who allegedly shot and killed 10 people in Buffalo, New York, on Saturday afternoon was motivated by hate, authorities said, targeting a supermarket in the heart of a predominantly Black community.

www.cnn.com

If background checks don’t stop people like him then what good are they?

Time and time again I read the shooter has basically been waving red flags and even though he attracts attention he is still able to legallly buy a firearm.

Here’s another example. …

Shooting suspect was able to buy guns despite mental illness

BALTIMORE (AP) — The young man who opened fire at a Florida video game tournament had shown abundant signs he was struggling with a mental disorder: He was prescribed an anti-psychotic drug as an adolescent and had been hospitalized at least twice for mental illness.

apnews.com

And another …

Movie theater shooter's mental problems didn't stop gun buy - Breitbart

LAFAYETTE, La. (AP) — John Russell Houser was deeply troubled long before he shot 11 people in a movie theater in Louisiana, but decades of mental

www.breitbart.com

Plus …

Cincinnati shooting: Why was Omar Santa Perez able to get a gun?

Cincinnati Police Chief Eliot Isaac said Thursday that the 9mm semi-automatic pistol "appears to have been legally purchased." What laws allow that?

www.cincinnati.com

Let’s not forget the Florida school shooting …

Florida shooting suspect bought gun legally, authorities say

The suspect legally bought the semiautomatic at a Broward County gun shop last February, officials say.

www.usatoday.com

There are even more example I could post.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

And under that law the medical health doctor has to deem him a danger to society to trigger it. And they did not.

Given the evidence. Someone clearly fucked up. Under the circumstances, the law should require closer scrutiny regards of what the report said.

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Wow! Thank you for that thoughtful and comprehensive dissertation on the issue of gun control and mass murders in America! Clearly you have numerous advanced degrees from the finest institutions of higher learn in fields as diverse as Constitutional Law, Criminal Justic, Education, Psychology, and Psychiatry with a specialty in extremism and internet indoctrination. Please continue to share your pearls of wisdom. We can learn so much from you. Thank you for raising the bar on intellectual discourse and civility on the USMB May the Gods and Goddesses bless you always

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

If background checks don’t stop people like him then what good are they?

They are no good unless they are beefed up and enforced

 

[HandleTheTruth]

why do people have some false sense of security a law will keep someone from doing something?

Illegal Guns Statistics Overview

Illegal Guns Statistics Overview - Understand Illegal Guns Statistics Overview, LAWS.COM - GUN LAWS, its processes, and crucial LAWS.COM - GUN LAWS information needed.

gun.laws.com

Another study showed that five out of six gun-possessing felons did not purchase a handgun or otherwise get one through legal means, but instead procured an illegal weapon through the secondary market, or by theft.

let that sink in for a bit. 5 of 6 felons had illegal guns. so will more laws help? common sense (the thing the liberals keep begging for) says to step back and look at the problem, not keep pounding "the nail" so to speak.

Philly gun arrests are on a record pace, but convictions drop under DA Krasner

Police are on pace to make 3,000 arrests this year for carrying a gun illegally, a record, but the people charged are less likely to be convicted.

www.inquirer.com

Chicago Crime Statistics: Shootings and Murders Up, Prosecutions Down

Chicago, Illinois endured a spike in gun violence and murders in 2020, with the worst impact on blacks, new statistics from the Chicago Police Department and Cook County Medical Examiner’s Office show. Final crime numbers for 2020 released by the Chicago Police Department last week showed...

heartlanddailynews.com

it would seem that we don't prosecute fully those who are breaking the law in many instances. maybe we need to look there and at the core cause of said violence instead of putting the entire focus on 1 facet and pretending if you fix that, the rest gets fixed.

Yeah murder happens why have laws. We should legalize it it human nature.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Having state gun control laws are useless when you can simply go to another state and get a gun.

You need laws to prevent guys like Tucker Carlson from promoting bullshit like “Replacement theory” and all of the hate speech coming out of right wing media.

It’s time for Americans to be told facts, not hate and lies. Half the country is being mislead and taught to hate by this crap.

You don't live here, so why is it any of your concern?

 

[Missourian]

The problem has been around for years and the Republican have no interest in fixing anything.

I haven't seen a fix proposed that will work.

That guy out in California was 60 years old. He could have bought that gun in the 1980s.

This kid in New York was 18. Subject to every gun law ever proposed by a gun grabber and it did change a damn thing.

150,000,000 gun owners in the United States ... and 86 mass shootings using a magazine larger than 10 rounds in the last 42 years (that's according to gun controllers).

Brother...that's a tribute to freedom and responsibility right there.

It's hard for the human mind to grapple with numbers like that...so...allow me to put that into an mental image.

If a Greyhound Bus hold 70 people...it would take 2,142,857 buses to hold them all...and if those buses requires 50 feet of space on the interstate...that convoy of buses would stretch from Long Beach California to Myrtle Beach South Carolina AND BACK...four times.

 

[Batcat]

They are no good unless they are beefed up and enforced

Exactly.

I am beginning to wonder if they are not “beefed up and enforced” so the government can eventually take guns away from honest, sane people.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

With his history I can’t believe he was allowed to purchase a firearm.

He had threatened to shoot up his high school and was evaluated…

What we know about Buffalo supermarket shooting suspect Payton Gendron | CNN

The 18-year-old man who allegedly shot and killed 10 people in Buffalo, New York, on Saturday afternoon was motivated by hate, authorities said, targeting a supermarket in the heart of a predominantly Black community.

www.cnn.com

If background checks don’t stop people like him then what good are they?

Time and time again I read the shooter has basically been waving red flags and even though he attracts attention he is still able to legallly buy a firearm.

Here’s another example. …

Shooting suspect was able to buy guns despite mental illness

BALTIMORE (AP) — The young man who opened fire at a Florida video game tournament had shown abundant signs he was struggling with a mental disorder: He was prescribed an anti-psychotic drug as an adolescent and had been hospitalized at least twice for mental illness.

apnews.com

And another …

Movie theater shooter's mental problems didn't stop gun buy - Breitbart

LAFAYETTE, La. (AP) — John Russell Houser was deeply troubled long before he shot 11 people in a movie theater in Louisiana, but decades of mental

www.breitbart.com

Plus …

Cincinnati shooting: Why was Omar Santa Perez able to get a gun?

Cincinnati Police Chief Eliot Isaac said Thursday that the 9mm semi-automatic pistol "appears to have been legally purchased." What laws allow that?

www.cincinnati.com

Let’s not forget the Florida school shooting …

Florida shooting suspect bought gun legally, authorities say

The suspect legally bought the semiautomatic at a Broward County gun shop last February, officials say.

www.usatoday.com

There are even more example I could post.

Yeah murder laws don't prevent murders either let's scrap them.

Exactly.

I am beginning to wonder if they are not “beefed up and enforced” so the government can eventually take guns away from honest, sane people.

Murder laws don't stop murder let's just scrap them. It's going to happen why have laws.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Yup nothing to do with this.

Or this
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or this


No it's this
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The killer never mentions Tucker in his 180 page Manifesto.

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Where did you get your current beliefs? Mostly from the internet. There was little to no influence on my personal beliefs by people I met in person. I read multiple sources of information from all ideologies and decided that my current one is most correct.

 

[cnm]

If they are proven not to stop mass shootings at the state level...like we said they wouldn't...then there is zero logical reason to pass them nationally.

Agreed. The 2nd will have to be repealed or amended to have any useful effect.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

Yeah murder happens even though we got laws. Evidently the murder laws don't work let's scrap them.

 

[cnm]

Oh, trust me, I am...

Oh. I thought you were worrying about mass shootings and the inability of the US to deal with them like other developed countries have done. My bad.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nukes are arms.

Only if you can carry them!

 

[HandleTheTruth]

Agreed. The 2nd will have to be repealed or amended to have any useful effect.

The thing is legal gun owners might want to stop the illegal guns on the street so they don't have competition but they don't care.