What is driving this trade war?

[Mac1958]

China plays the long game.
And is busy making deals with other country's
Some who are now more willing,
than before all the tariff demands made on them.

Yeah, they're jumping on this, to no surprise.

If they can overcome trust issues, they'll be a monster. And now, we're no more trusted than they are.

They were in trouble. This is a lifeline.

 

[Rawley]

Sure I do.

So, you admit you are lying when you claim "more tax cuts for the rich"

Just like I know that if you do budget calculations, you don't include those that are set to expire. Unless you reup them in which case they are ADDED to the budget deficit. The cost doesn't magically disappear.
Although congress is trying it by doing some bookkeeping fraud. They are trying to claim that the budget deficit should not be calculated on total debt but on the difference between on year to the next.

It's like saying that if I buy a 100000 dollar car one year. And another one the year after that. My debt isn't going up because my expenses stayed the same.

LOL Cracks me up to hear progressives whine about debt.

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton was handed a mess as well. From the hangover of the Reagan economic crash,, and the Gulf War. Don't you remember the campaign slogan - "It's the economy, Stupid!".

The Republicans' dogged pursuit of the Clinton was revenge for Nixon, and Iran Contra under Reagan. They were determined to impeach a Democrat in revenge, even if they had to lie about him to do it.

And republicans can’t say we started the witch hunts AND bush didn’t lie us into iraq. Because trump said it would have been wonderful if pelosi would have impeached bush for it.

Btw, what is driving this trade war? Could putin have told trump to do what he did last week? Whoever told trump to do what he did. Let’s just say with friends like that, who needs enemies?

 

[sealybobo]

So, you admit you are lying when you claim "more tax cuts for the rich"



LOL Cracks me up to hear progressives whine about debt.

You’re being hypocritical. Trump will cut social programs that benefit the middle class and poor and like bush, give those savings to rich people. Which makes your life harder and taxes go up. And they’ll spend on Elon or halloburton. I’d rather forgive student debt.

What they won’t do is pay down the debt. That I would respect.

 

[Rawley]

You’re being hypocritical.

Nope

Trump will cut social programs that benefit the middle class and poor and like bush, give those savings to rich people.

And he will crush the skulls of kittens and puppies. You know we just laugh at you when you regurgitate and chant this lie from your masters

Which makes your life harder and taxes go up. And they’ll spend on Elon or halloburton. I’d rather forgive student debt.
What they won’t do is pay down the debt. That I would respect.

I believe they will try and pay down the debt. Lots of it is up to congress.

 

[sealybobo]

Nope

And he will crush the skulls of kittens and puppies. You know we just laugh at you when you regurgitate and chant this lie from your masters

I believe they will try and pay down the debt. Lots of it is up to congress.

Let’s see them pay down the debt. The only time republicans are interested in doing that is when a democrat is president. It’s why Clinton had a surplus. Newt made him.

All the savings is going to rich people just like bush gave Clinton’s surplus to them in the form of tax breaks.

 

[sealybobo]

You could just get an education.

You mean our uneducated blue collar workers? So you’re back to being like republicans in the 2000s. They didn’t care about them either.

And I knew you guys didn’t either. Even though that’s who got trump elected. Even a lot of union uneducated blue collar workers voted for trump
Idiots.

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton was handed a mess as well. From the hangover of the Reagan economic crash,, and the Gulf War. Don't you remember the campaign slogan - "It's the economy, Stupid!".

The Republicans' dogged pursuit of the Clinton was revenge for Nixon, and Iran Contra under Reagan. They were determined to impeach a Democrat in revenge, even if they had to lie about him to do it.

I just heard China is the only country that buys chicken feet from us.

What is it we want China to buy from us? You can’t demand a consumer buy from you. We wanted to buy stuff from China. Not chinas fault. And just because we buy from them doesn’t mean they must buy from us.

 

[Mac1958]

What about trump? Three weeks ago he was saying the word over and over again like he had just heard about them. And then said it’s the most beautiful word. Then he tanked the stock market in a day using them.

Clearly trump don’t know what tariffs are. Well he does now

HEY TRUMP: YOU CAN'T CHANGE TARIFFS LIKE YOU CHANGE YOUR FUCKING SOCKS.

There is NO WAY he understands tariffs. They have to be set. They have to be predictable. They have to make sense. Businesses and countries and partnerships have to fucking PLAN. They have to FORECAST. They have CONTRACTS to honor. They have to BUDGET. They have BUSINESS IN PROCESS.

NOBODY is this fucking dense.

 

[forkup]

o, you admit you are lying when you claim "more tax cuts for the rich"

What about extending don't you get?

LOL Cracks me up to hear progressives whine about debt.

Not half as much as it cracks me up to see so-called conservatives defending expanding the debt. With a whataboutism as per usual.

Turd polishing for Trump never changes.

 

[Billiejeens]

You mean our uneducated blue collar workers? So you’re back to being like republicans in the 2000s. They didn’t care about them either.

And I knew you guys didn’t either. Even though that’s who got trump elected. Even a lot of union uneducated blue collar workers voted for trump
Idiots.

Do you know who "you" is?

 

[eagle1462010]

And republicans can’t say we started the witch hunts AND bush didn’t lie us into iraq. Because trump said it would have been wonderful if pelosi would have impeached bush for it.

Btw, what is driving this trade war? Could putin have told trump to do what he did last week? Whoever told trump to do what he did. Let’s just say with friends like that, who needs enemies?

https://www.streetinsider.com/dr/news.php?id=24538801&gfv=1

The total size of the announced investments since Trump took office on January 20, 2025, is just over $2.8 trillion.

The list of companies and countries investing in the U.S. based on the size of commitment is noted below:

• UAE - $1.4 trillion
• Saudi Arabia - $600 billion
• Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) - $500 billion
• NVIDIA - $100 billion
• Softbank/OpenAi/Oracle (as part of Stargate) - $100 billion
• Taiwan Semiconductor - $100 billion
• Johnson & Johnson - $55 billion
• Eli Lilly (NYSE: LLY) - $27 billion
• CMA CGM Group - $20 billion
• Merck (NYSE: MRK) - $1 billion
• GE Aerospace - $1 billion

 

[Clipper]

I saw a video of a Trumpster, with a knowing, condescending smile (remember, they know something the rest of us don't), say that Trump is playing five-dimensional chess here. The REASON he's trying to crash the economy is so that interest rates can come down and people can buy homes again.

Fuck.

And this is why I no longer bother.

Trump is playing cornhole scheming who is next on his hit list. Which is whoever offended his "feels", didn't praise him highly enough, who exposed his lawlessness & his bullshit & a host of other perceived slights.

The guy is a mentally deficient whack job.

 

[Clipper]

Correct, because their immediate impulse will be to blame someone else.

Trump is blinking now while our biggest trading partners are patiently watching. He needs to keep blinking and get us the fuck out of this. The only thing stopping him now is that he hasn't come up with a way to pretend it's a victory.

Now we've lost all trust around the world. We've become a menace to finance. The whole fucking system damn near froze when the bond market collapsed. We're fucking things up for pretty much everyone.

It's important to optimize our trade situation at all times. But Navarro ("Ron Vara") is a demonstrable fraud and Trump has ZERO macro understanding of this topic or appreciation for its complexities. As usual. That's MAGA.

We're damn lucky that the bond market didn't collapse last week. Total disaster if it does. What we have is,Trump without a clue about the intracacies of world trade, economics & all the rest of it. And no one around him that has the spine to tell him he's wrong, including his lackeys in Congress.

We are screwed.

 

[Mac1958]

We're damn lucky that the bond market didn't collapse last week. Total disaster if it does. What we have is,Trump without a clue about the intracacies of world trade, economics & all the rest of it. And no one around him that has the spine to tell him he's wrong, including his lackeys in Congress.

We are screwed.

I can tell you exactly where I was standing on September 18, 2008, when I saw that money market shares had dropped under a dollar and I thought it all literally might be crashing down. Everything. We ended up escaping that catastrophe by just a few hours, literally.

I had that same fucking feeling last week. But this wasn't the years-long, intricate and complicated story of the Meltdown (the long-term effects of which we're feeling right now). This was the toxic ignorance and brittle ego of one (1) profoundly unwell man-child.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump and his enablers think that everyone will just bend over and take it, and do nothing in direct or indirect response. Everything will just go back to normal, except for those meanie countries not being so nasty with their tariffs.

Forget tariffs — Beijing is already choking off US exports on the sly

 

[Correll]

These were the top issues

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China isn’t even on the list. This China thing is a distraction. How is he going to raise wages for uneducated blue collar workers? By bringing jobs back home?

Partially. But also by deportations and border security and tariffs. All policies pushing in the same direction, raising blue collar wages.

If you want to argue for unions as your personal favorite solution, no one is stopping you.

And how’s he going to lower prices? Drill baby drill?

Energy cost is a big driver of inflation. Eggs were a weird one. But wages rising is the big thing, imo.

And where is his alternative to Obamacare? It doesn’t exist.

Most people are happy withe healthcare. Improve wages and jobs and you improve people's ability to get their own healthcare.


Wages and jobs improves significantly, you'll admit that Trump is/was a success, right?

 

[Correll]

Us libs just have different ideas how to fix what’s wrong in America. Ultimately, we both want to fix what’s wrong with America. So I’m going t9 hold trumps feet to the fire when it comes to fixing what’s wrong with America. Sorry if I’m skeptical and pessimistic

https://aitogether.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/November-top-voting-issues.png

i'm fine with that.

But, I am afraid I have to disagree about "both" of us wanting to fix what's wrong with America.


YOU personally, I can see are sincere in your desire to get good policy for America and Americans.

BUT, the vast majority of the feedback, the PUSHBACK, i get is people ridiculing me for WANTING to see wages rise for "uneducated blue collar workers".

They have no desire to "fix" this, to them this is the new normal and they have adjusted to it, and their idea on how to deal with it, is to just accept it, and move on from there.



To be fair, there is some of that too, in the Country Club and FREE TRADE gop.

 

[Mac-7]

Pain is coming here either way.

Pain that leads to a better outcome is what trump is working for

Lib globalist only want business as usual

 

[sealybobo]

HEY TRUMP: YOU CAN'T CHANGE TARIFFS LIKE YOU CHANGE YOUR FUCKING SOCKS.

There is NO WAY he understands tariffs. They have to be set. They have to be predictable. They have to make sense. Businesses and countries and partnerships have to fucking PLAN. They have to FORECAST. They have CONTRACTS to honor. They have to BUDGET. They have BUSINESS IN PROCESS.

NOBODY is this fucking dense.

This weekend Bill Maher talked about his meeting with Trump. It went well he said. Better than he expected. Trump's not as big of a dick in person as he plays on TV.

He told Bill he didn't appreciate this

Then Bill told him he didn't appreciate him saying Obama wasn't born in America. Know what Trump said? "Fair enough".

So Trump knows what he's doing. He pretends to be stupid.