Zone1 What is Wrong with Inequality?

[Rawley]

Again you choose to live in a society that caters to the wealthy and does nothing for the people.

Really? The 60+% of the Federal budget that we spending Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Ins. ... is not for "the people?" It's for the "wealthy?" Really?

 

[rightwinger]

Really? The 60+% of the Federal budget that we spending Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Ins. ... is not for "the people?" It's for the "wealthy?" Really?

Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance are paid by workers and their employers

 

[Rawley]

Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance are paid by workers and their employers

LOL, You're kidding, right?

 

[rightwinger]

LOL, You're kidding, right?

Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance are paid by workers and their employers

 

[citygator]

Were you? I oppose the entire corrupt system of tax "incentives". I assume you just think they should use it differently... ie help some other, more deserving, interest group instead. I'm a misreading you?

I think there is a such thing as public policy that isn’t corrupt. Dependent tax deductions reward having kids for instance which is good policy. Oil subsidies are not good policy.

 

[AZrailwhale]

House prices are often more expensive because of THE LAND.

House prices have gone up because of various factors that have nothing to do with how much it cost to build.

That is due to demand. Excessive demand results in excessive pricing.

 

[Crepitus]

People who don't work don't pay taxes. Many low wage earners collect more in tax-funded benefits than they pay in taxes.

Anyone who pays for anything pays taxes.

 

[Crepitus]

Equity does not exist in natural law.

"natural law" is utter bullshit.

 

[Crepitus]

Nothing at all is wrong with inequality. And someone else being rich doesn't make me poor.

Most people think of wealth purely in terms of creature comforts. But that doesn't apply to extreme wealth. Above a certain threshold, additional wealth doesn't change a person's lifestyle much. That additional wealth is experienced as economic power. People with lots of wealth have more power to direct labor and resources. And the simple truth is, most people don't want that kind of power and responsibility - not enough to spend their lives pursuing it.

I see nothing inherently wrong with economic power being concentrated by people with the skill and the ambition to use it effectively. That's the whole point of capitalism really, to reward those who use wealth successfully with more wealth, so they can do more good things with it. And, on the flipside, to remove wealth from those who squander it.

Most of the complaints about wealth inequality are coming from people who want the government to have more power than rich people. But our country was designed to do the opposite - to keep most power in private hands and not under the direction of government.

But yes, sometimes it does.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Musk usually earns what misstate as “welfare” by providing services

Bringing the astronauts back from space for instance

But I believe that tax cut to wealthy ev buyers is a scam that benefits Tesla

The tax cut to EV owners was to promote EVs at the expense of internal combustion cars. No one was buying the EVs without the subsidies and THE GOVERNMENT decided that EVs were the path to the future, so it subsidized them.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Nothing makes people more poor than other poor people I guess. All the money is in the hands of the rich yet the righties in this thread have been duped into believing that all their money is in some gutter somewhere with a welfare queen watching TV. What a bunch of right wing dopes.

You on the left have been "duped" into believing that there is a finite amount of wealth and that if the rich have a lot of it that means there isn't any left over for everyone else! That's not the case. The amount of available wealth has no limit and wealthy people don't have a problem with other people becoming rich. They do however have a problem with Government seizing their wealth and they will always protect that capital by being one step ahead of those who want to take it. You're a dope if you think that they won't.

 

[Man With A Plan]

$10,000,000 but I can be convinced of a different amount.

How much of that do you think people should be given as a "living wage"?

 

[Mac-7]

The tax cut to EV owners was to promote EVs at the expense of internal combustion cars. No one was buying the EVs without the subsidies and THE GOVERNMENT decided that EVs were the path to the future, so it subsidized them.

Precisely

Stupid is as stupid does

 

[Man With A Plan]

What is worse is the conservative's demonize the left in America as bad people when their only crime is disagreeing with the right.

We point out that the left's policies hurt the very people that they are supposed to be helping and whenever we do so...your response is to label us as "Nazis" or some other ridiculous name! Then you whine about being "demonized"!

It's your AGENDA that is the "crime", Alang! People like the idiot now running for Mayor in New York will destroy that city. Not because they are bad people but because they are CLUELESS people! Bad policies. Really stupid policies. Policies that will bring even a great city like New York to it's knees!

 

[AZrailwhale]

Precisely

Stupid is as stupid does

That is why government at all levels should be kept small and starved of funds so it can't practice social engineering.

 

[dblack]

I think there is a such thing as public policy that isn’t corrupt. Dependent tax deductions reward having kids for instance which is good policy. Oil subsidies are not good policy.

That's what I figured. Once you start playing that game ... Well, some interest groups are more "interested" than others.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Starting life with $10,000,000 is a punishment I wish I would have gotten.

But you didn’t and so you want to prevent others from doing so. It none of your business and it’s wrong.

 

[OODA_Loop]

"natural law" is utter bullshit.

You can find the answer to most of life basic tenets by watching nature.

Natures laws are immutable.

 

[forkup]

You can find the answer to most of life basic tenets by watching nature.

Natures laws are immutable.

And yet humanity has decided to not follow those immutable natural laws by arranging themselves in immensely complex and interdependent societies. It is those societies not those "immutable natural laws" that has allowed us to have things like the internet, governments, cars, healthcare. All things that "nature" doesn't provide. It makes it possible for humans to live twice as long as nature typically gives us.

It is insane that you seem to use the unforgiving nature of nature to justify selfishness. Nor is it a new concept. Look up social Darwinism and the people who advocated it. I doubt you'll like the comparison.

 

[OODA_Loop]

And yet humanity has decided to not follow those immutable natural laws by arranging themselves in immensely complex and interdependent societies. It is those societies not those "immutable natural laws" that has allowed us to have things like the internet, governments, cars, healthcare. All things that "nature" doesn't provide. It makes it possible for humans to live twice as long as nature typically gives us.

It is insane that you seem to use the unforgiving nature of nature to justify selfishness. Nor is it a new concept. Look up social Darwinism and the people who advocated it. I doubt you'll like the comparison.

Did you miss the most of life’s basic tenets part of my post?