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Anti woke people base our impressions of blacks on what we have learned from too frequent experience.
Zone1 What is "woke?"
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TheProgressivePatriot
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I am willing to believe that your expeience with black people is a result of your blatant racism. They are not stupid as you would believe they are. They know what yu are.
TheProgressivePatriot
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Traditional moral values? Like racism ? Like lying to children about history? I suppose yu are right and we are proud
Kruska
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You are as wrong as one can be, - and obviously you have never been to Africa.
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I am one who evaluates blacks and whites using the same criteria of excellence. I have known blacks who were more admirable than most of the whites I have known. Unfortunately, they did not characterize their race.
Doubtful.
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An honest history of blacks would require students to read Professor J. Philippe Rushton's essay, "Race, Evolution, and Behavior."
Race, Evolution, and Behavior:
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anti-woke = independent thinking
anti-woke = not trying to suppress the opinions of others
anti-woke = not being a sanctimonious virtue signaler
anti-woke = expecting blacks to behave like civilized human beings
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TheProgressivePatriot
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As previously documented “woke” became a political football in 2014 following the death of Michael Brom at the hands of police. It was brought to prominence by black people. As I previously documented:
In 1971, the phrase was used in a play by American playwright Barry Beckham titled Garvey Lives!, in which he wrote: “I been sleeping all my life. And now that Mr Garvey done woke me up, I’m gon’ stay woke. And I’m gon’ help him wake up other black folk.”
It also entered popular culture thanks to singer Erykah Badu, who used the phrase “I stay woke” in her 2008 song Master Teacher. David Stovall, a professor of African-American studies at the University of Illinois, Chicago, told the New York Times that Ms. Badu’s use of the phrase meant “not being placated, not being anaesthetized”.
There are those who have charged that it has been coopted or culturally appropriated by while people who expanded it’s usage to other forms of social injustice and oppression. But those others issues- gender discrimination and transgender issues. sexuality, economic disparity effect people of all races.
The bottom line is that the woke vs anti woke divide is not along racial or ethnic lines but rather reflects the difference between those who seek truth and enlightenment and those who fear it. Of course those who fear it will not admit to fear, When it comes to a full and truthful account of the dark underbelly of American history, they justify the glaring omissions as being anti American. My OPINION about that is that it is anti American to turn a blind eye to history rather than take the opportunity to learn from it, no matter how uncomfortable that might make some people feel. My OPINION is that we must we must confront the past so that we can learn to do better going forward. Those who rail against woke OPINE that such teachings divide the races and instill guilt and self loathing in white people. But those are just OPINIONs.
Having said that, the FACT is that to ignore, or worse deny history is to embrace the darkness of ignorance. The same can be said of many other issues that have come to be caught up in the debate about wokeness. Gender and sexuality are hot button issues today. Transsexuality especially sits upon a major cultural fault line. There is no dearth of OPINIONS on all sides about why people are trans and how to address the issue ; medically, legally, socially or psychologically . But the fact is that those who invoke the evils of woke in order to disparage trans people ignore the facts of science, once again embracing ignorance. They are quick to invoke the mantra of “there are only two genders” and call trans advocates “anti science while ignoring and denying the clear scientific evidence that not everyone is clearly male or female, and that many transgender people may have been misgendered at birth. Once again they embrace ignorance and darkness.
On issue after issue, the anti woke mob repeatedly use equivocations to blur the lines between opinion and fact in an attempt to paint their opponents' as the ones who are out of touch with reality. And it is no small matter that those who rail against “woke” are consistently on the side of reactionary politics, promoting inequality and oppression. They know that truth and awarness..that which wokeness promotes is their enemy. In the face of such truth, they have nothing to stand on
Woke is awareness
Woke is knowledge
Woke is compassion
Woke is empathy
Woke is open minded
To oppose wokeness is to proclaim a commitment bigotry, lies and to repeating past mistakes and crimes against humanity. That is a fact that cannot be denied. The anti-woke mob does not even try to deny it. They are proud of it
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Woke people fear the truth about the relationship between gene alleles, intelligence, crime, and race. That is why they try to keep people like Charles Murray and Jared Taylor from speaking on campus, and why they tried to get Professor's Arthur Jensen, Richard Herrnstein, and J. Philippe Rushton fired from their academic positions.
Non woke people welcome the dialogue on race President Clinton called for in 1999, and which we badly need to have, rather than the existing monologue. In an honest dialogue on race it will be safe to draw attention to the facts that blacks tend to be less intelligent than whites, and that they have higher rates of illegitimacy, and much higher crime rates. It will be safe to draw attention to the discovery of gene alleles that are responsible for these average differences.
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We do not fear the truth. What you off is not truth. It is lies and we push back.
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It is one of several names we use to ridicule stupid uneducated confused Moon Bats.[If only you had looked up the meaning of the word rather than giving your opinion about it. Discuss the Meaning of it, not what it appears to be]
KPBS: What’s the origin of the word “woke?” When did it first start getting used?
Damariyé L. Smith: So there's a lot of things in language that have the same meaning, but just have a different terminology. I would argue that woke really starts around the early 1960s and '70s with the Black Power movement and civil rights issues of the time. It wasn't just called woke, it was called consciousness. And so consciousness or this idea of staying woke was about Black people, in particular, thinking about and questioning what are the ways in which our government is not necessarily protecting us as citizens, not just in the South, but everywhere.
How does the term “woke” go from being a term that really refers to consciousness and systemic thinking in Black activist circles in the 1960s, when do we start to hear the term more again in the 21st century?
Somewhere around 2012 and 2014 we started seeing stuff about “staying woke” because again, at this time, you have cell phone videos of people capturing police brutality. I would say around 2013 is when you kind of really start seeing that term being used more especially under the umbrella of Black Lives Matter. When social media becomes bigger and bigger and bigger, people start to pay more attention to it.
When does the word “woke” become more mainstream with more white people using it? And does that change the significance?
I would argue that a lot of white people started catching on after 2014 or 2015. Now at this time, we are getting near the end of this artificial post-racial idea, Obama is headed out of office and I think people are starting to come to grips that this President who a lot of people favored is no longer going to be there. And you also have the rise of somebody like Donald Trump. And so I know for sure in the academic community, this whole idea of woke starts to manifest. And then at that point, I'm not saying it starts in the academic community, but because people trust a lot of the leaders and thinkers there, and not just the people who write the papers, but also even public intellectuals. From there, you start having a lot of other white folks that's coming on the "everyday white folks," as I would say, and they start using the terminology like, “I'm woke, I'm white, but I'm woke.” You know what I mean?
Does using it that way change the meaning of woke?
It definitely changes the significance because those folks who will say, "I'm woke,” particularly in public situations, are still the kind of people that will walk by Black people and not speak to them or say hello or anything like that. And so it starts to change its meaning because you see that in order for you to really understand what being woke is, you have to give up something. And for a lot of people, that's where it becomes hard. It's easy to put a hashtag. It's easy to post something on social media. But when you actually have to do something in actual practice, like, for example, changing your whole course content as a teacher because you want to be more inclusive. That's a very hard and risky place to be. I would argue that's definitely when it has again changed format because people can look at George Floyd, but they won't look at the everyday Black person and understand that they may not have been killed, but the harassment and all that kind of stuff continues to exist.
Mike Milton, our question asker, said he hears the word “woke” a lot on Fox News and other conservative media outlets. How did “woke” become something used to remind people to think critically about the way it’s being used now?
All words can be weaponized. The problem when you hear “woke” today, at least on Fox News, they see it as some kind of socialist agenda, at least that’s their perspective. And so, anything they deem incorrect is considered woke. When you say somebody is “woke” and you are just using it as a weapon, you’re not really taking into consideration this person’s expertise and knowledge of a particular issue.
Do you think people should stop using “woke?” Does it matter?
I don’t think it matters anymore. I think the best thing we can always do is take people to task on whatever their political positions. I understand that words change meaning over time, because all words are created from a particular cultural context. You can keep using the word, but whatever your political position that’s attached to this idea of “woke” or this woke ideology, are you able to sufficiently articulate about whatever your political stances are? Because that’s what matters. Demonstrate that you have some understanding because in my world, you can’t just put anything out there without actually going through deductive and inductive reasoning to really articulate and prove a point.
(full article online)
Let’s talk about it: What does 'woke' actually mean?
This is the first in a new KPBS series in which local experts answer audience questions about race and equity.www.kpbs.org
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You do not push back with facts and insights, but with the ability to silence those you disagree with.
Interesting about the connection between cooler climates and higher IQ. I’ve long noticed that the countries straddling the equator tend to be less advanced.
I hate to say it, but that has become the M.O. for far too many Democrats: they try to silence you with insults, the most common one being “raaaaacist!”
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Republicans use the word "Marxist" in much the same way. Nevertheless, I acknowledge that conservatives do not try to suppress the discussion of global warming. Progressives do try to suppress the discussion of black social pathology, and the importance of IQ differences.
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