What Is a 'Well Regulated Militia,' Anyway?

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The Founders liked militias, but they also liked an armed citizenry. To them, the two ideas were inseparable.

Their argument is based on that amendment's reference to "a well regulated militia," which they define as a military force organized and supervised by the government. Outside a well-regulated militia, they suggest, the Second Amendment has no practical effect a lawmaker need respect. Some gun control advocates also argue that the descriptor well regulated implies that the government has wide latitude to decide who may have which weapons under what circumstances. But as the Supreme Court correctly concluded in Heller, these arguments are inconsistent with the text and context of the Second Amendment.

The structure of the Second Amendment has invited decades of dueling interpretations. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," it says, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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The structure has invited decades of dueling interpretations- interpretation(s) can't exist without definition(s)- words mean things
 

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The Founders liked militias, but they also liked an armed citizenry. To them, the two ideas were inseparable.

Their argument is based on that amendment's reference to "a well regulated militia," which they define as a military force organized and supervised by the government. Outside a well-regulated militia, they suggest, the Second Amendment has no practical effect a lawmaker need respect. Some gun control advocates also argue that the descriptor well regulated implies that the government has wide latitude to decide who may have which weapons under what circumstances. But as the Supreme Court correctly concluded in Heller, these arguments are inconsistent with the text and context of the Second Amendment.

The structure of the Second Amendment has invited decades of dueling interpretations. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," it says, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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The structure has invited decades of dueling interpretations- interpretation(s) can't exist without definition(s)- words mean things
It's certainly a lexicographical train wreck, isn't it. Gives the impression that either it wasn't taken that seriously, or that some rough draft squeaked through to the final form without anyone noticing.

The 2A is unique among all the Bill of Rights ---- indeed among all the Amendments period ---- in the subordinate clause it begins with, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ". No other Amendment goes out of its way to establish a basis of reasoning for itself, nor does any Amendment need to .... yet there it is, performing what function nobody knows.
 
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The 2A is unique among all the Bill of Rights ---- indeed among all the Amendments period ---- in the subordinate clause it begins with, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ". No other Amendment goes out of its way to establish a basis of reasoning for itself, nor does any Amendment need to .... yet there it is, performing what function nobody knows.
There is no train wreck except to people educated beyond their intellect. Words mean things, or they don't, If in fact they don't then what is the purpose of using them? Those educated beyond their intellect can't stand the idea that others have rights and are not answerable to their pseudo intellectual psychosis often referred to as sociopaths. The reqading of the constitution is not an esoteric endeavor except to control freaks, i.e., sociopaths.
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But whether we currently have a well-regulated militia doesn't control whether or not Americans have a right to keep and bear arms. The ideological background of the Second Amendment, the plain meaning of its operative clause, parallel phrasing elsewhere in the Constitution, and the militia clauses of Section I make it clear that they do. The Second Amendment, as Scalia rightly recognized, guarantees an individual right to the people, no matter how the federal government chooses to regulate the organized militia.

Scalia pointed out that the amendment refers to "the right of the people." When that language is used elsewhere in the Bill of Rights—in the First and Fourth Amendments, for example—it plainly means a right that belongs to every individual, as opposed to a collective with special properties, such as a militia. A prefatory clause mentioning a purpose, Scalia argued, is not sufficient to overwhelm the commonsense and contextual meaning of a right guaranteed to everyone. Furthermore, he said, contemporaneous usage makes it clear that the phrase bear arms cannot be restricted to a military context, as Justice John Paul Stevens suggested it should be in his dissent.
 

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The phrase "well regulated" during that period of time referred to the property of something being in proper working order. It had nothing to do with the government "regulating" the militia.


1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
 
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The phrase "well regulated" during that period of time referred to the property of something being in proper working order. It had nothing to do with the government "regulating" the militia.


1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
Yet the elite to continue to argue contrary to that.
 

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It means whatever the NRA says it means.
The NRA did not pen the US Constitution, they merely support and defend the Second Amendment and gun rights of American citizens. They're actually America's oldest civil rights organization.

It must suck for you guys and girls to not have a Second Amendment like we do. The best you can hope for is for the Bobbies to show up after you're murdered, so they can draw the chalk outlines around the body and clean up the blood.
 
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It means whatever the NRA says it means.
The NRA did not pen the US Constitution, they merely support and defend the Second Amendment and gun rights of American citizens.

It must suck for you guys and girls to not have a Second Amendment like we do. The best you can hope for is for the Bobbies to show up after you're murdered, so they can draw the chalk outlines around the body and clean up the blood.
Yes, all of my friends wish we had guns so we could be safe like in the US.
 

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The phrase "well regulated" during that period of time referred to the property of something being in proper working order. It had nothing to do with the government "regulating" the militia.
I think the best way to understand what was meant by a “well regulated militia” is to contrast it with a disorderly mob.
 

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It means whatever the NRA says it means.
The NRA did not pen the US Constitution, they merely support and defend the Second Amendment and gun rights of American citizens.

It must suck for you guys and girls to not have a Second Amendment like we do. The best you can hope for is for the Bobbies to show up after you're murdered, so they can draw the chalk outlines around the body and clean up the blood.
Yes, all of my friends wish we had guns so we could be safe like in the US.
You must be hanging out with the wrong caliber of "friends". Personally, there is no safer place in the world right now, than within my four walls. And I have enough firearms to start WW3. It's not like any of them are going to jump up and shoot you in ass or anything.
 

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It means whatever the NRA says it means.
The NRA did not pen the US Constitution, they merely support and defend the Second Amendment and gun rights of American citizens.

It must suck for you guys and girls to not have a Second Amendment like we do. The best you can hope for is for the Bobbies to show up after you're murdered, so they can draw the chalk outlines around the body and clean up the blood.
Yes, all of my friends wish we had guns so we could be safe like in the US.
Yeah, the muslim hordes are really making you idiots safe.
 
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It means whatever the NRA says it means.
The NRA did not pen the US Constitution, they merely support and defend the Second Amendment and gun rights of American citizens.

It must suck for you guys and girls to not have a Second Amendment like we do. The best you can hope for is for the Bobbies to show up after you're murdered, so they can draw the chalk outlines around the body and clean up the blood.
Yes, all of my friends wish we had guns so we could be safe like in the US.
Your safety is an obligation to you- not only does in involve the most basic right, choice, it also involves the most basic self preservation process- defending what is your's.
 

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I'm not an Originalist in any sense of the word ... but I do think it's important to keep in mind the problem the 2nd Amendment was meant to solve ... the previous 500 years of English histroy saw a tug-of-war between the Crown and Parliament as to who controlled the English military ... during the reign of George III, this balance was swung over to the Crown ... our rebellious forefathers decided forevermore to put control of the US military firmly in the hands of Congress ...

One of the safeguards against the President sending troops to fight wars willy-nilly was to model the US military after the English Baron's right to keep armies and make the King beg a promise rewards to the Barons to provide troops ... the President was to beg and promise rewards to the individual States to provide the troops ... we see this in the US Civil War, many groups are identified by the States from where they came: Tennessee's 2nd artillery company, New York's 4th infantry, the Army of Ohio ...

That was then and this is now ... obviously this one safeguard isn't necessary anymore and almost all military falls under the Dep't of Defense ... most States don't even have militias anymore ... one exception is the Maryland Defense Forces ... Who We Are ... "The Maryland Defense Force operates under the command of the Governor, as state Commander-in-Chief, and falls under the command and control of The Adjutant General of Maryland. State Defense Forces receive no federal funds and are supported entirely by the state." ... and the MDF is separate from the Nation Guard ...

It made sense back then for the citizen-soldiers to show up to muster with their own guns ... so we had to give them the right to own a gun ...
 

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It means whatever the NRA says it means.
The NRA did not pen the US Constitution, they merely support and defend the Second Amendment and gun rights of American citizens.

It must suck for you guys and girls to not have a Second Amendment like we do. The best you can hope for is for the Bobbies to show up after you're murdered, so they can draw the chalk outlines around the body and clean up the blood.
Yes, all of my friends wish we had guns so we could be safe like in the US.
You must be hanging out with the wrong caliber of "friends". Personally, there is no safer place in the world right now, than within my four walls. And I have enough firearms to start WW3. It's not like any of them are going to jump up and shoot you in ass or anything.

Tammy gets drunk and does crazy things.
 

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I'm not an Originalist in any sense of the word ... but I do think it's important to keep in mind the problem the 2nd Amendment was meant to solve ... the previous 500 years of English histroy saw a tug-of-war between the Crown and Parliament as to who controlled the English military ... during the reign of George III, this balance was swung over to the Crown ... our rebellious forefathers decided forevermore to put control of the US military firmly in the hands of Congress ...

One of the safeguards against the President sending troops to fight wars willy-nilly was to model the US military after the English Baron's right to keep armies and make the King beg a promise rewards to the Barons to provide troops ... the President was to beg and promise rewards to the individual States to provide the troops ... we see this in the US Civil War, many groups are identified by the States from where they came: Tennessee's 2nd artillery company, New York's 4th infantry, the Army of Ohio ...

That was then and this is now ... obviously this one safeguard isn't necessary anymore and almost all military falls under the Dep't of Defense ... most States don't even have militias anymore ... one exception is the Maryland Defense Forces ... Who We Are ... "The Maryland Defense Force operates under the command of the Governor, as state Commander-in-Chief, and falls under the command and control of The Adjutant General of Maryland. State Defense Forces receive no federal funds and are supported entirely by the state." ... and the MDF is separate from the Nation Guard ...

It made sense back then for the citizen-soldiers to show up to muster with their own guns ... so we had to give them the right to own a gun ...
It also makes sense in case the government tried to take the guns.
 
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so we had to give them the right to own a gun ...
We had to give them the right? Rights are inherent. They can't be given or taken, only restricted. Privilege is given and often taken. Power is given and often (though not often enough) taken.
Your confusion is indicative of society in general.
 

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It means whatever the NRA says it means.
The NRA did not pen the US Constitution, they merely support and defend the Second Amendment and gun rights of American citizens.

It must suck for you guys and girls to not have a Second Amendment like we do. The best you can hope for is for the Bobbies to show up after you're murdered, so they can draw the chalk outlines around the body and clean up the blood.
Yes, all of my friends wish we had guns so we could be safe like in the US.
You must be hanging out with the wrong caliber of "friends". Personally, there is no safer place in the world right now, than within my four walls. And I have enough firearms to start WW3. It's not like any of them are going to jump up and shoot you in ass or anything.

Tammy gets drunk and does crazy things.
"Tammy" ... :lol:
 

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