What kind of spying justifies this amount of acreage in Bluffdale, Utah

[FA_Q2]

I actually got to meet the NSA agent that observes my internet use in real time.

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That's the problem. You actually think that such a statement has any connection with anything. This is not how things work. You USED to be perfectly safe because no one would ever pay an agent, quite an expensive proposition, to sit there and watch your porn. They do not have to anymore. This is the agent tracking you, and a million others simultaneously.

You misunderstand the real problem with collecting this data and it is not like we are not already acutely aware how it can be used. It is, specifically, a backwards system - you do not use this type of data to find people. You use it to find reasons that you can target someone you have already found. They did this exact type of operation against MLK and it is well known fact today. Not because MLK was doing something that was worthy of FBI attention but rather because King was against the current power players.

Edit: the link has a short text breakdown. it just is not the audio version. It does not take more than a min to read through rather than listening to the 30 min audio.


No one is watching you. no one is tracking you. No one is going to do anything with your data. That is because you are an unimportant player that has almost zero impact on the political process. The point is that because they have that data on you, you CANNOT gain political impact, before you do the FBI and other political organizations have all the data they need to destroy your character before that ever happens. If you think a group of perfectly normal humans are not going to tap into that virtually infinite source of power, you need to examine human nature much more closely.

All that is missing is being able to better predict who is a threat to the current political structure.

 

[FA_Q2]

Mod Note: Just for the record, although most pictures and info from the Utah link in the Opost for this thread are similar to what I've read in the press, -- the one picture of the monument sign at the entrance with the motto "If you have nothing to hide, You have nothing to fear" -- MAY NOT be genuine.

It comes from a private site that TRACKS and collects leaked IC (intel community) data. It is a dot-gov1 site rather than dot-gov -- and it identifies itself as an NSA parody site. It's even ripped off pages of the actual PUBLIC NSA site.

To be CLEAR -- the LINK in the OPost is a genuine attempt by "onlyinourstate.com" to do journalistic research on Utah site. It's just THEY might have taken this picture from the "parody" site. I dont KNOW that motto monument is not real, but this PICTURE seems only to link back to the dot-gov1 site..

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It is not a may. It is a fake.

 

[the other mike]

That's the problem. You actually think that such a statement has any connection with anything. This is not how things work. You USED to be perfectly safe because no one would ever pay an agent, quite an expensive proposition, to sit there and watch your porn. They do not have to anymore. This is the agent tracking you, and a million others simultaneously.

You misunderstand the real problem with collecting this data and it is not like we are not already acutely aware how it can be used. It is, specifically, a backwards system - you do not use this type of data to find people. You use it to find reasons that you can target someone you have already found. They did this exact type of operation against MLK and it is well known fact today. Not because MLK was doing something that was worthy of FBI attention but rather because King was against the current power players.

Edit: the link has a short text breakdown. it just is not the audio version. It does not take more than a min to read through rather than listening to the 30 min audio.


No one is watching you. no one is tracking you. No one is going to do anything with your data. That is because you are an unimportant player that has almost zero impact on the political process. The point is that because they have that data on you, you CANNOT gain political impact, before you do the FBI and other political organizations have all the data they need to destroy your character before that ever happens. If you think a group of perfectly normal humans are not going to tap into that virtually infinite source of power, you need to examine human nature much more closely.

All that is missing is being able to better predict who is a threat to the current political structure.

Parallel construction.

Sort of like the way Comey tried getting around the FISA court.....
on a much larger and more pervasive scale than people can imagine.....

 

[FA_Q2]

Let's try this, Juicin .

In one paragraph, describe what you think about 9/11.
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Jucin may not be interested in where you are going with this but I am. Make your point.

 

[the other mike]

Jucin may not be interested in where you are going with this but I am. Make your point.

This is between me and Juicin , but thanks for your keen interest.

 

[Rigby5]

Hope thats photoshopped

 

[the other mike]

There's a secret tunnel from there to Dick Cheney's Wyoming ranch.

 

[the other mike]

How about straight from the horse's mouth ?

From this past week......

 

[flacaltenn]

It is not a may. It is a fake.

Not doubting you.. I know you can't answer this, but "have ya been there"??

It looked that way to me also.. It's WAAY too "churchy" to be at the front door of that facility. And that MOTTO MAY ACTUALLY be somewhere in the H.R./Security offices -- because IF it existed, it would be a reminder to the employees to "live a clean life" or tell it to your Security officer.

 

[Batcat]

All brought to you by the War on Terra™ and the Patriot Act.

I remember I was immediately suspicious of the “Patriot Act.” That term tripped my bullshit detector. The Bush family has always been part of the Deep State.

 

[FA_Q2]

Not doubting you.. I know you can't answer this, but "have ya been there"??

It looked that way to me also.. It's WAAY too "churchy" to be at the front door of that facility. And that MOTTO MAY ACTUALLY be somewhere in the H.R./Security offices -- because IF it existed, it would be a reminder to the employees to "live a clean life" or tell it to your Security officer.

Have I been there is irrelevant. Have you been to the moon? Are the moon landing pictures faked?

I mean, we could be reasonable and declare the obvious fake website declaring itself a parody site actually placed the insane and ridiculous obviously fake motto in front of the building. We could be reasonable and understand that the hundreds of pictures taken of the front of the actual building by real news agencies like this one did not intentionally edit out the part that would have ENSURED millions of more clicks, views and otherwise ginned up a TON more traffic:

Which took me FAR less time to find than you likely took in posting that it 'may be fake.' Or we could just follow our preconceived notion of how bad the data center is and just assume that it might be true because... well just because.


you are better than this flat. And so is G who seems to have disappeared, usually you 2 are not prone to be taken in by parody sites. This time you were.


And, oh look, there is a rock exactly where the sign is supposed to be. I wonder where the stock photo came from that they edited to make their OBVIOUS photoshop that was meant to be OBVIOUS. Wait....

I mean, holy shit, how far does it have to go before simply admitting it is not real. The danger and outrage at the center is justified without the damn picture.

 

[flacaltenn]

Have I been there is irrelevant. Have you been to the moon? Are the moon landing pictures faked?

I mean, we could be reasonable and declare the obvious fake website declaring itself a parody site actually placed the insane and ridiculous obviously fake motto in front of the building. We could be reasonable and understand that the hundreds of pictures taken of the front of the actual building by real news agencies like this one did not intentionally edit out the part that would have ENSURED millions of more clicks, views and otherwise ginned up a TON more traffic:

Which took me FAR less time to find than you likely took in posting that it 'may be fake.' Or we could just follow our preconceived notion of how bad the data center is and just assume that it might be true because... well just because.


you are better than this flat. And so is G who seems to have disappeared, usually you 2 are not prone to be taken in by parody sites. This time you were.


And, oh look, there is a rock exactly where the sign is supposed to be. I wonder where the stock photo came from that they edited to make their OBVIOUS photoshop that was meant to be OBVIOUS. Wait....

I mean, holy shit, how far does it have to go before simply admitting it is not real. The danger and outrage at the center is justified without the damn picture.

I'd love to trigger you more by suggesting that it's just as easy to photoshop rocks. But I do not hate you enough to just troll you.. LOL..

So who's CPJ? Where this photo is from. Which I cannot believe with the BILLIONS of dollars this cost -- that they couldn't get FANCIER ROCKS????



Dude/dudette -- I CAN SEE that it's a steal of the original from the flag, shadows, lighting -- everything suggests that. Just want to know what actor posted it.

 

[the other mike]

I remember I was immediately suspicious of the “Patriot Act.” That term tripped my bullshit detector. The Bush family has always been part of the Deep State.

Up until he died 3 years ago Poppy Bush probably had more security clearance
than president Trump.

 

[FA_Q2]

I'd love to trigger you more by suggesting that it's just as easy to photoshop rocks. But I do not hate you enough to just troll you.. LOL..

So who's CPJ? Where this photo is from. Which I cannot believe with the BILLIONS of dollars this cost -- that they couldn't get FANCIER ROCKS????



Dude/dudette -- I CAN SEE that it's a steal of the original from the flag, shadows, lighting -- everything suggests that. Just want to know what actor posted it.

Don't know, don't care and the silly notion of 'triggered' is monumentally moronic.

Its just a fact that the façade in the original is a fake. It is not 'triggering' to simply plant my flag on the hill of truth.

I refuse not to call out blindly following alone with bullshit when anyone does it - be it an example like this one where the outrage is justified regardless of what useless piece of rock is placed in front of the unconstitutional building or not.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We all know the amount of information you can store on your personal computer. Pretty massive for what we do.
But how much spying into our personal lives justifies the amount of acreage at this NSA facility.
The United States is controlled by the top 1% The bottom 70% are too poor and I dunno about the other 29%
The answer is obvious, the government wants to become more intrusive into our lives. Your 600 dollar transaction will be stored here.

I wonder...how many alarms went off at spy agencies when they saw the words. Bluffdale Utah.
Nobody talks about Bluffdale. When I was a kid it was the place where flat earthers dropped off the planet.

The Utah Data Center Covers 1.5 Million Square Feet, And It Holds A Massive Amount Of Info

The Utah Data Center is a huge repository of digital data housed in a 1.5 million-square-foot facility in Bluffdale.

www.onlyinyourstate.com

Praying for a solar flare...

 

[Batcat]

Up until he died 3 years ago Poppy Bush probably had more security clearance
than president Trump.

Yes, I can believe that.

Bush the elder was all for a Global Government.

George H.W. Bush And The New World Order

May our 41st President rest in peace, but what did he mean?

www.theodysseyonline.com

***snip***

Following the successful defeat of Iraqi forces in Kuwait, Bush made an important speech which would define U.S. foreign policy for the years to come. In that speech, he claimed that a "new world was coming into view," one that would define the way the globe worked. Bush called this the "New World Order." To some, this may seem like an ominous term associated with Illuminati conspiracy theories and hegemonic tendencies. However, Bush was pointing out the ability of the U.S. to spread new ideals across the globe.

At the point of this speech, the Soviet Union was clearly in disarray and on the brink of failure. The U.S. had successfully launched an international coalition and won the Cold War all in one! To Bush, this meant that the U.S. had not only an opportunity, but a duty to spread liberal ideals across the globe. He states in the speech: "there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a 'world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ...' A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations."

The New World Order was not about U.S. domination over the world. It was about instituting a liberal world order that would promote peace, unity, and morality. From Clinton to Obama, this view of foreign policy defined American Foreign policy. Today, many argue that Trump has decried this view and claim that Trump marks the end of this "New World Order." Whether or not the "New World Order" has been a successful foreign policy or the President has done away with it is certainly up for debate. However, it is important to understand where some of our foreign policy views come from.

The idea of this order is clearly based on the fundamental ideas of a liberal foreign policy. There is a clear goal of improving foreign cooperation and standing up for human rights (two pillars of classic liberal foreign policy). Furthermore, the idea of protecting the weak denotes the hawkish part of liberal foreign policy. Bush's rationale for going into Kuwait was because of liberal self-determination and the fact that a country has a right to its own sovereignty. Of course, there were ulterior policy goals involved, but this is the reasoning he used to support his arguments. To Bush, the world was now in the hands of the U.S. to shape, and the "New World Order" was his to define.…emphasis added

Trump set back Bush’s New World Order or Global Government by a decade which is one reason why the Swamp wanted to find some way to get rid of Trump and why today the democrats are trying their best to ruin this nation.