What is driving this trade war?

[SmokeALib]

What is the one (1) consistent common denominator in virtually ALL of Trump's relationships? The ONE thing he will ALWAYS complain about?

It's about how he is "treated". If he feels he has not been "treated" well enough, he gets angry and acts out. This is something that is happening in his head alone. He is the one who decides on the spot if he's being "treated" well enough. If not, here we go.

So in this case, he has obviously felt for decades that he has somehow been taken advantage of by other countries. That they're getting the better of him somehow. So now he's responding in the only way he knows: He's attacking without looking at a bigger picture. He attacks, sees that the results are bad, and then changes course.

I know that Trump's fans think that they'll see a clear, tangible and material difference in their lives once Trump has exacted his revenge on all those countries. The sad thing here is, on balance, they will not. There are larger issues that influence the vector of an economy.

CNN is your link to this sewage? GTF outta here.

 

[eagle1462010]

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Not taking in consideration Covid. Trump added Over 3 trillion in debt in 3 years, while inheriting a bull market. See that little spike, that was his first gander with tax cuts. Doesn't seem equilibrious to me.

Graph shows no historic change until the Mail In Virus showed up.

Did your heroes in office stop it?

Why no they wanted MORE and under Biden MORE HAPPENED.

 

[Mac1958]

CNN is your link to this sewage? GTF outta here.

No, it isn't, Trumpster.

It's just a link. Links are required in OPs. Calm down. Get over it.

 

[j-mac]

Might be we buy more from them than they from us.

Who has more to lose?

You make absolutely NO sense...Think about what you said here....

(paraphrasing) China's economy is suffering, because we buy more from them than they buy from us? What kind of delusion mind virus do you have to convolute reality like that....?

 

[eagle1462010]

You make absolutely NO sense...Think about what you said here....

(paraphrasing) China's economy is suffering, because we buy more from them than they buy from us? What kind of delusion mind virus do you have to convolute reality like that....?

We reduce Trade from them do they gain or lose?

 

[j-mac]

We reduce Trade from them do they gain or lose?

That's a more complicated question than a simple answer....

in the immediate, and if we are talking about China for instance, they would be the biggest losers in that, but, that wouldn't be without some pain in consumerism on our side....

But, these imbalances have to be stopped, or we just lose imperpetuity

 

[Mac-7]

That's a more complicated question than a simple answer....

in the immediate, and if we are talking about China for instance, they would be the biggest losers in that, but, that wouldn't be without some pain in consumerism on our side....

But, these imbalances have to be stopped, or we just lose imperpetuity

Globalist free traders do not think ahead

They only think about now

 

[eagle1462010]

That's a more complicated question than a simple answer....

in the immediate, and if we are talking about China for instance, they would be the biggest losers in that, but, that wouldn't be without some pain in consumerism on our side....

But, these imbalances have to be stopped, or we just lose imperpetuity

Pain is coming here either way.

 

[SmokeALib]

No, it isn't, Trumpster.

It's just a link. Links are required in OPs. Calm down. Get over it.

Don't label me a Trumpster, moron. I'm for what's right and against what's wrong - no matter who is in the white house.
Trump just happens to be right more than he is wrong.

 

[protectionist]

Might be we buy more from them than they from us.

Who has more to lose?

Precisely. China NEEDS us. We don't need them.
The USA is (by far) the largest (keyword >) MARKET in the world. China has a ton of manufacturing, but along with that, they need someplace to sell all that stuff to.

Guess where/who they need > The USA. They can now look over the world for markets. They're not going to find them, and other countries are smart enough to see what happens when you go the free trade route, giving China unrestricted access to your market (as some bonehead US presidents did). They take control over you.

China is now so out of the game, that they are starting to threaten military war. That's a bluff. They know they can't do that.

 

[sealybobo]

Whoa. You are serious and honestly addressing the point. Good that I was already sitting down.




It is not happening yet. IMO, our managers have had gotten fat and happy and fucking lazy and stupid, from having labor policy crafted SOLELY for their benefit for decades.







And not just uneducated blue collar workers. But for educated ones too. The way that labor moves from one category to another, means that pressure in one sector will bleed over. IMO.




Elon does have power in MAGA. So does the base. I look at the HB1 visas as the high water mark of THIS wave of our efforts. The question is is the water line going to be below or above this point.

First of all, note all the portion of this issue BELOW that point. Such as illegal immigration, legal immigraiton, trade, tariffs, and this is important, HOW SERIOUS ENFORCEMENT OF HB1 VISAS, is done.


HB1 visas where the enforcement of the requirements are serious and tough, as oposed to the status quo, where they were a rubber stamp, is a serious difference.


BUT to be clear, I agree with you, it is questionable questionable whether we, MAGA wins on the HB1 visas portion of this larger issue.


Musk has been doing great, from MAGA pov, but he is still a tech bro and there is a some conflict there.




Seelybobo, this post of yours was one of the best and most serious I have seen from a lib, in my entire life.

But you are still failing to grasp a very real difference here. The idea that one has to be part of a group in order to represent or serve them, is a lib idea that conservatives do not share. We KNOW that Musk is a billionaire, ie not a blue collar worker.


Also, it is worth noting that libs don't really believe that idea either, that is why Biden was able to SHAME black males who were thinking of voting for Trump.


Because even in lib think, you know that someone like Biden is fully capable of being politically aligned with black males and representing them.


So, yeah, this talk of us thinking he "Cares" for us, is you supporting a false meme.

These were the top issues

China isn’t even on the list. This China thing is a distraction. How is he going to raise wages for uneducated blue collar workers? By bringing jobs back home?

And how’s he going to lower prices? Drill baby drill?

And where is his alternative to Obamacare? It doesn’t exist.

 

[sealybobo]

Libtards barely ever heard of the word "tariff" before 2025, and now they're suddenly experts.

What about trump? Three weeks ago he was saying the word over and over again like he had just heard about them. And then said it’s the most beautiful word. Then he tanked the stock market in a day using them.

Clearly trump don’t know what tariffs are. Well he does now

 

[Rawley]

I'm not the one trying to push through some more tax cuts for the rich

You know taxes are going to be the same as they are today, don't you?

 

[sealybobo]

Whoa. You are serious and honestly addressing the point. Good that I was already sitting down.




It is not happening yet. IMO, our managers have had gotten fat and happy and fucking lazy and stupid, from having labor policy crafted SOLELY for their benefit for decades.







And not just uneducated blue collar workers. But for educated ones too. The way that labor moves from one category to another, means that pressure in one sector will bleed over. IMO.




Elon does have power in MAGA. So does the base. I look at the HB1 visas as the high water mark of THIS wave of our efforts. The question is is the water line going to be below or above this point.

First of all, note all the portion of this issue BELOW that point. Such as illegal immigration, legal immigraiton, trade, tariffs, and this is important, HOW SERIOUS ENFORCEMENT OF HB1 VISAS, is done.


HB1 visas where the enforcement of the requirements are serious and tough, as oposed to the status quo, where they were a rubber stamp, is a serious difference.


BUT to be clear, I agree with you, it is questionable questionable whether we, MAGA wins on the HB1 visas portion of this larger issue.


Musk has been doing great, from MAGA pov, but he is still a tech bro and there is a some conflict there.




Seelybobo, this post of yours was one of the best and most serious I have seen from a lib, in my entire life.

But you are still failing to grasp a very real difference here. The idea that one has to be part of a group in order to represent or serve them, is a lib idea that conservatives do not share. We KNOW that Musk is a billionaire, ie not a blue collar worker.


Also, it is worth noting that libs don't really believe that idea either, that is why Biden was able to SHAME black males who were thinking of voting for Trump.


Because even in lib think, you know that someone like Biden is fully capable of being politically aligned with black males and representing them.


So, yeah, this talk of us thinking he "Cares" for us, is you supporting a false meme.

Us libs just have different ideas how to fix what’s wrong in America. Ultimately, we both want to fix what’s wrong with America. So I’m going t9 hold trumps feet to the fire when it comes to fixing what’s wrong with America. Sorry if I’m skeptical and pessimistic

https://aitogether.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/November-top-voting-issues.png

 

[Dragonlady]

Graph shows no historic change until the Mail In Virus showed up.

Did your heroes in office stop it?

Why no they wanted MORE and under Biden MORE HAPPENED.

Then you clearly are incapable of reading the graph. But then any claims to economic intelligence you try to make have been debunked already.

The graph showed the national debt slowing throughout the Obama Administration, and basically flat when Trump took office, and then it immediately started to rise, and rising BIGTIME when the tax cuts clicked in.

Yes it got worse during covid, but if Trump hadn't cut taxes on the National Credit card, the economy would not have collapsed the way it did.

 

[Dragonlady]

You know taxes are going to be the same as they are today, don't you?

No they are not. That's the latest lie Trump is trying to use to pretend that extending his 2017 tax cuts won't add another $4 trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years. Trump is reducing the tax rates for corporations to 16%, and also for the wealthy. There are some crumbs of tax cuts for workers, but I'm guessing that no taxes on tips or overtime will be dropped as too expensive.

Please let us know where the USA is going to find anyone to buy their treasury bonds for still more of Trump's fiscal insanities, and bad ideas.

 

[forkup]

You know taxes are going to be the same as they are today, don't you?

Sure I do. Just like I know that if you do budget calculations, you don't include those that are set to expire. Unless you reup them in which case they are ADDED to the budget deficit. The cost doesn't magically disappear.

Although congress is trying it by doing some bookkeeping fraud. They are trying to claim that the budget deficit should not be calculated on total debt but on the difference between on year to the next.

It's like saying that if I buy a 100000 dollar car one year. And another one the year after that. My debt isn't going up because my expenses stayed the same.

 

[sealybobo]

Then you clearly are incapable of reading the graph. But then any claims to economic intelligence you try to make have been debunked already.

The graph showed the national debt slowing throughout the Obama Administration, and basically flat when Trump took office, and then it immediately started to rise, and rising BIGTIME when the tax cuts clicked in.

Yes it got worse during covid, but if Trump hadn't cut taxes on the National Credit card, the economy would not have collapsed the way it did.

And Clinton had a surplus.

The only reason Obama and Biden spent as much as they did was the messes bush and trump handed them. That and Obamacare and infrastructure spending.

Imagine if bush handed Obama the economy Clinton handed him. Republicans will make excuses about dot com bubbles. Trump even said they’re just jealous.

 

[sartre play]

China plays the long game.
And is busy making deals with other country's
Some who are now more willing,
than before all the tariff demands made on them.

 

[Dragonlady]

And Clinton had a surplus.

The only reason Obama and Biden spent as much as they did was the messes bush and trump handed them. That and Obamacare and infrastructure spending.

Imagine if bush handed Obama the economy Clinton handed him. Republicans will make excuses about dot com bubbles. Trump even said they’re just jealous.

Clinton was handed a mess as well. From the hangover of the Reagan economic crash,, and the Gulf War. Don't you remember the campaign slogan - "It's the economy, Stupid!".

The Republicans' dogged pursuit of the Clinton was revenge for Nixon, and Iran Contra under Reagan. They were determined to impeach a Democrat in revenge, even if they had to lie about him to do it.