What Is American Socialism, Communism, and Marxism: Open Q&A

[Missouri_Mike]

well because they don't have the natural resources of the richest country in the world, the USA. however they are a lot happier than we are according to those surveys, and Norway might be the richest country in the world they all get so much money from North Sea oil Etcetera... How can I get through to you LOL? We are the only modern country that doesn't have at least a one month paid vacation after 1 year of work. In France they get 6 weeks. And everyone has cheaper college and training than we have. we would be a lot better off than they are too because we are the richest. Also have to remember those countries well France has 60 million or so spain 45 Etcetera like that. Also we like England have a huge advantage in having the English channel and the Atlantic Ocean so we didn't really need an army until recently. and did not get conquered like the continental types. The fact that we think we are special makes for us being the most obnoxious people in the world according to many L O L... It is time for the English and Americans to get along..... In the age of the small world and the age of information.... It is happening.. Sure the Republicans and the Tories will go last kicking and screaming imperialist BS L O L

They don’t have natural resources yet Norway has tons of oil.

The rest of your post makes less sense than that.

When you sober up tomorrow try again.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

He is very theoretical and hypothetical and Dreamy lol

You’re as fucking stupid as he is.

 

[francoHFW]

They don’t have natural resources yet Norway has tons of oil.

The rest of your post makes less sense than that.

When you sober up tomorrow try again.

Way to miss the point as always, that Norway is the exception that proves the rule obviously. And they don't have coal and iron and uranium and copper zinc heavy metals everything we have, it is ridiculous...

 

[francoHFW]

You’re as fucking stupid as he is.

You're the damn Republican that thinks that socialism is communism and vice versa. Republicans are the stupidest voters in the world. He doesn't vote I expect....

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Hello everyone

I found the following threads in the politics section:​

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   Let’s Call Them What They Are: Communists
   First response anticipated from the leftist dummies on this board: “Oh, this article is from...
2. R
   Marxist, Communism, Socialism and Capitalism
   This is the question. Marxism: What It Is and Comparison to Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism KEY TAKEAWAYS Marxism is...
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   What IS National Socialism
   The terms Nazi and Neo-Nazi get thrown around a lot, usually as a shallow smear against people...
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   If Socialist Communism Spreads in the United States
   From the City-Data Forum. (Lifetime banned...so I opened up discussion here.) "If Socialist...

Hence, I decided to open this topic in the politics section, because none of the above threads were banned or deleted.

This thread is dedicated to discussing and understanding the concepts of American-born Socialism, Communism, and Marxism (the American democratic version of socialism/communism/Marxism - Socialism with American characteristics), among other related topics.

The purpose of this thread is to provide a platform for open and informed discussion. It is an opportunity for us to learn from each other, dispel misconceptions, and deepen our understanding of these political and economic topics.

I invite all of you, regardless of your current knowledge or beliefs, to ask questions, share insights, and contribute to the conversation. Whether you're a seasoned scholar, a curious observer, or someone who's just starting to explore these topics, your perspective is valuable and welcome here.

Some potential, opening topics to discuss:

Two types of communism. The pre-agrarian/hunter-gatherer, paleolithic, Primitive Communism of our ancestors:

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Marxist "High-Communism"/High-Tech Communism :

" a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state.[7][8][9] Communists often seek a voluntary state of self-governance but disagree on the means to this end. This reflects a distinction between a more libertarian approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and a more authoritarian vanguardist or communist party-driven approach through the development of a socialist state followed by the withering away of the state.[10] As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, communism is placed on the left-wing alongside socialism, and communist parties and movements have been described as radical left or far-left.[11][12][note 1]

Variants of communism have been developed throughout history, including anarchist communism, Marxist schools of thought, and religious communism, among others. Communism encompasses a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, Leninism, and libertarian communism, as well as the political ideologies grouped around those. All of these different ideologies generally share the analysis that the current order of society stems from capitalism, its economic system, and mode of production, that in this system there are two major social classes, that the relationship between these two classes is exploitative, and that this situation can only ultimately be resolved through a social revolution.[21][note 2] The two classes are the proletariat, who make up the majority of the population within society and must sell their labor power to survive, and the bourgeoisie, a small minority that derives profit from employing the working class through private ownership of the means of production.[23] According to this analysis, a communist revolution would put the working class in power,[24] and in turn establish common ownership of property, the primary element in the transformation of society towards a communist mode of production.[25][26][27]"

SOURCE: Communism - Wikipedia

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I can't wait till these morons starve to death

Like most democratic socialist parasites...it's probably a fat disheveled extremely violent FAG

 

[Red Front]

High tech communism eh? Who is building the mower you just go check out? Who is maintaining it? Who is inventing it?

I don’t get how nobody had to worry about mowing their lawn the government robots would do it but they are available to rent. Why the fuck would I go rent a mower if the government robot us coming by to do it?

I don’t need to start a lawn service because the government will do it. Then where the fuck do I work for 20 hours.

Why am I working 20 hours? I have a long list of goods and a life better than mine now but I go to what job for 20 hours to accomplish what?

I obviously have no skills. Do I go work the lawnmower rental desk where nobody will come because the government mows their lawns? Is that my new profession? I rent lawn mowers to nobody because they don’t need them.

Kinda makes me wonder if lawn mowers are so unnecessary who’s making all of these goods and services that are so plentiful?

We must have slaves somewhere making all of this happen.

High tech communism eh?

Yep.

Who is building the mower you just go check out?

In communism, the factories are under the management of both the workers and their government. The worker-councils, along with the labor unions, collaborate with the Central Logistics Department or CLD (CLOUD), to manufacture all of the lawnmowers. The whole process from mining the materials that comprise the lawnmower to the processing of those raw materials, to the transporting of those processed materials to the factory, and then the manufacturing of the lawnmower, is completely automated with very little human labor or "sweat" input. The human worker's role in the process of producing goods and services is mostly supervisorial.

When this American communist society is first establishing itself, before the supply chain and logistical infrastructure is fully developed and in place, there will be more human input or even labor-intensive work to be done, but eventually, when all of the intelligent automation systems are in place, the production of goods and services will be incredibly efficient and easy, requiring very little human labor, compared to today.

Who is maintaining it? Who is inventing it?

First question. In the beginning, before technology is advanced enough to maintain itself, people will maintain it. We still have to work 20 hours weekly, so there would be people working with the lawnmowers and other equipment at your local community center. Preferably, you would have this lawnmower robot at home, and you would maintain it.

Second question. These robot lawnmowers are already invented and they're being further developed now. But under communism in the future, people will innovate (teams of scientists and engineers) and so will artificial intelligence. AI has already invented a few things:

Can machines invent things? AI reveals the answer is 'yes'

AI could transform the process of invention and careful thought needs to be given to how the innovation system adapts

www.businessthink.unsw.edu.au

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I don’t get how nobody had to worry about mowing their lawn the government robots would do it

The robots will be owned by the people, not by the government. The government authorities are elected or appointed to their positions by elected officials and are all subject and accountable to the people.

I don’t need to start a lawn service because the government will do it. Then where the fuck do I work for 20 hours.

You will either have the robot lawnmower or a regular lawnmower at home, allowing you to take care of your own lawn, or you can go to the community center and "check out"/"sign out" a robot lawnmower.

As far as where you would work, for 20 hours weekly, you would receive many options. You can choose what you like best out of those options.

Why am I working 20 hours? I have a long list of goods and a life better than mine now but I go to what job for 20 hours to accomplish what?

There's still a place for human labor in the area of supporting and supervising automated systems. There are also a few jobs that only a human can do, hence society needs people to work. It's also good for one's mental and physical health, to engage in some type of constructive, creative activity. It also allows people to socialize with one another and develop a sense of community and patriotism. You might meet your spouse at work.

I obviously have no skills.

You would have skills if you lived in a communist society. Education and training are tuition-free and considered a right. People are encouraged to learn new skills.

Do I go work the lawnmower rental desk where nobody will come because the government mows their lawns? Is that my new profession? I rent lawn mowers to nobody because they don’t need them.

LOL, you're funny man. Either you would have the robot lawnmower or regular lawnmower with you at home, or you would go to the community center store and check one out. How exactly these goods would be stored and distributed would have to be worked out in detail. How automated is the system of storage and distribution? Maybe no one is needed to "man the desk". Maybe it's delivered to the home of the person who requested it online by a self-driven delivery vehicle.

Kinda makes me wonder if lawn mowers are so unnecessary who’s making all of these goods and services that are so plentiful? We must have slaves somewhere making all of this happen.

The automated systems/autonomous machines, work 24/7. Production would be extremely high and efficient. The slaves would be intelligent robots. All of that advanced technology would be serving the American public.

 

[Red Front]

I can't wait till these morons starve to death

Like most democratic socialist parasites...it's probably a fat disheveled extremely violent FAG

 

[Soupnazi630]

Maybe you are young or have forgotten how many lives & reputations were destroyed.
possibly you could do a little research?
That was a real black mark in our history.

None by Mccarthy

I have

No it was not, he was later proven correct

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

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I said I can't wait till they starve idiots like you to death
And more than likely youre probably just a typical leftwing fat violent fag ...definitely a parasite

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Well, do the Democrats admit they have open borders, don't prosecute criminals but we do go after crime victims, Biden did all the things they are going after Trump for, their endless printing money is what's rocketing inflation, that if we actually cared about green we'd be highlighting China not the US? Is there any policy the left is honest about? I know of none. The Republicans are a mixed bag, but the left lies about EVERYTHING and they have to or no one would support them except rightwinger

What a waste of a read. Thanks for nada. ^^

 

[Soupnazi630]

It gave us an accurate critique of capitalism and the economic system that will replace it in the not-too-distant future. Your grandchildren are going to be socialists. Guaranteed.

No it did not.

The marxist anaysis of capitalism is a massive failure.

Every prediction he made has turned out wrong and actually the opposite of his predictions. Those predictioms are based on his critique.

His labor theory of value has been massively and irrefutably DISPROVEN.

His correlation of commodity amiunts to nothing more than a Dad joke. His dialectic is nothing more than a ridiculously childish bianry which is out of touch with reality

Nothing in his critique of capitalism has been accurate. He was a total fool and grifter

 

[LuckyDuck]

I'm going to strictly address the basic topic: Marxism/Communism and why I believe that it should never be allowed to take over this nation.
1. All examples of Communism (Marx was a Communist and thus you can't separate the two) only allow the Communist Party to exist. All political opponents are rounded up and subsequently disappear. All Communist Party countries have what are referred to as "Death Squads). When a Communist nation wants to "make a point" to those demanding freedom, they send in the troops. A perfect example was the peaceful protest in Tiananmen Square, asking for freedom, by students. They weren't violent, just standing and sitting with signs requesting freedom. China's response, they gunned them all down. A few thousand of them. China made its point to the people.....NO FREEDOM. Everyone MUST do what the government says. That's Communism.
2. Many millions starve as Communist governments bureaucrats have no idea about how to handle food production and distribution.
3. If Communism takes over the US, the Bill of Rights ends, as of course, so too does the Constitution. No freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no right to bear arms, no right to due process of law, no right to unlawful entry into your home. Just knuckle under and obey.
4. No right to personal property in the form of a home. They'll just stuff people you don't know in with you.
All this is the goal of Klaus Schwab, the Communist running the World Economic Forum and his puppets in the US.

 

[Red Front]

I said I can't wait till they starve idiots like you to death
And more than likely youre probably just a typical leftwing fat violent fag ...definitely a parasite

Who's going to starve me? You're confused, get off the drugs.

 

[Red Front]

I'm going to strictly address the basic topic: Marxism/Communism and why I believe that it should never be allowed to take over this nation.
1. All examples of Communism (Marx was a Communist and thus you can't separate the two) only allow the Communist Party to exist. All political opponents are rounded up and subsequently disappear. All Communist Party countries have what are referred to as "Death Squads). When a Communist nation wants to "make a point" to those demanding freedom, they send in the troops. A perfect example was the peaceful protest in Tiananmen Square, asking for freedom, by students. They weren't violent, just standing and sitting with signs requesting freedom. China's response, they gunned them all down. A few thousand of them. China made its point to the people.....NO FREEDOM. Everyone MUST do what the government says. That's Communism.
2. Many millions starve as Communist governments bureaucrats have no idea about how to handle food production and distribution.
3. If Communism takes over the US, the Bill of Rights ends, as of course, so too does the Constitution. No freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no right to bear arms, no right to due process of law, no right to unlawful entry into your home. Just knuckle under and obey.
4. No right to personal property in the form of a home. They'll just stuff people you don't know in with you.
All this is the goal of Klaus Schwab, the Communist running the World Economic Forum and his puppets in the US.

Your post is full of rubbish.

 

[Red Front]

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As if there weren't famines under capitalism. There is zero evidence that the USSR was responsible for the Ukrainian famine. The Ukrainians were well accustomed to famines, every few years. Add the Kulaks (feudal aristocracy/wealthy land owners), burning fields, destroying equipment, and murdering farmers, to undermine the collectivization of farms, as the true culprit, along with the bad weather in 1932, which negatively affected crop yields throughout Europe, not just in Ukraine.

Chinese famine, highly exaggerated, capitalist propaganda inflates the numbers of people who died and forgets to mention that there were many famines in China before socialism. The socialists actually eliminated them by the late 1960s. The USSR also eliminated all of the famines that were once prevalent under the Tzars and feudalism.

Venezuela:

1. Heavy Reliance on Oil: Venezuela's economy has historically been overwhelmingly dependent on oil. By the 2010s, oil revenues accounted for about 95% of the country's export earnings. This dependence meant that any fluctuation in oil prices directly impacted the country's revenue.

2. Decline in Oil Prices: In 2014, there was a sharp decline in oil prices, dropping from over $100 a barrel to below $50 by 2015. This sudden decline hit Venezuela particularly hard. With a significant portion of its national revenue coming from oil, the country saw a drastic reduction in its income. Such a decline would have been challenging for any nation heavily reliant on a single export, regardless of its political or economic system.

3. U.S. Sanctions: Starting around 2017, the U.S. imposed sanctions on Venezuela, which further complicated the economic situation. These sanctions targeted specific individuals, the national oil company (PDVSA), and the Venezuelan government. They made it more difficult for Venezuela to sell oil to international markets and restricted the country's access to international financial systems. As a result, Venezuela found it challenging to acquire goods and services it needed, contributing to shortages and hyperinflation.

4. Lack of Diversification: The fundamental issue wasn't socialism per se, but rather the failure to diversify the economy beyond oil. Many countries, whether socialist or capitalist, have faced economic challenges when they've become overly dependent on a single resource or commodity.


Oh, almost forgot, Cambodia.

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Pol Pot wasn't even a Marxist. He even practiced a Cambodian version of Voodoo. He was crazy. The US actually facilitated his rise to power.

You're just a pretentious simpleton.

 

[22lcidw]

You're entitled to your opinion. I know I personally don't support authoritarianism. I'm for the rule of the people.



What "games" are you referring to and who are these "authoritarians"? Me? It's the capitalists, who are the true authoritarians. Have you ever participated in an election at your 9 to 5?

Any person of power who abuses another person causes other ideas for governing. whatever you support means nothing unless the globalist power structure in this world supports it. They have pushed socialism in different degrees and communism. Communism can be brutal. In China they have found a Communist leadership with a Capitalist production system to be adequate. And that Capitalist system have the peasants working like early capitalism in the United States and other nations. Authoritarians in the current American system are politicians, law enforcement, judicial system, protected groups, people of power through massive wealth, corrupted unions, and anything related. The tentacles reach into each of these groups and even has individuals represented form more than one. As a Communist you need to deal with this. Some of it you may support. You will have an issue as there are peasants paid well as compared to others not so much who may be smarter and better. And the pensions systems are uneven, and you know it.

 

[Red Front]

Any person of power who abuses another person causes other ideas for governing. whatever you support means nothing unless the globalist power structure in this world supports it. They have pushed socialism in different degrees and communism. Communism can be brutal. In China they have found a Communist leadership with a Capitalist production system to be adequate. And that Capitalist system have the peasants working like early capitalism in the United States and other nations. Authoritarians in the current American system are politicians, law enforcement, judicial system, protected groups, people of power through massive wealth, corrupted unions, and anything related. The tentacles reach into each of these groups and even has individuals represented form more than one. As a Communist you need to deal with this. Some of it you may support. You will have an issue as there are peasants paid well as compared to others not so much who may be smarter and better. And the pensions systems are uneven, and you know it.

1. 
   Global Power Structures: I completely agree with your point about the influence of global power structures. The issue is not exclusive to any particular economic or political ideology. It's about how power is wielded and to whose benefit. From a socialist perspective, the goal is to redistribute that power and wealth more equitably among the populace.
2. Socialism vs. Communism: Socialism and communism are distinct, although related, ideologies. While communism seeks a stateless, classless society, socialism can exist in many forms. For instance, the Nordic countries have implemented socialist policies within a democratic framework, leading to some of the world's highest living standards.
3. China's Model: China indeed has an interesting blend of communist leadership with capitalist market dynamics. This blend is unique and doesn't fit neatly into traditional Western categories of economic systems. I'd argue that the "peasant" labor conditions you mentioned are more a symptom of unchecked capitalism within their system, rather than an intrinsic aspect of communism. Historically, early capitalist systems, as you noted, have often relied on exploitative labor practices until workers' rights were established.
4. Authoritarianism: Authoritarian tendencies aren't exclusive to any one economic system. The U.S., despite being a capitalist nation, has seen its fair share of authoritarian practices, as you've pointed out. From a socialist perspective, the emphasis is on empowering workers and the general populace, ensuring that power dynamics are balanced.
5. Inequities in Compensation and Pensions: I agree with you. Inequalities do exist in various systems, including in compensation and pensions. Socialism strives to address these inequalities by ensuring that workers receive fair compensation for their labor and that there's a more equitable distribution of resources.

In conclusion, I think our shared concerns stem from the misuse of power and wealth concentration.

 

[CowboyTed]

Communism as an academic subject is a worthy thing to study as one of many political philosophies. As a political/social system it has a very bad history. If you are trying to sell it as such you would have a better chance at selling hereditary monarchy.

Lets look at Marxism:

What is Marxism in simple terms?
Marxism is a social, economic and political philosophy that analyses the impact of the ruling class on the laborers, leading to uneven distribution of wealth and privileges in the society. It stimulates the workers to protest the injustice.

So what that means organised labour force in unions is Marxism. So the US Constitution guarantees a major pillar of Marxism under the first amendment and the right to associate..

So to be anti-Marxist means you are against the US Constitution and thus against America...

This is the problem with making something the boogyman and everything is evil... So why are these anti-Marxist so anti America.

 

[SeaMajor7]

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No homo.