What is the legality of Trump's National Guard actions?

[Rigby5]

They are here illegally and they are throwing rocks and objects at police.

Hence...there is an armed invasion.

Most of the rioters are citizens.
Rocks are not considered deadly weapons.
The rioters are within their rights to arrest ICE because ICE is not following the due process the law requires.
The rioters are the natives.
Those of European descent are the "armed invasion".

 

[Rigby5]

Newsom doesn't care about the safety of the citizens of his state for political reasons. So Trump has to step in and take care of it.

Not within presidential authority.

 

[excalibur]

Wrong.
ICE is not legal.
Not only is ICE in violation of the law by not getting court warrants before raids, arrests, and deportations, but ICE is in violation of the treaties under which a third of the US was purchased from Mexico.
ICE is also violating the rights of people who sound or appear to be immigrants, like native Americans.

Nope.

 

[Rigby5]

When rioters are waving the flags of other countries, that stops being a domestic matter and becomes an invasion. So yeah, call out the army, navy, air force AND especially marines to stop that shit.

Oh and don't forget the coast guard!

Wrong.
Flags are not deadly weapons, so changes nothing.

 

[JohnDB]

Here are the thoughts of a former Federal prosecutor on the legal issues with Trump's actions in Los Angeles. Will Trump next turn his ICE thugs loose on the protests on June 14? And then claim he has to invoke Martial Law because of the reaction in most major cities in the US? Are you Trumpanzees going to support this move from Trump to become the first dictator to rule the US?

YES

 

[Rigby5]

Several Presidents have used it, including when Biden was installed at his “inauguration”. It's totally legal, no matter how much it hurts your feelings.

Martial law can be legal, but only when justified.
But Biden did NOT authorize martial law.
{...
An updated U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) directive does not authorize federal troops to use lethal force against citizens, contrary to social media posts misrepresenting the revision ahead of the 2024 U.S. presidential election.
Under the Posse Comitatus Act, opens new tab, it is illegal for military personnel to use force against people in the United States, unless for self-defense where authorized by Congress.
...
DOD Directive 5240.01, opens new tab was reissued on Sept. 27 as a routine measure to clarify approval authorities for intelligence activities, Gough said in an email.
“The policies concerning the use of force by DOD addressed in DoDD 5240.01 are not new, and do not authorize the DOD to use lethal force against U.S. citizens or people located inside the United States, contrary to rumors and rhetoric circulating on social media,” she said.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...lethal-military-force-us-citizens-2024-10-31/
...}

 

[Mac-7]

Rocks are not considered deadly weapons.

If that is your only defense you will spend many years in jail after killing someone

 

[Rigby5]

What is the legality of people coming here illegally? What is the legality of trying to stop the federal government from enforcing it's laws? What is the legality of rioting, the destruction of property, and assaulting law enforcement officers?​

The natives have the pre-existing right to be here.
All western hemisphere natives have ancestors who lived in the US for thousands of years.

Crossing border in order for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is a basic human right.
There is no legal basis for preventing immigration.
That is why there were no immigration laws for the first 100 years or more.
ICE is illegally raiding, arresting, and deporting without judicial due process, so makes rioting perfectly valid and justified.

 

[Rigby5]

This is definitely legal. I wish people would stop using the term “insurrection”. This is clearly domestic violence and safety and welfare of US Citizens are at stake. The problem is that the far Left view this as “peaceful protest”. This is the same mindset that equated vandalizing the US Capitol with insurrection.

Wrong.
The capital protest was legal.
I do not agree with it, but the people had a right to be heard.

This protest is justified in being violent because ICE is a clear and present danger, in violation of due process laws.
ICE is the biggest threat this country ever faced.

 

[Failzero]

Wrong.
Not only do ICE employees tend to be racist and thing all natives look alike, but there are thousands of them and impossible for them to be able to identify anyone.

Black & Hispanic & Asian American ICE employees are Racis ???

 

[theHawk]

Martial law can be legal, but only when justified.
But Biden did NOT authorize martial law.
{...
An updated U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) directive does not authorize federal troops to use lethal force against citizens, contrary to social media posts misrepresenting the revision ahead of the 2024 U.S. presidential election.
Under the Posse Comitatus Act, opens new tab, it is illegal for military personnel to use force against people in the United States, unless for self-defense where authorized by Congress.
...
DOD Directive 5240.01, opens new tab was reissued on Sept. 27 as a routine measure to clarify approval authorities for intelligence activities, Gough said in an email.
“The policies concerning the use of force by DOD addressed in DoDD 5240.01 are not new, and do not authorize the DOD to use lethal force against U.S. citizens or people located inside the United States, contrary to rumors and rhetoric circulating on social media,” she said.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...lethal-military-force-us-citizens-2024-10-31/
...}

Martial law has nothing to do with it.

 

[Rigby5]

You have it backwards, Old Cocks.......ICE is the lawful agency sent to remove the illegal aliens and deal with the actual thugs.

Wrong.
They could be useful if they followed judicial due process.
But since they don't, they are criminals destroying the Bill of Rights.

 

[Independent thinker]

The natives have the pre-existing right to be here.
All western hemisphere natives have ancestors who lived in the US for thousands of years.

Crossing border in order for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is a basic human right.
There is no legal basis for preventing immigration.
That is why there were no immigration laws for the first 100 years or more.
ICE is illegally raiding, arresting, and deporting without judicial due process, so makes rioting perfectly valid and justified.

Illegals are due no judicial process because they shouldn't be here in the first place. They are not due by the US of the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are only due what their home countries say they are due.

 

[22lcidw]

Wrong.
Flags are not deadly weapons, so changes nothing.

It shows an invasion. This is what happens in war. These people are insurrectionists.

 

[Rigby5]

Agreed. the only one you could call an insurrection is CHAZ/CHOP when they actually took over a parcel of land and stopped the lawful government from entering the area.

Wrong.
You are under the false impression governments have authority.
They don't.
They are subordinates who only borrow legal authority from those they protect.
When they protect no one, they have no authority at all, in any way.
And that is the problem of ICE.
They protect no one, and are violating the rights of native Americans who were here first.

 

[BackAgain]

What would it matter if it was over something criminal or civil?
The point is you can't cause any harm without a hearing.
Even a $5 parking ticket requires a hearing.

I have tried innumerable times to educate dumb asses like you. But you’re impervious to facts, reason, logic and truth

All due process questions involve a very basic question: what process is due?

You make broad ignorant claims. You’re damn light on supporting you shit.

 

[BackAgain]

Wrong.
You are under the false impression governments have authority.
They don't.
They are subordinates who only borrow legal authority from those they protect.
When they protect no one, they have no authority at all, in any way.
And that is the problem of ICE.
They protect no one, and are violating the rights of native Americans who were here first.

Your ignorance is astounding. Also, it is funny AF.

 

[Rigby5]

If that is your only defense you will spend many years in jail after killing someone

ICE agents in violation of judicial due process, are armed in the commission of a felony and can justifiable be met with deadly force.

 

[Concerned American]

Here are the thoughts of a former Federal prosecutor on the legal issues with Trump's actions in Los Angeles. Will Trump next turn his ICE thugs loose on the protests on June 14? And then claim he has to invoke Martial Law because of the reaction in most major cities in the US? Are you Trumpanzees going to support this move from Trump to become the first dictator to rule the US?

Timing is perfect. LA seems to be the epicenter of the democrat's summer of love 2020 replay. The BS and gaslighting isn't going to work and the democrat illegal invasion of the last four years is being reversed. Try again, insurrectionist.

 

[BackAgain]

ICE agents in violation of judicial due process, are armed in the commission of a felony and can justifiable be met with deadly force.

My just wrong but dangerously and very stupidly wrong.

It also borders on the rendering of legal advice without a license.

Stay in your lane. Sadly, not everyone is aware of how appallingly ignorant and dishonest you are.