What is a "Progressive"?

[kaz]

Hmmm, the ones who advocated Socialism and Soviet Central Planning are "Progressives"

If leftists, progressives and Democrats are in fact different in any way, then it is their job to explain how by showing actual issues and policies they differ on. I ask one after another, like [MENTION=15512]Dante[/MENTION] what the difference is, and they can't name any specific difference at all. Not even one.

 

[Nosmo King]

Could you provide a few examples? Liberals love to claim credit for everything they think is good but not so much the bad. I can't think of one thing that can be credited to progressives.

Lincoln would be my answer to your question. Yes liberal/progressives love to take credit for Lincoln but he CONSERVED the union and freed the slaves a very conservative thing to do. Democrats/liberals/progressives, actually did put them all in chains.

While the contemporary Conservative wants to shrink the size and influence of the federal government, Lincoln fought a war to preserve the power of the federal government! Conservatives cannot claim Lincoln.

If that were actually true you would be on to something. Lincoln repeatedly said he was fighting the war to preserve the Union and end slavery. Lost causers keep wanting to make the war about states rights but in reality it was all about democrats keep men in chains.

But, as for examples, let's look at women's rights. Do you think Phyllis Schlafly was a Liberal? She provided a good part of the resistance to the women's movement. Gloria Steinhem, Helen Gurlie Brown and other Liberals were at the vanguard of the movement.

Again, liberals/progressives try and take credit for everything they think turned out well regardless of their influence. Yes, these women went against the establishment and to form a more perfect union but that does not in and of itself make them progressive/liberals or conservatives. They were what they were correcting a wrong.

Civil rights? Do you think that George Wallace, Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox and David Duke were/are tree hugging Liberals? Any of those rogues would be welcomed like old lodge brothers at any Conservative rally.

So writes the history as told by progressives. The scenario is always the same. The liberal/progressive laws down their version of conservatives then proceed to argue to that presupposition.

I've answered some of your questions. Now reciprocate if you please. Name one Conservative who has ever championed any societal change that resulted in equal justice, egalitarianism or personal liberties.

Lincoln was more conservative then liberal. You didn't name one thing a progressive did. You name generalities and accused, as do all liberals, conservatives of everything bad and liberals of everything you think end up good.

The thing is if I name 100 people you will just claim they were liberals because something changed for a positive outcome. Nixon started the EPA, are you going to claim him as a conservative or liberal? Lincoln preserved he union yet somehow you claim him to be a liberal. I might even agree with you if it were not for boards like this where I get to see liberals in action and how they treat minorities not in the democrat camp.

Where is he? Where is the Conservative who championed Civil Rights? Women's Rights? Worker's Rights? Gay Rights? Where is he? Who is he? Who is the Conservative who campaigned to save the environment? Who is the Conservative who campaigned to stop child labor? Where is the Conservative who worked to end Jim Crow? Whon is he? Where has he been? Name him please!

 

[Vox]

Hmmm, the ones who advocated Socialism and Soviet Central Planning are "Progressives"

If leftists, progressives and Democrats are in fact different in any way, then it is their job to explain how by showing actual issues and policies they differ on. I ask one after another, like [MENTION=15512]Dante[/MENTION] what the difference is, and they can't name any specific difference at all. Not even one.

because there is no difference at all.

they ARE the same.

 

[Plasmaball]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

now had this been a lefty asking what a conservative is you and others would be on here trolling the living shit out of it, and stating that the OP has no clue.

So......there really is no need to answer because you already made up your own version of what a progressive is.

 

[kwc57]

I consider a Progressive to be someone who does the right thing/solution regardless of social mores that may be ruffled. Thats why I'm not a Democrat because they have narrow guidelines for their party plank. I take the right solution, wherever it comes from, and implement it. Therefore, there are no "central ideas" as in the two major corrupt parties.

does that help?

So you're Tea Party.......

uh no Many tea partiers are SOCONs

Not sure why that is an issue for you, progressives are social liberals......just the flip side of the coin.

 

[norwegen]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

BTW, Ed Schultz supports the Keystone Pipeline, you should have watched more - but you're willfully ignorant.


progressive

1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.

3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

4. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.

To a progressive, government may progress. Doing so, it facilitates the progression of society. Fair enough.

That is a fundamental difference between us.

In the conservative mind, a constrained government with a permanent foundation (natural law) does not contravene society's progress. Progress doesn't depend on government; it depends on individuals. As Calvin Coolidge said, "We live in an age of science and of abounding accumulation of material things. These did not create our Declaration. Our Declaration created them."

I understand and appreciate the many definitions of progressive that progressives have, but to my dying day, I'll never understand why anyone would want to put an end to a thing proved so lovely as our pre-Progressive Era government.

 

[Nosmo King]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

BTW, Ed Schultz supports the Keystone Pipeline, you should have watched more - but you're willfully ignorant.


progressive

1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.

3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

4. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.

To a progressive, government may progress. Doing so, it facilitates the progression of society. Fair enough.

That is a fundamental difference between us.

In the conservative mind, a constrained government with a permanent foundation (natural law) does not contravene society's progress. Progress doesn't depend on government; it depends on individuals. As Calvin Coolidge said, "We live in an age of science and of abounding accumulation of material things. These did not create our Declaration. Our Declaration created them."

I understand and appreciate the many definitions of progressive that progressives have, but to my dying day, I'll never understand why anyone would want to put an end to thing proved so lovely as our pre-Progressive Era government.

For justice. For fairness. For an end to exploitation. For the simple recognition that minorities, women, children and the poor deserve equal treatment under law as the wealthy, the white, the male.

To end Jim Crow. To end child labor. To grant women economic and reproductive freedom. To help create a safer workplace and a cleaner environment. To end the notion that there are second class citizens of the United States of America.

Those are some reasons for not going back to the Pre-Progressive Era government.

 

[oldfart]

The Progressive Movement began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work. The reformers spoke out about the need for laws regulating tenement housing and child labor. They also called for better working conditions for women.[11] It also caused the development to progressive education.

Political parties such as the Progressive Party were organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism was embraced in the administrations of American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson"

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm, the ones who advocated Socialism and Soviet Central Planning are "Progressives"

To understand the Progressive Movement and its lasting effects on the Democratic and Republican parties you have to look to the election of 1912. There were four viable candidates and in most states it was a real four way race. Taft and Roosevelt started out as friends and political allies so that when Teddy stepped down, it was Taft's turn. Taft actually turned out to be more of a trust-buster and environmentalist than Teddy had been until 1910 when Taft fired Pinchot, and veered to a conservative position on the tariff and anti-trust policy, but that gets glossed over in in the acrimonious personal conflict they engaged in in the 1912 Republican primaries. Teddy got the most votes but Taft ended up with most of the delegates. The Republican Party splintered into two wings which persisted into the 70s.

But Wilson had competition on the left from the Socialist Party. In fact 1912 was the high water mark of the Socialist Party in American elections, and in a 4 way race it was always possible for Debs to take away enough votes to put Wilson behind either Taft or Roosevelt in a given state. Paradoxically, the "progressive" vote split three ways (four if you count LaFollette in the Republican primaries) while Taft was the only clear conservative candidate. Wilson developed a strategy of holding the Democratic South by appeals to racism and hoping to split the vote elsewhere. It worked, and the 1912 election was the prototype for the Democratic Party through the 70s.

So in 1912 the Republican Party had split into conservative and progressive wings and the Democratic Party had shifted toward a racist policy in the South while developing an urban constituency elsewhere. We are still experiencing the fallout from that election.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

now had this been a lefty asking what a conservative is you and others would be on here trolling the living shit out of it, and stating that the OP has no clue.

So......there really is no need to answer because you already made up your own version of what a progressive is.

"I don't know" would have been an acceptable answer from you

 

[CrusaderFrank]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

BTW, Ed Schultz supports the Keystone Pipeline, you should have watched more - but you're willfully ignorant.


1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.

3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

4. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.

The guest was the self described 'Progressive', Freddo

 

[norwegen]

BTW, Ed Schultz supports the Keystone Pipeline, you should have watched more - but you're willfully ignorant.


progressive

1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.

3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

4. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.

To a progressive, government may progress. Doing so, it facilitates the progression of society. Fair enough.

That is a fundamental difference between us.

In the conservative mind, a constrained government with a permanent foundation (natural law) does not contravene society's progress. Progress doesn't depend on government; it depends on individuals. As Calvin Coolidge said, "We live in an age of science and of abounding accumulation of material things. These did not create our Declaration. Our Declaration created them."

I understand and appreciate the many definitions of progressive that progressives have, but to my dying day, I'll never understand why anyone would want to put an end to thing proved so lovely as our pre-Progressive Era government.

For justice. For fairness. For an end to exploitation. For the simple recognition that minorities, women, children and the poor deserve equal treatment under law as the wealthy, the white, the male.

To end Jim Crow. To end child labor. To grant women economic and reproductive freedom. To help create a safer workplace and a cleaner environment. To end the notion that there are second class citizens of the United States of America.

Those are some reasons for not going back to the Pre-Progressive Era government.

Like the Progressive writers of the early twentieth century, the principles of our founding are repugnant to you. Correct?

 

[Nosmo King]

To a progressive, government may progress. Doing so, it facilitates the progression of society. Fair enough.

That is a fundamental difference between us.

In the conservative mind, a constrained government with a permanent foundation (natural law) does not contravene society's progress. Progress doesn't depend on government; it depends on individuals. As Calvin Coolidge said, "We live in an age of science and of abounding accumulation of material things. These did not create our Declaration. Our Declaration created them."

I understand and appreciate the many definitions of progressive that progressives have, but to my dying day, I'll never understand why anyone would want to put an end to thing proved so lovely as our pre-Progressive Era government.

For justice. For fairness. For an end to exploitation. For the simple recognition that minorities, women, children and the poor deserve equal treatment under law as the wealthy, the white, the male.

To end Jim Crow. To end child labor. To grant women economic and reproductive freedom. To help create a safer workplace and a cleaner environment. To end the notion that there are second class citizens of the United States of America.

Those are some reasons for not going back to the Pre-Progressive Era government.

Like the Progressive writers of the early twentieth century, the principles of our founding are repugnant to you. Correct?

No, repugnant is't the word. What businessmen and slave holders and a government that willfully looked the other way in explicit compliance with injustice was, indeed repugnant. The founders were incomplete due to their own 18th century circumstances. They did, however, provide the means to amend their initial work. And that was forward thinking. They recognized that changes were necessary. But political ideologues on the Right continued to supply the resistance to changes. That made change not merely common sense, but a political struggle which remains to this day.

 

[norwegen]

In my humble opinion, Nosmo King is a genius! ~ norwegen*


* Not an original norwegenism.

 

[Contumacious]

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

Let us clarify that democrats , republicans (surrender caucus) , liberals , and conservatives can be progressives.

ANY individual who believes that the government must actively interfere , intervene, in the economy in order to accomplish certain outcomes is a progressive.

Progressivism is an euphemism for fascism and socialism.

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…"

The Communist Manifesto.

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[The T]

Progressive is codespeak for Socialist or Communist.

It's a mask...a mask that hides their true intent.

 

[The T]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

now had this been a lefty asking what a conservative is you and others would be on here trolling the living shit out of it, and stating that the OP has no clue.

So......there really is no need to answer because you already made up your own version of what a progressive is.

"I don't know" would have been an acceptable answer from you

Brevity is the soul of wit. PlasDork has yet to learn that lesson.

 

[RandallFlagg]

If you are living in a double wide, the rich don't care about you, Cleetus.

I'm hoping on some level, you get that.

The rich are rich because we have a system where wealth accumulates in a few hands, and politicians can be bought. If you haven't figured that one out yet, you just aren't very bright, are you.

Have fun in your double wide, man. The possum hunt starts later.

What a dumbass comment (figures). I live in a 4 bedroom 2900 square foot home on 260 acres that I own in Montana and I will bet you a dollar to a donut that the "rich" couldn't care less. I worked for EVERY penny that I used to pay for this home - from working for those "rich" guys. They provided me with a fine living and I am forever grateful for their "richness".

Jesus, you envious bastards. I'll ask the same question that I ask of any other idiot that hates the rich - if YOU have a job (I am supposing that you live off Uncle Sugar) but IF you have a job tell me this (and be truthful): Do you work for a poor person? Do you work for some bum that lives under a bridge? Was the person who hired you on food stamps? Does he pay you in Food Stamps? -OR- Does he pay you from the profits of the company that HE invested in, used HIS money to start?

You might consider these things before you continually bit the hand that feeds you.

Now, head back to your refrigerator box - it's cold as hell outside!

Not everyone is as good at kissing rich man ass as you are, and boy I bet you can pucker with the best of them. Sarcasm aside, the person who saw their job flee to China has nothing to be grateful to the rich for. Same goes for the person who lost their retirement savings or thier house to medical bankruptcy. Most people who work do not get nice houses and huge tracts of land, they get the least that the miserly assholes can possibly part with along with copious reminders that you are just not worth a penny more.

Where the hell did you EVER get the idea that the job you worked at was "yours"? Where was it EVER put in writing that YOU have a RIGHT to anything? I personally know several people who lost their jobs to downsizing, moves to India and China and a host of any other things. Did they sit around and whine about their "bad luck" and the evil "capitalists" that "stole" their jobs? No. They picked themselves up, regrouped, and marched on.

You marxists live in a world of fantasy

 

[The T]

What a dumbass comment (figures). I live in a 4 bedroom 2900 square foot home on 260 acres that I own in Montana and I will bet you a dollar to a donut that the "rich" couldn't care less. I worked for EVERY penny that I used to pay for this home - from working for those "rich" guys. They provided me with a fine living and I am forever grateful for their "richness".

Jesus, you envious bastards. I'll ask the same question that I ask of any other idiot that hates the rich - if YOU have a job (I am supposing that you live off Uncle Sugar) but IF you have a job tell me this (and be truthful): Do you work for a poor person? Do you work for some bum that lives under a bridge? Was the person who hired you on food stamps? Does he pay you in Food Stamps? -OR- Does he pay you from the profits of the company that HE invested in, used HIS money to start?

You might consider these things before you continually bit the hand that feeds you.

Now, head back to your refrigerator box - it's cold as hell outside!

Not everyone is as good at kissing rich man ass as you are, and boy I bet you can pucker with the best of them. Sarcasm aside, the person who saw their job flee to China has nothing to be grateful to the rich for. Same goes for the person who lost their retirement savings or thier house to medical bankruptcy. Most people who work do not get nice houses and huge tracts of land, they get the least that the miserly assholes can possibly part with along with copious reminders that you are just not worth a penny more.

Where the hell did you EVER get the idea that the job you worked at was "yours"? Where was it EVER put in writing that YOU have a RIGHT to anything? I personally know several people who lost their jobs to downsizing, moves to India and China and a host of any other things. Did they sit around and whine about their "bad luck" and the evil "capitalists" that "stole" their jobs? No. They picked themselves up, regrouped, and marched on.

You marxists live in a world of fantasy

Indeed they do. JOBS belong to the people that create them and they have a purpose. NO ONE is entitled to a 'Job'...

 

[thereisnospoon]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

The term progressive was invented to stop people from using "liberal".
The term "liberal" carries a negative connotation.
Sort of like when the term "global warming" was rejected, the people in that camp invented "climate change"..
A progressive is a socialist. Pure and simple.
I see no differences between the two.
Socialists believe in ham handed government. So do lib/progressives.
Socialists believe in redistribution of wealth be political fiat, so do lib/progressives.
Socialists believe in confiscatory taxation and ever expanding social programs with no accountability and so do lib/progressives.
Socialists believe in dependency upon government. So do lib/progressives.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The opposite of "Regressive"?

Incorrect contextual use.