What is the solution? Or at least what action should be taken?

[Brain357]

Did I say I was rejecting regulating guns? No. It is the wholesale ban on guns that I am rejecting.

Guns are already regulated....you know as a gun owner that these rifles used are not different from any other rifle ..... they are not military weapons.....or weapons of war...

A shooter in Russia used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 20 people..the same as El Paso, and injure 40....more than El Paso......

So if you think they will stop at just regulating scary looking rifles, that is just silly....

We have background checks...mass shooters can pass background checks because they have clean records......they will pass any universal background check for a private sale.....but most buy their guns legally from stores...

There are no further regulations that will stop this...this is a mental health, and police intelligence issue....

We sure see the results of easy access to mass killing weapons.

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

250,000 people/year die from medical malpractice. Where are your calls to ban doctors?

And how many would die if we banned doctors?

 

[elektra]

Just checked and countries with strong gun control aren't regularly suffering from mass shootings. I wonder why....

Which countries did you just check?

 

[satrebil]

Guns are already regulated....you know as a gun owner that these rifles used are not different from any other rifle ..... they are not military weapons.....or weapons of war...

A shooter in Russia used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 20 people..the same as El Paso, and injure 40....more than El Paso......

So if you think they will stop at just regulating scary looking rifles, that is just silly....

We have background checks...mass shooters can pass background checks because they have clean records......they will pass any universal background check for a private sale.....but most buy their guns legally from stores...

There are no further regulations that will stop this...this is a mental health, and police intelligence issue....

We sure see the results of easy access to mass killing weapons.

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

250,000 people/year die from medical malpractice. Where are your calls to ban doctors?

And how many would die if we banned doctors?

Nice deflection.

Admit it - you have no interest in preventing death, you're just an ideologue.

 

[RealDave]

Meanwhile in countries with strong gun control they don't have this problem....

Are those countries really free?

Yes and they have homicide rates a fraction of ours. How much value do you put on the freedom to quickly become a mass killer?

1.1 million Americans who use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder would say you are wrong....

1,100,000 vs. 12 mass public shootings

Can you tell which number is bigger?

More dishonesty. Or maybe it is just stupidity.

 

[pismoe]

Since you are rejecting regulating guns, then apparently the solution is to defeat your party.

Did I say I was rejecting regulating guns? No. It is the wholesale ban on guns that I am rejecting.

Guns are already regulated....you know as a gun owner that these rifles used are not different from any other rifle ..... they are not military weapons.....or weapons of war...

A shooter in Russia used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 20 people..the same as El Paso, and injure 40....more than El Paso......

So if you think they will stop at just regulating scary looking rifles, that is just silly....

We have background checks...mass shooters can pass background checks because they have clean records......they will pass any universal background check for a private sale.....but most buy their guns legally from stores...

There are no further regulations that will stop this...this is a mental health, and police intelligence issue....

We sure see the results of easy access to mass killing weapons.

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

------------------------------------ its YOU that is the TROLL Brian . I suggest that you do some reading on the purpose of having the Second Amendment in the USA Bill of RIGHTS Brian .

 

[danielpalos]

Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and regulate them well!

 

[captkaos]

I am not looking for "We needs armed good guys!" or "Ban all privately owned guns!".

I am looking for actual, workable things that can be done to prevent the kinds of tragedies we have seen in the last week.

For conservatives, the time for Thoughts & Prayers is over. If you won't come up with solutions, someone else will. If the population is afraid, they will surrender their freedoms for a sense of safety. You have to do something.

For liberals, the knee-jerk reaction of banning guns is not a viable answer. **** party lines. This is about a balance of safety and individual freedom (especially the freedom to defend ourselves).


So what are the answer(s)?

Since you are rejecting regulating guns, then apparently the solution is to defeat your party.

hes a libertarian,,,

Mostly, you are correct. But if you think calling out political parties is going to do anything to help this problem, you are an idiot.

first step to solve any problem is to first admit it,,,

and at least I can do that,,,so far its more than you have,,,

Law Abiding citizens who have no intent or plan to harm anyone with the firearms they own should ever be the target of any law restricting their ownership or requiring they notify the govt. of their location. If a gun is used illegally the penalty should be swift and unbending in it's severity. Possession of a firearm during commission of violent crime or discharging a firearm during the commission of a crime of any kind, 20 yrs no parole options. Cause physical injury no matter how slight or peripheral! Life in prison no parole option. Cause a death! Well you already know my answer don't you!

 

[Brain357]

Just checked and countries with strong gun control aren't regularly suffering from mass shootings. I wonder why....

Which countries did you just check?

Germany, Japan, UK, France, Denmark, Italy....

 

[Brain357]

We sure see the results of easy access to mass killing weapons.

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

250,000 people/year die from medical malpractice. Where are your calls to ban doctors?

And how many would die if we banned doctors?

Nice deflection.

Admit it - you have no interest in preventing death, you're just an ideologue.

Deflection? It's a pretty important fact. Many more would die in an absence of doctors. Now who dies in an absence of guns? Hundreds of lives are saved just from accidental death alone.

 

[Brain357]

Did I say I was rejecting regulating guns? No. It is the wholesale ban on guns that I am rejecting.

Guns are already regulated....you know as a gun owner that these rifles used are not different from any other rifle ..... they are not military weapons.....or weapons of war...

A shooter in Russia used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 20 people..the same as El Paso, and injure 40....more than El Paso......

So if you think they will stop at just regulating scary looking rifles, that is just silly....

We have background checks...mass shooters can pass background checks because they have clean records......they will pass any universal background check for a private sale.....but most buy their guns legally from stores...

There are no further regulations that will stop this...this is a mental health, and police intelligence issue....

We sure see the results of easy access to mass killing weapons.

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

------------------------------------ its YOU that is the TROLL Brian . I suggest that you do some reading on the purpose of having the Second Amendment in the USA Bill of RIGHTS Brian .

Oh right. You need your gun courage and you don't care how many children have to die to keep it. Always a hero you are.

 

[2aguy]

Meanwhile in countries with strong gun control they don't have this problem....

Are those countries really free?

Yes and they have homicide rates a fraction of ours. How much value do you put on the freedom to quickly become a mass killer?

1.1 million Americans who use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder would say you are wrong....

1,100,000 vs. 12 mass public shootings

Can you tell which number is bigger?

More dishonesty. Or maybe it is just stupidity.

What part of that post is dishonest....

1.1 million Americans use guns for self defense......from the Centers for Disease Control...you know, the Gov. agency you twits want to investigate gun issues...

12 mass public shootings data from Mother Jones.....anti gun, left wing site......

 

[2aguy]

Guns are already regulated....you know as a gun owner that these rifles used are not different from any other rifle ..... they are not military weapons.....or weapons of war...

A shooter in Russia used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 20 people..the same as El Paso, and injure 40....more than El Paso......

So if you think they will stop at just regulating scary looking rifles, that is just silly....

We have background checks...mass shooters can pass background checks because they have clean records......they will pass any universal background check for a private sale.....but most buy their guns legally from stores...

There are no further regulations that will stop this...this is a mental health, and police intelligence issue....

We sure see the results of easy access to mass killing weapons.

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

------------------------------------ its YOU that is the TROLL Brian . I suggest that you do some reading on the purpose of having the Second Amendment in the USA Bill of RIGHTS Brian .

Oh right. You need your gun courage and you don't care how many children have to die to keep it. Always a hero you are.

They could have used guns at that Walmart, at Gilroy and in Ohio.....they didn't have them and had to wait for the police to get there 6 minutes late......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[Brain357]

Meanwhile in countries with strong gun control they don't have this problem....

Are those countries really free?

Yes and they have homicide rates a fraction of ours. How much value do you put on the freedom to quickly become a mass killer?

1.1 million Americans who use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder would say you are wrong....

1,100,000 vs. 12 mass public shootings

Can you tell which number is bigger?

More dishonesty. Or maybe it is just stupidity.

What part of that post is dishonest....

1.1 million Americans use guns for self defense......from the Centers for Disease Control...you know, the Gov. agency you twits want to investigate gun issues...

12 mass public shootings data from Mother Jones.....anti gun, left wing site......

Well the main dishonest part is that the CDC never did a study. So yeah you are completely full of shit. And of course based on how many violent crimes we have each year you are claiming almost 100% are defended. So your number is imaginary in so many ways.

 

[satrebil]

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

250,000 people/year die from medical malpractice. Where are your calls to ban doctors?

And how many would die if we banned doctors?

Nice deflection.

Admit it - you have no interest in preventing death, you're just an ideologue.

Deflection? It's a pretty important fact. Many more would die in an absence of doctors. Now who dies in an absence of guns? Hundreds of lives are saved just from accidental death alone.

The same argument could be made about cars, brainlet. Try harder.

 

[RealDave]

Ban Assault type rifles, semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines. For current owners, make it illegal to carry one off one's property or sell it.

Ban large capacity magazines.

Put a gag on Trump.

Give Republicans a back bone

Pass the Democrat bills that passed the House. These look at mental aspects.

 

[2aguy]

Are those countries really free?

Yes and they have homicide rates a fraction of ours. How much value do you put on the freedom to quickly become a mass killer?

1.1 million Americans who use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder would say you are wrong....

1,100,000 vs. 12 mass public shootings

Can you tell which number is bigger?

More dishonesty. Or maybe it is just stupidity.

What part of that post is dishonest....

1.1 million Americans use guns for self defense......from the Centers for Disease Control...you know, the Gov. agency you twits want to investigate gun issues...

12 mass public shootings data from Mother Jones.....anti gun, left wing site......

Well the main dishonest part is that the CDC never did a study. So yeah you are completely full of shit. And of course based on how many violent crimes we have each year you are claiming almost 100% are defended. So your number is imaginary in so many ways.

Yes.....they did, they did the research and after the numbers came back, they didn't put them out in public......

 

[Brain357]

We sure see the results of easy access to mass killing weapons.

93 people killed by mass shooters in 2018....

38,000 by car,

1,500 by knife

3,500 by pool

Yeah......you are a troll.....

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

------------------------------------ its YOU that is the TROLL Brian . I suggest that you do some reading on the purpose of having the Second Amendment in the USA Bill of RIGHTS Brian .

Oh right. You need your gun courage and you don't care how many children have to die to keep it. Always a hero you are.

They could have used guns at that Walmart, at Gilroy and in Ohio.....they didn't have them and had to wait for the police to get there 6 minutes late......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

They sure were successful in TX this week.

 

[Brain357]

Yes and they have homicide rates a fraction of ours. How much value do you put on the freedom to quickly become a mass killer?

1.1 million Americans who use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder would say you are wrong....

1,100,000 vs. 12 mass public shootings

Can you tell which number is bigger?

More dishonesty. Or maybe it is just stupidity.

What part of that post is dishonest....

1.1 million Americans use guns for self defense......from the Centers for Disease Control...you know, the Gov. agency you twits want to investigate gun issues...

12 mass public shootings data from Mother Jones.....anti gun, left wing site......

Well the main dishonest part is that the CDC never did a study. So yeah you are completely full of shit. And of course based on how many violent crimes we have each year you are claiming almost 100% are defended. So your number is imaginary in so many ways.

Yes.....they did, they did the research and after the numbers came back, they didn't put them out in public......

Please link to the CDC website and share your imaginary study.

 

[RealDave]

You sure love death. If there is a way to kill people you want it readily available.

250,000 people/year die from medical malpractice. Where are your calls to ban doctors?

And how many would die if we banned doctors?

Nice deflection.

Admit it - you have no interest in preventing death, you're just an ideologue.

Deflection? It's a pretty important fact. Many more would die in an absence of doctors. Now who dies in an absence of guns? Hundreds of lives are saved just from accidental death alone.

The same argument could be made about cars, brainlet. Try harder.

When was rthe last time your AK-47 took you to work or to school.

 

[2aguy]

Ban Assault type rifles, semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines. For current owners, make it illegal to carry one off one's property or sell it.

Ban large capacity magazines.

Put a gag on Trump.

Give Republicans a back bone

Pass the Democrat bills that passed the House. These look at mental aspects.

Over 18 million of these rifles in private hands.......3 used to kill people..... you are irrational and fairly stupid too...

Gilroy, 3 killed.

Ohio 9 killed...

El Paso, 20 killed..

Russia Polytechnic School shooting..... 5 shot, pump action shot gun....20 killed 40 injured

Virginia Tech, 32 killed 2 pistols

Luby's Cafe 24 killed, 2 pistols...

You don't know what you are talking about.