What is the Crime???

meaner gene said:
That's what Nostra says, before I post an authoritative citation, which he either ignores or runs away from.

Are you going to stick around for the citation?
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I waited more than an hour and a half. I have to think you're pranking me.

If not post it and I'll get to it later.
 
Seymour Flops said:
OK, I’ve been waiting more than an hour. There’s a time limit here.
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Seymour Flops said:
I waited more than an hour and a half. I have to think you're pranking me.

If not post it and I'll get to it later.
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In 2022, the Trump Organization was convicted of tax fraud and fined $1.6 million in an unrelated criminal case for helping executives dodge taxes on extravagant perks such as Manhattan apartments and luxury cars.


The Trump Organization has been ordered to pay $1.61 million for tax fraud



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Judge imposes $364 million penalty in Trump's New York civil fraud case

Trump won’t have to pay out the money immediately as an appeals process plays out, but the verdict still is a stunning setback for the former president.
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francoHFW said:
You've lost your marbles, brainwashed functional moron ignoramus seditionist Russian tool conspiracy nut job. Poor America....
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It's a POS Trump decision
Rambunctious said:
There are two lawyers on the jury they surely must see there is no crime... so maybe a hung jury... but I sure don't see a guilty verdict....
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Dems don't want him in prison, just losing... poor America, brainwashed functional moron ignoramus seditionist Russian tool conspiracy nut job.....he lied about his investment to law enforcement duhhhhh
 
meaner gene said:
In 2022, the Trump Organization was convicted of tax fraud and fined $1.6 million in an unrelated criminal case for helping executives dodge taxes on extravagant perks such as Manhattan apartments and luxury cars.


The Trump Organization has been ordered to pay $1.61 million for tax fraud



www.pbs.org

Judge imposes $364 million penalty in Trump's New York civil fraud case

Trump won’t have to pay out the money immediately as an appeals process plays out, but the verdict still is a stunning setback for the former president.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
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Alright, thanks for sourcing it. I mean the following as respectful debate, but I realize the tone may come across snarky (snarkily?).

Let's see how well your source supports your assertion:

meaner gene said:
Trump also fraudulently avoid millions upon millions in taxes.
What you miss is that to decrease his taxes, Trump falsified business records to support his fraudulent deductions.

Who knows. Over Trumps lifetime that might cover to $1 billion he cheated from the taxpayers, what us little guys had to pay in his stead.
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From your link:

The sentence comes after a Manhattan jury found Donald Trump's family enterprise guilty of all charges last month in a long-running tax-fraud scheme.

Trump himself was not charged, though his name was mentioned frequently at trial, and his signature appeared on some of the documents at the heart of the case.

Earlier this week, the long-time chief financial officer to Trump's various business entities, Allen Weisselberg, was sentenced to five months behind bars for his role in the criminal scheme.

Conflating Trump employees with Trump personally is at the root of most of these allegations of criminal activity by Trump.

If Trump had falsified documents, he would have been charged along with Allen Weisselberg. Or maybe, this is more true than you want to believe:

Kimberly Benza, a spokeswoman for the Trump Organization, issued a statement describing the prosecution as political and saying the company plans to appeal.

"New York has become the crime and murder capital of the world, yet these politically motivated prosecutors will stop at nothing to get President Trump and continue the never ending witch-hunt which began the day he announced his presidency," the statement read.

We know there has been a witch-hunt. I can't say for sure that this particular investigation was part of that, or if the company actually avoided taxes in ways that were unlawful.

Either way, it wouldn't lower my opinion of Trump. He makes as much money as he can, and hires people to keep the government from stealing it all. Based on what I'm seeing with the Cohen Trial farce, if they locked the CFO of Trump's companies up, likely it was to force him to testify falsely against Trump.

This statement:

$1 billion he cheated from the taxpayers, what us little guys had to pay in his stead.
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Is a little juvenile. It sounds like something you would hear at the union hall from a union leader who pays himself six figures from the dues that he collects from men who work for their livings and are threatened if they don't join.

The government takes as much money as it can from everyone it can. The rich pay huge amounts of taxes, Donald Trump included.

The government gets a larger percent of the middle-class person's money, but that's because wealthy men like Trump are way smarter than and can certainly hire smarter people than, the Affirmative Action and Neptotism hires that try to force them to pay.

Trump openly admits that the reason he knows that the system is rigged is that he has taken advantage of the rigging all of his life.

But . . . he had policies designed to make life better for ordinary Americans. Meanwhile Biden pretends not to be the most corrupt president in history and has policies that make Average Americans miserable.

An easy choice for me.
 
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meaner gene said:
In 2022, the Trump Organization was convicted of tax fraud and fined $1.6 million in an unrelated criminal case for helping executives dodge taxes on extravagant perks such as Manhattan apartments and luxury cars.


The Trump Organization has been ordered to pay $1.61 million for tax fraud



www.pbs.org

Judge imposes $364 million penalty in Trump's New York civil fraud case

Trump won’t have to pay out the money immediately as an appeals process plays out, but the verdict still is a stunning setback for the former president.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
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2022 lol! More BS and harrassment.
 
Winco said:
You have a Policy or Not? SweetSue92
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You're not too bright, huh?

Tax cuts and regulatory cuts, which kickstarted a boost in the economy, which Biden of course promptly shut down. That's just for starters.

And the Supreme Court.

Now, predictably, it's late, you're drunk, and you'll take potshots at my job
 
Rambunctious said:
What did Trump do to warrant a jury trial that is costing New Yorkers millions at a time NY can't afford to spend it.... If people are asking today... what is the crime... and the defendant is a former US president for Gods sake....
This is going to do real harm to the democrat party....

Now if you would like to try and tell us what the CRIME is please use this thread...
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Trump has broken so many laws we've lost track

On February 20, 2026, the Supreme Court ruled in Learning Resources Inc. v. Trump that sweeping tariffs imposed by President Trump under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) were illegal
 
sealybobo said:
Trump has broken so many laws we've lost track

On February 20, 2026, the Supreme Court ruled in Learning Resources Inc. v. Trump that sweeping tariffs imposed by President Trump under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) were illegal
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Then Biden's sweeping tariffs were also illegal.
 
rightwinger said:
Biden worked at economic alliances not trade wars against the rest of the world
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Wow, so Biden told you that nonsense?

Trump has leveled the playing field.


Hey, see how you work? Making false claims about Biden.

On Tuesday, President Joe Biden announced new tariffs on $18 billion worth of imports from China, including electric vehicles, semiconductors, solar cells and critical minerals. Now, if this sounds a little familiar to you, you’re correct.

The Donald Trump administration spent years slapping tariffs on Chinese goods, using a lot of the same arguments the Biden administration is now making: that China’s trade policies are unfair, that the country is boosting its growth at the expense of others, that these tariffs are necessary to protect American industry and jobs.

Putting on tariffs is like rooting for the home team. That was true for Trump and now for Biden.

“Tariffs at a basic level are a disincentive to import. And where do you get stuff if you’re not importing? You buy domestically,” said Robert Johnson, an economics professor at the University of Notre Dame.

He said Biden is actually building on what Trump has already done.

“Meaning that there were about $300 billion worth of tariffs introduced under the Trump administration. Most of those have been left in place after a four-year review of that policy,” Johnson said.

But there are differences. The Trump administration slapped tariffs on a wide range of goods, using a wide range of justifications, said Mary Lovely at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

“Sometimes they were justified as a way to reduce the bilateral trade deficit. At other times it was retaliation for China’s unfair trade practices,” she said.

Trump also targeted Canada, Europe and other American allies. But Biden’s tariffs on Chinese imports are much more narrowly tailored — specifically toward the industries the administration’s been trying to promote with other legislation.

“The work that was done through the Inflation Reduction Act to support U.S. electric vehicle manufacturing, batteries, critical minerals,” Lovely said.

Biden’s tariffs might be more targeted, but they’re also a lot higher. Rachel Brewster, a professor at Duke Law School, said the Trump administration set tariffs in the 10% to 25% range.

“What they were trying to do is say to the Chinese government, ‘We’re flexing our muscles. We’re hurting you. And so you need to talk to us,’” Brewster said.

But the Biden administration has raised certain tariffs a lot more. Semiconductors and solar cells will face a 50% levy. And tariffs on electric vehicles will rise to 100%.

“Once you hit 100%, you could make the tariff a thousand percent. Ten thousand percent. A million percent,” she said. “You know, it’s like no goods are getting in.”

A tariff that high is effectively a ban on Chinese EVs, Brewster added.
 
Robert W said:
Wow, so Biden told you that nonsense?

Trump has leveled the playing field.


Hey, see how you work? Making false claims about Biden.

On Tuesday, President Joe Biden announced new tariffs on $18 billion worth of imports from China, including electric vehicles, semiconductors, solar cells and critical minerals. Now, if this sounds a little familiar to you, you’re correct.

The Donald Trump administration spent years slapping tariffs on Chinese goods, using a lot of the same arguments the Biden administration is now making: that China’s trade policies are unfair, that the country is boosting its growth at the expense of others, that these tariffs are necessary to protect American industry and jobs.

Putting on tariffs is like rooting for the home team. That was true for Trump and now for Biden.

“Tariffs at a basic level are a disincentive to import. And where do you get stuff if you’re not importing? You buy domestically,” said Robert Johnson, an economics professor at the University of Notre Dame.

He said Biden is actually building on what Trump has already done.

“Meaning that there were about $300 billion worth of tariffs introduced under the Trump administration. Most of those have been left in place after a four-year review of that policy,” Johnson said.

But there are differences. The Trump administration slapped tariffs on a wide range of goods, using a wide range of justifications, said Mary Lovely at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

“Sometimes they were justified as a way to reduce the bilateral trade deficit. At other times it was retaliation for China’s unfair trade practices,” she said.

Trump also targeted Canada, Europe and other American allies. But Biden’s tariffs on Chinese imports are much more narrowly tailored — specifically toward the industries the administration’s been trying to promote with other legislation.

“The work that was done through the Inflation Reduction Act to support U.S. electric vehicle manufacturing, batteries, critical minerals,” Lovely said.

Biden’s tariffs might be more targeted, but they’re also a lot higher. Rachel Brewster, a professor at Duke Law School, said the Trump administration set tariffs in the 10% to 25% range.

“What they were trying to do is say to the Chinese government, ‘We’re flexing our muscles. We’re hurting you. And so you need to talk to us,’” Brewster said.

But the Biden administration has raised certain tariffs a lot more. Semiconductors and solar cells will face a 50% levy. And tariffs on electric vehicles will rise to 100%.

“Once you hit 100%, you could make the tariff a thousand percent. Ten thousand percent. A million percent,” she said. “You know, it’s like no goods are getting in.”

A tariff that high is effectively a ban on Chinese EVs, Brewster added.
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BIdenomics was built on supporting the middle class and it worked.
It created 16 million jobs
BIden used tariffs selectively and worked with our economic allies
He did not engage in trade wars against the world
 
rightwinger said:
BIdenomics was built on supporting the middle class and it worked.
It created 16 million jobs
BIden used tariffs selectively and worked with our economic allies
He did not engage in trade wars against the world
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It should be called tariff corrections.

On Tuesday, President Joe Biden announced new tariffs on $18 billion worth of imports from China, including electric vehicles, semiconductors, solar cells and critical minerals. Now, if this sounds a little familiar to you, you’re correct.

The Donald Trump administration spent years slapping tariffs on Chinese goods, using a lot of the same arguments the Biden administration is now making: that China’s trade policies are unfair, that the country is boosting its growth at the expense of others, that these tariffs are necessary to protect American industry and jobs.

Putting on tariffs is like rooting for the home team. That was true for Trump and now for Biden.

“Tariffs at a basic level are a disincentive to import. And where do you get stuff if you’re not importing? You buy domestically,” said Robert Johnson, an economics professor at the University of Notre Dame.

He said Biden is actually building on what Trump has already done.

“Meaning that there were about $300 billion worth of tariffs introduced under the Trump administration. Most of those have been left in place after a four-year review of that policy,” Johnson said.

But there are differences. The Trump administration slapped tariffs on a wide range of goods, using a wide range of justifications, said Mary Lovely at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

“Sometimes they were justified as a way to reduce the bilateral trade deficit. At other times it was retaliation for China’s unfair trade practices,” she said.

Trump also targeted Canada, Europe and other American allies. But Biden’s tariffs on Chinese imports are much more narrowly tailored — specifically toward the industries the administration’s been trying to promote with other legislation.

“The work that was done through the Inflation Reduction Act to support U.S. electric vehicle manufacturing, batteries, critical minerals,” Lovely said.

Biden’s tariffs might be more targeted, but they’re also a lot higher. Rachel Brewster, a professor at Duke Law School, said the Trump administration set tariffs in the 10% to 25% range.

“What they were trying to do is say to the Chinese government, ‘We’re flexing our muscles. We’re hurting you. And so you need to talk to us,’” Brewster said.

But the Biden administration has raised certain tariffs a lot more. Semiconductors and solar cells will face a 50% levy. And tariffs on electric vehicles will rise to 100%.

“Once you hit 100%, you could make the tariff a thousand percent. Ten thousand percent. A million percent,” she said. “You know, it’s like no goods are getting in.”

A tariff that high is effectively a ban on Chinese EVs, Brewster added.
 
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rightwinger said:
BIdenomics was built on supporting the middle class and it worked.
It created 16 million jobs
BIden used tariffs selectively and worked with our economic allies
He did not engage in trade wars against the world
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Democrats fell in love with super high taxes many many years ago and sill love them.
 
Robert W said:
It should be called tariff corrections.

On Tuesday, President Joe Biden announced new tariffs on $18 billion worth of imports from China, including electric vehicles, semiconductors, solar cells and critical minerals. Now, if this sounds a little familiar to you, you’re correct.

The Donald Trump administration spent years slapping tariffs on Chinese goods, using a lot of the same arguments the Biden administration is now making: that China’s trade policies are unfair, that the country is boosting its growth at the expense of others, that these tariffs are necessary to protect American industry and jobs.

Putting on tariffs is like rooting for the home team. That was true for Trump and now for Biden.

“Tariffs at a basic level are a disincentive to import. And where do you get stuff if you’re not importing? You buy domestically,” said Robert Johnson, an economics professor at the University of Notre Dame.

He said Biden is actually building on what Trump has already done.

“Meaning that there were about $300 billion worth of tariffs introduced under the Trump administration. Most of those have been left in place after a four-year review of that policy,” Johnson said.

But there are differences. The Trump administration slapped tariffs on a wide range of goods, using a wide range of justifications, said Mary Lovely at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

“Sometimes they were justified as a way to reduce the bilateral trade deficit. At other times it was retaliation for China’s unfair trade practices,” she said.

Trump also targeted Canada, Europe and other American allies. But Biden’s tariffs on Chinese imports are much more narrowly tailored — specifically toward the industries the administration’s been trying to promote with other legislation.

“The work that was done through the Inflation Reduction Act to support U.S. electric vehicle manufacturing, batteries, critical minerals,” Lovely said.

Biden’s tariffs might be more targeted, but they’re also a lot higher. Rachel Brewster, a professor at Duke Law School, said the Trump administration set tariffs in the 10% to 25% range.

“What they were trying to do is say to the Chinese government, ‘We’re flexing our muscles. We’re hurting you. And so you need to talk to us,’” Brewster said.

But the Biden administration has raised certain tariffs a lot more. Semiconductors and solar cells will face a 50% levy. And tariffs on electric vehicles will rise to 100%.

“Once you hit 100%, you could make the tariff a thousand percent. Ten thousand percent. A million percent,” she said. “You know, it’s like no goods are getting in.”

A tariff that high is effectively a ban on Chinese EVs, Brewster added.
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Targeted tariffs are the way it is supposed to be used

Trump declared a trade war on the world.
Encourages the world to take sides against us
 
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