What is the 5 billion for?

[eagle1462010]

HAPPY NEW YEARS folks.........well in 40 minutes here.

I'm out..............enjoy SNL Wall addition..........LOL

 

[charwin95]

You can go under over or around that dumb sexy wall.


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You can, but it would take a lot more effort, perhaps money these people don't have, and most would not even try.

1. The wall is only 6 to 7 feet deep x maybe exaggerated estimate of 5 feet thick............ Ray.

2. Let say 30 feet. Just bring a one pole ladder of 31 feet with steps on and a rope for the other side........ Ray.

Wow, so you think our border professionals, military, engineers didn't figure that out already? It's a shame they don't have you around to advise them on things they never thought of.

Tell me mr smarty...... do you have any idea how that sexy wall going to build?

Full confession .......... I met one of the 8 construction companies that build the prototypes. They are located here in San Diego.

All of them have the basic footings and thickness ( maybe + - 1 foot )..footing are no more than 6 feet Ray. Make it 8 feet for you.

So how difficult is it to dig 8 feet deep x 7 feet long?

That ******* wall is a total joke Ray.

No, I don't have any idea how it will be built. However I am not a professional in that field. We do have professionals in that field who will create an effective border all obstacles taken into consideration.

For instance, do you really think that our agents would not see somebody digging a hole three feet from the wall? I mean.......seriously.

I'm a truck driver, but my family on my fathers side is in construction. My father was a bricklayer. An Uncle who was a carpenter. An Uncle who was a remodeler. Two cousins who are also remodelers. I was a bricklayers apprentice for a spell.

As a child, a teen and even an adult, I've dug plenty of holes at the time, and let me tell you, it's not as easy as you see in the movies. It doesn't take minutes, it takes days and even weeks. It takes very expensive construction equipment.

Israel has a very effective barrier, and even then, they discovered tunnels. But it sure beats allowing attackers to come over in a few minutes to kill people.

Ray I understand your resume but this has nothing to do with the wall.

There are no magic or specials in these walls Ray.

Stop comparing Israelis wall vs southern wall because the nature around those wall are entirely different entities

 

[XponentialChaos]

Uh oh...they already figured out how to get around the wall...

Click here to support Ladders to Get Over Trump's Wall organized by Ladders for Migrant Siblings

Cool...........when they bring the ladders to the wall..........and our motion detectors and heat sensors will see them..........Then we can sell all these ladders on Craigslist.......

Gotta look at the Capitalism side of every equation..........

…maybe you should just invest in the motion detectors and heat sensors then.

That makes a lot more sense, don't you think?

 

[XponentialChaos]

HAPPY NEW YEARS folks.........well in 40 minutes here.

I'm out..............enjoy SNL Wall addition..........LOL

24 hours and 40 minutes?

 

[Slyhunter]

Uh oh...they already figured out how to get around the wall...

Click here to support Ladders to Get Over Trump's Wall organized by Ladders for Migrant Siblings

Cool...........when they bring the ladders to the wall..........and our motion detectors and heat sensors will see them..........Then we can sell all these ladders on Craigslist.......

Gotta look at the Capitalism side of every equation..........

…maybe you should just invest in the motion detectors and heat sensors then.

That makes a lot more sense, don't you think?

no because we'd still have catch and release. And they keep releasing them on the wrong side of the border. Need to keep them out so we don't have to catch them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You can, but it would take a lot more effort, perhaps money these people don't have, and most would not even try.

1. The wall is only 6 to 7 feet deep x maybe exaggerated estimate of 5 feet thick............ Ray.

2. Let say 30 feet. Just bring a one pole ladder of 31 feet with steps on and a rope for the other side........ Ray.

Wow, so you think our border professionals, military, engineers didn't figure that out already? It's a shame they don't have you around to advise them on things they never thought of.

Tell me mr smarty...... do you have any idea how that sexy wall going to build?

Full confession .......... I met one of the 8 construction companies that build the prototypes. They are located here in San Diego.

All of them have the basic footings and thickness ( maybe + - 1 foot )..footing are no more than 6 feet Ray. Make it 8 feet for you.

So how difficult is it to dig 8 feet deep x 7 feet long?

That ******* wall is a total joke Ray.

No, I don't have any idea how it will be built. However I am not a professional in that field. We do have professionals in that field who will create an effective border all obstacles taken into consideration.

For instance, do you really think that our agents would not see somebody digging a hole three feet from the wall? I mean.......seriously.

I'm a truck driver, but my family on my fathers side is in construction. My father was a bricklayer. An Uncle who was a carpenter. An Uncle who was a remodeler. Two cousins who are also remodelers. I was a bricklayers apprentice for a spell.

As a child, a teen and even an adult, I've dug plenty of holes at the time, and let me tell you, it's not as easy as you see in the movies. It doesn't take minutes, it takes days and even weeks. It takes very expensive construction equipment.

Israel has a very effective barrier, and even then, they discovered tunnels. But it sure beats allowing attackers to come over in a few minutes to kill people.

Ray I understand your resume but this has nothing to do with the wall.

There are no magic or specials in these walls Ray.

Stop comparing Israelis wall vs southern wall because the nature around those wall are entirely different entities

By that you are saying a wall will work with some people and not others. How did you come to that conclusion?

A barrier is to stop people from crossing a certain point no matter who it is or for what reason. In other words, it either works or it doesn't.

What you are saying is that our fences and barbed wire around prisons will stop convicted armed robbers from escaping, but not murderers. It's a silly point to try and make.

But let me test your honesty here: Last year our agents apprehended over 130,000 people trying (or completed) crossing our border. If a wall will not stop everybody, do you want to tell me it wouldn't stop at least 60,000 of them? And if you can admit that, wouldn't a wall to stop 60,000 a year be worth it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sad say but that there are plenty of RETARDS here believed that Sandy Hook was staged...... and all of them are Trump supporters.

And how many Trump supporters thought 911 was orchestrated by George Bush?

Your one of them.

I was? When did you see me make that claim?

 

[charwin95]

You don't "think" or you wouldn't be such a leftard drone. Critical thinking skills are frowned upon in the dnc circles....it's dangerous to their agenda.

Says the retard who thinks Sandy Hook was staged, lol.

Sad say but that there are plenty of RETARDS here believed that Sandy Hook was staged...... and all of them are Trump supporters.

Trump and Alex and Alex Jones are buddies. Can you ******* believe that? I clinched my butt 3x when I first heard that.

Did President Trump destroy your business????

Glad you asked.

No .......... but I had Plan A B and C..... just Incase this moron lying hypocrite POTUS starts attacking our sector.

That is why maybe you didn’t noticed I was gone for a while then came back a little bit then gone again. Traveled heavily between Asia and Europe the back to US. Now I’m back. I’ll be okay.

I’m in the medical instruments business. 60 % of my consumables are made in China, 35% in Europe and 15% here in US.

Worst going to happen is..... I’m going to charge you 200% to 300% above the current prices. So if you ever get sick and hospitalized. You better pray your POTUS do not mess in the medical business. So far we have not heard him attacking us. Only attacking the drug makers.

The beauty of traveling heavily was that (wife is sick of travelings)......... I bring one of my very pretty sexy LATINA girlfriend. Have fun at the same time.

Shit Obamacare already raised the prices on them.....don't you remember........Taxing shit..........kinda how it wasn't ruled Unconstitutional then.........because they called it a fine.............

So America first huh...............you proud to provide jobs over there.........and not here..........kinda why we are tariffing them...............oh well.

Dude I am no different from thousands of manufacturers are doing business overseas.
I only did that to compete. Otherwise I might as well shut the door.

As one example. I need several microbiologist for the labs. It cost less than $30k in China. Its about $50k+ here in US

 

[charwin95]

Sad say but that there are plenty of RETARDS here believed that Sandy Hook was staged...... and all of them are Trump supporters.

And how many Trump supporters thought 911 was orchestrated by George Bush?

Your one of them.

I was? When did you see me make that claim?

Then don’t bother me quoting with nonsense.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Uh oh...they already figured out how to get around the wall...

Click here to support Ladders to Get Over Trump's Wall organized by Ladders for Migrant Siblings

And how big was the check that you sent?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sad say but that there are plenty of RETARDS here believed that Sandy Hook was staged...... and all of them are Trump supporters.

And how many Trump supporters thought 911 was orchestrated by George Bush?

Your one of them.

I was? When did you see me make that claim?

Then don’t bother me quoting with nonsense.

I'm not. You made a claim and I'm asking you to prove it.

 

[Slyhunter]

Says the retard who thinks Sandy Hook was staged, lol.

Sad say but that there are plenty of RETARDS here believed that Sandy Hook was staged...... and all of them are Trump supporters.

Trump and Alex and Alex Jones are buddies. Can you ******* believe that? I clinched my butt 3x when I first heard that.

Did President Trump destroy your business????

Glad you asked.

No .......... but I had Plan A B and C..... just Incase this moron lying hypocrite POTUS starts attacking our sector.

That is why maybe you didn’t noticed I was gone for a while then came back a little bit then gone again. Traveled heavily between Asia and Europe the back to US. Now I’m back. I’ll be okay.

I’m in the medical instruments business. 60 % of my consumables are made in China, 35% in Europe and 15% here in US.

Worst going to happen is..... I’m going to charge you 200% to 300% above the current prices. So if you ever get sick and hospitalized. You better pray your POTUS do not mess in the medical business. So far we have not heard him attacking us. Only attacking the drug makers.

The beauty of traveling heavily was that (wife is sick of travelings)......... I bring one of my very pretty sexy LATINA girlfriend. Have fun at the same time.

Shit Obamacare already raised the prices on them.....don't you remember........Taxing shit..........kinda how it wasn't ruled Unconstitutional then.........because they called it a fine.............

So America first huh...............you proud to provide jobs over there.........and not here..........kinda why we are tariffing them...............oh well.

Dude I am no different from thousands of manufacturers are doing business overseas.
I only did that to compete. Otherwise I might as well shut the door.

As one example. I need several microbiologist for the labs. It cost less than $30k in China. Its about $50k+ here in US

Slave labor is always cheaper.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Then what is going to stop them from being here?
You won't do what it takes to stop them, that is the same thing as wanting them here.

The wall isn't the answer. It's just a really expensive stupid idea that you were swindled into believing someone else would pay for...because reasons. (LoL)

Here, read the words from Mick Mulvaney, Trump's chief of staff and a Republican:

Mick Mulvaney once called Trump's views on border wall ‘absurd and almost childish’

The wall isn't the answer, but a huge part of the answer. Walls, fences and borders work everyplace else they are tried. However brainwashing has you believing they don't with no supporting evidence.

Cool. Then either hold your boy accountable for getting Mexico to pay for it like he promised. Or donate to the fund that YOU find so important.

Click here to support We The People Will Fund The Wall organized by Brian Kolfage

Why don't you send me a check for all the money I have to pay for the additional costs of healthcare since DumBama didn't provide it?

Because **** you, that's why.

Why you so upset, must be an Illegal Mexican

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[candycorn]

3. Those who are stopped by a wall will (many will anyway) find other means of entry.

Stupid to start bailing until you seal the leaks.

Even dumber to sell a boat to morons and say that the boat they are buying is water-tight when it clearly is not;

Dumber still to vote for the guy selling you the leaky boat.

Well, sell us on the virtues of being a fabian socialist demcrat......you have the opening. Make your sales pitch or STFU. I haven't read anything by the leftists here that paints their agenda in a positive light. Trying to blow out the flame of the opposition doesn't make your little light shine brighter. Name the positives of being a demcrat......what say ye?

Positives? I'm not a democrat but if I were, I would imagine the guarantee of not encountering you at any meetings. That'd be a huge plus.

I am not a republican and loud-mouthed leftards like yourself can claim to distance themselves from what they are....but the proof is in the pudding. I love the internet if for no other reason that where else can I delve into the mindset of a leftard but be spared of having to share the same airspace. You wouldn't fare any better in a real time exchange than you do here behind the safety of your keyboard.....bet me and lose that one.

(snicker)

You wouldn't be welcome in the Democratic Party. Just like everywhere else.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why would we need any of that money if Mexico is paying for it?

**** you guys and your wall. I don't want one penny to go toward it. That way you uneducated retards learn next time you want to vote for a demagogue with his bullshit promises.

I didn't want to pay for Cash for Clunkers. I didn't want to pay the food stamp bill which DumBama doubled. I didn't want to pay for Commie Care or Solyndra either.

Don't worry. We'll just trick a bunch of retards into believing that Mexico will pay for those things for us.

You never heard of tariffs?

.

 

[Slyhunter]

Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

 

[Wyatt earp]

Do you want more environmental improvements in the country? Then you pay for it.

I don't care enough to donate my own money to that if I don't have to. You guys clearly do, so empty those pockets.

Dems are always taking people's money and spending it on shit we don't want........How do you like your Karma.....Sunny side up or scrambled.

What karma, exactly? I'm perfectly content with you guys NOT getting your wall.

Why?

Because you retards were swindled into thinking Mexico would pay for it, and this is the only way you're going to learn.

Learn what?

That you put party before country is obvious

.

 

[candycorn]

Wait a second...was Trump lying when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall? A simple yes or yes will suffice.

Yes and No...........

No, the only answer is yes.

depends on how you look at it.......

No, it doesn't.

Is lost revenue to Mexico a payment.........

No. Making someone else poorer doesn't mean the wall is getting funded.

or tariffs a payment........

No. Tariffs are taxes on the importer, not the exporter.

or less money coming back into their country a payment.........

No. Their having less money isn't their paying for the wall anymore than it was paying for the stupid paraded the blob wanted to have.

or costing us less here a payment..........

No. The wall that is already there will still have to be patrolled; whether anyone gets arrested or not is not much of a savings as you will still have the same after-arrest structures.

Technically.........yeah we pay for it.......

Hell must have froze over. Except it's "Actually yeah we pay for it".

and save money down the road because we did it.

How exactly?

Baloney.............costs a lot of money after they are here...........or do you think them going to school for example is somehow MAGICALLY FREE...........

Do you imagine getting a tax cut if the class size goes down from 35 to 30 students?

Apples to Oranges.............Need more teachers for larger numbers..........now you get back to me when we are only getting 5 illegals across the border..........because I'll be a Happy Camper.

Again, when was the last time your local taxes went down?

 

[charwin95]

1. The wall is only 6 to 7 feet deep x maybe exaggerated estimate of 5 feet thick............ Ray.

2. Let say 30 feet. Just bring a one pole ladder of 31 feet with steps on and a rope for the other side........ Ray.

Wow, so you think our border professionals, military, engineers didn't figure that out already? It's a shame they don't have you around to advise them on things they never thought of.

Tell me mr smarty...... do you have any idea how that sexy wall going to build?

Full confession .......... I met one of the 8 construction companies that build the prototypes. They are located here in San Diego.

All of them have the basic footings and thickness ( maybe + - 1 foot )..footing are no more than 6 feet Ray. Make it 8 feet for you.

So how difficult is it to dig 8 feet deep x 7 feet long?

That ******* wall is a total joke Ray.

No, I don't have any idea how it will be built. However I am not a professional in that field. We do have professionals in that field who will create an effective border all obstacles taken into consideration.

For instance, do you really think that our agents would not see somebody digging a hole three feet from the wall? I mean.......seriously.

I'm a truck driver, but my family on my fathers side is in construction. My father was a bricklayer. An Uncle who was a carpenter. An Uncle who was a remodeler. Two cousins who are also remodelers. I was a bricklayers apprentice for a spell.

As a child, a teen and even an adult, I've dug plenty of holes at the time, and let me tell you, it's not as easy as you see in the movies. It doesn't take minutes, it takes days and even weeks. It takes very expensive construction equipment.

Israel has a very effective barrier, and even then, they discovered tunnels. But it sure beats allowing attackers to come over in a few minutes to kill people.

Ray I understand your resume but this has nothing to do with the wall.

There are no magic or specials in these walls Ray.

Stop comparing Israelis wall vs southern wall because the nature around those wall are entirely different entities

By that you are saying a wall will work with some people and not others. How did you come to that conclusion?

A barrier is to stop people from crossing a certain point no matter who it is or for what reason. In other words, it either works or it doesn't.

What you are saying is that our fences and barbed wire around prisons will stop convicted armed robbers from escaping, but not murderers. It's a silly point to try and make.

But let me test your honesty here: Last year our agents apprehended over 130,000 people trying (or completed) crossing our border. If a wall will not stop everybody, do you want to tell me it wouldn't stop at least 60,000 of them? And if you can admit that, wouldn't a wall to stop 60,000 a year be worth it?

I’m not saying that wall will not stop anybody.

All I’m saying is that it’s not that difficult to breach that stupid wall.

How can you be this dumb to compare a prison wall to southern wall? Are the prisoners has the ability to dig tunnels? Or over the fence when dark? Really?

Israel’s wall vs southern wall. Ray there are no millions of customers on the other sides of Israel’s wall. There are no incentives but a suicide to breach Israel’s wall.

Southern wall..... people are escaping from poverty, hungers, murders, drugs, gangs for better future to US. There are millions of customers here in US. There are millions of incentives here in US.

I’m being consistent and honest as I can. I don’t need to bullshit. Ray

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Don't you believe it. Vagrants coming here while Trump is in charge is slim to none. They may be third world countries, but they get information about things they plan on doing. They know there is no chance in hell they are getting through our barriers.