What is our obligation to the poor?

[ScienceRocks]

Jesus wanted you to help the poor and be caring.

 

[ding]

He must have been influenced by Jesus the Christ and His teachings.

The problem is, socialism requires social morals for free.

We have more than Ten social or religious Commandments.

Forced charity is not charity. Socialism has and will always be a reaction. It dismisses its defeats and ignores its inconcruieties. It is a subversive and deceptive ideology that destroys the spirit of man.

"Forced" obedience is not True Love for Any God, either; and, we have more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God.

So, what is your actual point?

Yes, and forcing someone to be virtuous does not make them virtuous.

Actually, it does.
Read Maimonides.
However, our system of taxation is not rational.

If I say the secret word do I win a hundred dollars?

Progressive

 

[danielpalos]

He must have been influenced by Jesus the Christ and His teachings.

The problem is, socialism requires social morals for free.

We have more than Ten social or religious Commandments.

Forced charity is not charity. Socialism has and will always be a reaction. It dismisses its defeats and ignores its inconcruieties. It is a subversive and deceptive ideology that destroys the spirit of man.

"Forced" obedience is not True Love for Any God, either; and, we have more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God.

So, what is your actual point?

Yes, and forcing someone to be virtuous does not make them virtuous. My point was that your initial comment is something the founder of socialism would have said and that socialism is evil. What is your point about having more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God? Because I don't see God forcing us to follow His "more than Ten religious Commandments," but I do see you suggesting that we should force the rich to be charitable.

Both terms, promote and provide are in our social Contract and federal Constitution regarding the general welfare. Socialism starts with a social Contract. Are you not glad, our Founding Fathers did such an excellent job.

Are you a socialist?

We have a mixed market economy; what do you think.

 

[danielpalos]

He must have been influenced by Jesus the Christ and His teachings.

The problem is, socialism requires social morals for free.

We have more than Ten social or religious Commandments.

Forced charity is not charity. Socialism has and will always be a reaction. It dismisses its defeats and ignores its inconcruieties. It is a subversive and deceptive ideology that destroys the spirit of man.

"Forced" obedience is not True Love for Any God, either; and, we have more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God.

So, what is your actual point?

Yes, and forcing someone to be virtuous does not make them virtuous.

Actually, it does.
Read Maimonides.
However, our system of taxation is not rational.

If I say the secret word do I win a hundred dollars?

no; but, if you are an already rich CEO seeking a bailout, you can just "lie to your stockholders" and claim your multimillion dollar bonus.

it is not rational either with a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

King Benjamin (Mosiah 4, Book of Mormon) would applaud the searchings of your heart but disagree with your "outsourcing" comment. He would tell you that private and public efforts are mandatory, of course. I would think that we would take care of the weary, the infirm, the children and infants, mothers with children, train the non-taxpayer into becoming taxpayers. When we fail to use appropriate outsource opportunities, we deny blessings to those in need but to ourselves as well.

One problem here. You don't have the authority to interpret what king Benjamin said.

Anyone filled with the spirit of Christ has the right to interpret it. That's why you are unable to understand it.

 

[ding]

Forced charity is not charity. Socialism has and will always be a reaction. It dismisses its defeats and ignores its inconcruieties. It is a subversive and deceptive ideology that destroys the spirit of man.

"Forced" obedience is not True Love for Any God, either; and, we have more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God.

So, what is your actual point?

Yes, and forcing someone to be virtuous does not make them virtuous. My point was that your initial comment is something the founder of socialism would have said and that socialism is evil. What is your point about having more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God? Because I don't see God forcing us to follow His "more than Ten religious Commandments," but I do see you suggesting that we should force the rich to be charitable.

Both terms, promote and provide are in our social Contract and federal Constitution regarding the general welfare. Socialism starts with a social Contract. Are you not glad, our Founding Fathers did such an excellent job.

Are you a socialist?

We have a mixed market economy; what do you think.

I think you didn't answer my question.

 

[danielpalos]

"Forced" obedience is not True Love for Any God, either; and, we have more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God.

So, what is your actual point?

Yes, and forcing someone to be virtuous does not make them virtuous. My point was that your initial comment is something the founder of socialism would have said and that socialism is evil. What is your point about having more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God? Because I don't see God forcing us to follow His "more than Ten religious Commandments," but I do see you suggesting that we should force the rich to be charitable.

Both terms, promote and provide are in our social Contract and federal Constitution regarding the general welfare. Socialism starts with a social Contract. Are you not glad, our Founding Fathers did such an excellent job.

Are you a socialist?

We have a mixed market economy; what do you think.

I think you didn't answer my question.

This is in our social Contract:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It is our civic, mission statement.

 

[ding]

Yes, and forcing someone to be virtuous does not make them virtuous. My point was that your initial comment is something the founder of socialism would have said and that socialism is evil. What is your point about having more than Ten religious Commandments, from a God? Because I don't see God forcing us to follow His "more than Ten religious Commandments," but I do see you suggesting that we should force the rich to be charitable.

Both terms, promote and provide are in our social Contract and federal Constitution regarding the general welfare. Socialism starts with a social Contract. Are you not glad, our Founding Fathers did such an excellent job.

Are you a socialist?

We have a mixed market economy; what do you think.

I think you didn't answer my question.

This is in our social Contract:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It is our civic, mission statement.

Civil contract, not social contract. Actually the main function of the DOI is a declaration of authority. Are you a socialist?

 

[danielpalos]

Both terms, promote and provide are in our social Contract and federal Constitution regarding the general welfare. Socialism starts with a social Contract. Are you not glad, our Founding Fathers did such an excellent job.

Are you a socialist?

We have a mixed market economy; what do you think.

I think you didn't answer my question.

This is in our social Contract:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It is our civic, mission statement.

Civil contract, not social contract. Actually the main function of the DOI is a declaration of authority. Are you a socialist?

Our Constitution is a social Contract, in writing and enforcible at law. it is not a capital Contract.

 

[ding]

Are you a socialist?

We have a mixed market economy; what do you think.

I think you didn't answer my question.

This is in our social Contract:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It is our civic, mission statement.

Civil contract, not social contract. Actually the main function of the DOI is a declaration of authority. Are you a socialist?

Our Constitution is a social Contract, in writing and enforcible at law. it is not a capital Contract.

It is a legal document which defines and limits the power of the government over the people. Are you a socialist? It is a fair question.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a mixed market economy; what do you think.

I think you didn't answer my question.

This is in our social Contract:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It is our civic, mission statement.

Civil contract, not social contract. Actually the main function of the DOI is a declaration of authority. Are you a socialist?

Our Constitution is a social Contract, in writing and enforcible at law. it is not a capital Contract.

It is a legal document which defines and limits the power of the government over the people. Are you a socialist? It is a fair question.

The law is socialism, not capitalism.

 

[ding]

I think you didn't answer my question.

This is in our social Contract:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It is our civic, mission statement.

Civil contract, not social contract. Actually the main function of the DOI is a declaration of authority. Are you a socialist?

Our Constitution is a social Contract, in writing and enforcible at law. it is not a capital Contract.

It is a legal document which defines and limits the power of the government over the people. Are you a socialist? It is a fair question.

The law is socialism, not capitalism.

No. The law is based on virtue. There is no virtue in socialism or socialists. There is only deceit and deception. You can't even bring yourself to admit that you are one. Beliefs not worth stating are beliefs not worth having.

 

[danielpalos]

This is in our social Contract:
It is our civic, mission statement.

Civil contract, not social contract. Actually the main function of the DOI is a declaration of authority. Are you a socialist?

Our Constitution is a social Contract, in writing and enforcible at law. it is not a capital Contract.

It is a legal document which defines and limits the power of the government over the people. Are you a socialist? It is a fair question.

The law is socialism, not capitalism.

No. The law is based on virtue. There is no virtue in socialism or socialists. There is only deceit and deception. You can't even bring yourself to admit that you are one. Beliefs not worth stating are beliefs not worth having.

You mistake for moral virtues for civil virtues and civil liberties. And, why do you believe capitalists are any more honest for free, we know capitalists must have capital based morals, not social based morals. the Only problem with socialism, is that it requires social morals for free, even while being "punished" by lucre or a lack thereof, as the case may be.

 

[ding]

Civil contract, not social contract. Actually the main function of the DOI is a declaration of authority. Are you a socialist?

Our Constitution is a social Contract, in writing and enforcible at law. it is not a capital Contract.

It is a legal document which defines and limits the power of the government over the people. Are you a socialist? It is a fair question.

The law is socialism, not capitalism.

No. The law is based on virtue. There is no virtue in socialism or socialists. There is only deceit and deception. You can't even bring yourself to admit that you are one. Beliefs not worth stating are beliefs not worth having.

You mistake for moral virtues for civil virtues and civil liberties. And, why do you believe capitalists are any more honest for free, we know capitalists must have capital based morals, not social based morals. the Only problem with socialism, is that it requires social morals for free, even while being "punished" by lucre or a lack thereof, as the case may be.

No. virtues are virtues. I don't believe that capitalists have superior values. I believe that free enterprise has superior values. There are many many problems with socialism. The biggest being it is a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

 

[danielpalos]

Our Constitution is a social Contract, in writing and enforcible at law. it is not a capital Contract.

It is a legal document which defines and limits the power of the government over the people. Are you a socialist? It is a fair question.

The law is socialism, not capitalism.

No. The law is based on virtue. There is no virtue in socialism or socialists. There is only deceit and deception. You can't even bring yourself to admit that you are one. Beliefs not worth stating are beliefs not worth having.

You mistake for moral virtues for civil virtues and civil liberties. And, why do you believe capitalists are any more honest for free, we know capitalists must have capital based morals, not social based morals. the Only problem with socialism, is that it requires social morals for free, even while being "punished" by lucre or a lack thereof, as the case may be.

No. virtues are virtues. I don't believe that capitalists have superior values. I believe that free enterprise has superior values. There are many many problems with socialism. The biggest being it is a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

Free enterprise? Is that why even gods mandated moral commandments and why we have social laws?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

King Benjamin (Mosiah 4, Book of Mormon) would applaud the searchings of your heart but disagree with your "outsourcing" comment. He would tell you that private and public efforts are mandatory, of course. I would think that we would take care of the weary, the infirm, the children and infants, mothers with children, train the non-taxpayer into becoming taxpayers. When we fail to use appropriate outsource opportunities, we deny blessings to those in need but to ourselves as well.

One problem here. You don't have the authority to interpret what king Benjamin said.

Anyone filled with the spirit of Christ has the right to interpret it. That's why you are unable to understand it.

You can say anything you want, and you've certainly done that.
But there's not a Mormon on this forum that will say you have authority to interpret. Mormon scriptures. Not one.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

King Benjamin (Mosiah 4, Book of Mormon) would applaud the searchings of your heart but disagree with your "outsourcing" comment. He would tell you that private and public efforts are mandatory, of course. I would think that we would take care of the weary, the infirm, the children and infants, mothers with children, train the non-taxpayer into becoming taxpayers. When we fail to use appropriate outsource opportunities, we deny blessings to those in need but to ourselves as well.

One problem here. You don't have the authority to interpret what king Benjamin said.

Anyone filled with the spirit of Christ has the right to interpret it. That's why you are unable to understand it.

You can say anything you want, and you've certainly done that.
But there's not a Mormon on this forum that will say you have authority to interpret. Mormon scriptures. Not one.

The last verse of Mosiah 4 refers to people like you, tyrone. "30 But this much I can tell you, that if ye do not watch yourselves, and your thoughts, and your words, and your deeds, and observe the commandments of God, and continue in the faith of what ye have heard concerning the coming of our Lord, even unto the end of your lives, ye must perish. And now, O man, remember, and perish not."

 

[danielpalos]

What objection can there be to solving simple poverty and taxing the rich into Heaven, at the same time?

 

[the_human_being]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

You should send me a check every month for three hundred dollars

 

[ding]

It is a legal document which defines and limits the power of the government over the people. Are you a socialist? It is a fair question.

The law is socialism, not capitalism.

No. The law is based on virtue. There is no virtue in socialism or socialists. There is only deceit and deception. You can't even bring yourself to admit that you are one. Beliefs not worth stating are beliefs not worth having.

You mistake for moral virtues for civil virtues and civil liberties. And, why do you believe capitalists are any more honest for free, we know capitalists must have capital based morals, not social based morals. the Only problem with socialism, is that it requires social morals for free, even while being "punished" by lucre or a lack thereof, as the case may be.

No. virtues are virtues. I don't believe that capitalists have superior values. I believe that free enterprise has superior values. There are many many problems with socialism. The biggest being it is a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

Free enterprise? Is that why even gods mandated moral commandments and why we have social laws?

Do you see God enforcing His laws?