What is a "Progressive"?

[The T]

democracy - definition of democracy by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Please explain exactly how this nation does not embrace democracy?

I didn't say it doesn't. I said it didn't.

You progressives have changed it.

Semantic squirming.

NO...TRUTH. YOU can't handle it. YOU changed the terms. Don't deny it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The Founding Fathers were progressives!

So, by your thinking, the founding fathers didn't believe in individual freedom despite the fact that the documents they wrote guaranteed our freedoms?

Are you crazy?

They may not have been conservatives with sticks up their butts, but they were not Anti-American Progressives

The original Constitution did not guarantee any freedoms. In fact it endorsed slavery. The BoR was a post facto AMENDMENT to the original Constitution largely inspired by the progressive Madison.

The BoR was a post facto AMENDMENT to the original Constitution

ratifying the Constitution was dependent on attaching a list of amendments

The original Constitution did not guarantee any freedoms.

the Constitution places limits on the federal government

In fact it endorsed slavery.

prohibiting the importing of slaves according to the Constitution started in 1808

prior to that a tax was added for doing so

to limit the slave states from gaining power

the 3/5ths clause was added

 

[norwegen]

democracy - definition of democracy by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Please explain exactly how this nation does not embrace democracy?

I didn't say it doesn't. I said it didn't.

You progressives have changed it.

Semantic squirming.

Yes, that's exactly what you were doing.

You attended a government school, Child. We have a remedy. Really.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Liberals, Progressives if you will, drive history. We make the changes in our American society that are responsible for American progress.

Think about it. Each and every time we change for the better, it is due to Liberals and Liberal policy. Who provided the resistance to change? Conservatives. Did Conservatives rally in support of child labor laws? How about Civil Rights? The movement to save our ecology? Worker place safety issues? Worker's rights? Women's rights? Marriage equality? The end of Jim Crow and before that slavery? All these changes are part and parcel of Liberal ideology. No Conservative lifted as finger to make these necessary changes. In fact, they resisted these changes and made what should have been common sense reform into a struggle for fairness and equality.

Name the Conservative who ever did anything to further the aspirations of equal treatment under the law and egalitarianism.

Could you provide a few examples? Liberals love to claim credit for everything they think is good but not so much the bad. I can't think of one thing that can be credited to progressives.

Lincoln would be my answer to your question. Yes liberal/progressives love to take credit for Lincoln but he CONSERVED the union and freed the slaves a very conservative thing to do. Democrats/liberals/progressives, actually did put them all in chains.

While the contemporary Conservative wants to shrink the size and influence of the federal government, Lincoln fought a war to preserve the power of the federal government! Conservatives cannot claim Lincoln.

But, as for examples, let's look at women's rights. Do you think Phyllis Schlafly was a Liberal? She provided a good part of the resistance to the women's movement. Gloria Steinhem, Helen Gurlie Brown and other Liberals were at the vanguard of the movement.

Civil rights? Do you think that George Wallace, Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox and David Duke were/are tree hugging Liberals? Any of those rogues would be welcomed like old lodge brothers at any Conservative rally.

I've answered some of your questions. Now reciprocate if you please. Name one Conservative who has ever championed any societal change that resulted in equal justice, egalitarianism or personal liberties.

Dredging up the past does not strengthen your argument.
These people were of the classic liberal mindset. They all believed in liberty and the rights of the individual.
The anti-civil rights people above were not conservatives. They were radical in their approach. Their racism defined them.
What about "women's rights"?. Try to be more specific. You libs are famous for throwing around invectives.

 

[The T]

The government put a man on the moon in 1969.

The private sector is only about to achieve "suborbital spaceflight" 45 years later?

AND they couldn't have done it WITHOUT WHAT?

YOU just can't understand this, can you?

Ironic!

Translation: *I* Derideo_Te, LOST the argument and have nothing else to add but rhetoric.

Yeah YOU. *BYE*

 

[thereisnospoon]

Me too..

Soooooo, you're idea of a progressive is a lady who sells insurance. More proof that you guys really don't know what you are.

Flo is.....HOT!

Reason I became a Progressive

"Flo is.....HOT!"....
Glad for you.
UGH!!!!

 

[jon_berzerk]

Liberals and Democrats seem to have this mistaken idea that a government of, for, and by the people is a democracy, yet the founders relegated democracy to the lower house and nowhere else. The founders were wise enough to know that when passions govern a society, the society becomes factionalized.

Are you making an excuse for the Tea Party faction's passionate obstruction in the House? Care to explain the same obstruction in the Senate that has been there since 2009?

As a matter of course they ARE obstructing...THUS protecting even your rights. But YOU are partisan and NOT expected to see it.

As a matter of course they ARE obstructing...THUS protecting even your rights. But YOU are partisan and NOT expected to see it

would you expect any less

at the SOTU the the prezbo says that he is going to take the power of congress

and the people away

and just write his own laws

and ALL of the leftists and(McCain) stood up and cheered

 

[The T]

Are you making an excuse for the Tea Party faction's passionate obstruction in the House? Care to explain the same obstruction in the Senate that has been there since 2009?

As a matter of course they ARE obstructing...THUS protecting even your rights. But YOU are partisan and NOT expected to see it.

As a matter of course they ARE obstructing...THUS protecting even your rights. But YOU are partisan and NOT expected to see it

would you expect any less

at the SOTU the the prezbo says that he is going to take the power of congress

and the people away

and just write his own laws

and ALL of the leftists and(McCain) stood up and cheered

Precisely. And BHO is ALLOWED to get away with proclaiming himself the NEW King...DREAM of his father.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Founding Fathers implemented the "great experiment" with We the People governing ourselves. There is no way you can spin that as anything but progressive.

A self-governing nation is a sovereign nation. Progressivism is democracy, which is a form of government that eighteenth century Americans did not want.

democracy - definition of democracy by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

de·moc·ra·cy (dĭ-mŏk′rə-s&#275
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

de•moc•ra•cy (dɪˈmɒk rə si)

n., pl. -cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5. the common people, esp. with respect to their political power.

democracy
a form of government in which sovereign power resides in the people and is exercised by them or by officers they elect to represent them. Cf. republicanism. — democrat, n. — democratic, adj.

Please explain exactly how this nation does not embrace democracy?

We are not a democracy. Democracy is tyranny. 50% plus one is not efficient. Nor is it just.
Hence the reason for a representative republic, staggered terms for Sens and Reps and proportional representation in the House for each state.

 

[The T]

Soooooo, you're idea of a progressive is a lady who sells insurance. More proof that you guys really don't know what you are.

Flo is.....HOT!

Reason I became a Progressive

"Flo is.....HOT!"....
Glad for you.
UGH!!!!

Seen too many Photoshopped risqué pics of that wench...

 

[American4Americ]

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

What is a Nazi? That is the answer.

 

[jon_berzerk]

As a matter of course they ARE obstructing...THUS protecting even your rights. But YOU are partisan and NOT expected to see it.

As a matter of course they ARE obstructing...THUS protecting even your rights. But YOU are partisan and NOT expected to see it

would you expect any less

at the SOTU the the prezbo says that he is going to take the power of congress

and the people away

and just write his own laws

and ALL of the leftists and(McCain) stood up and cheered

Precisely. And BHO is ALLOWED to get away with proclaiming himself the NEW King...DREAM of his father.

the prezbo finds himself a little more disappointed everyday

his communist dream will not be realized

 

[The T]

A self-governing nation is a sovereign nation. Progressivism is democracy, which is a form of government that eighteenth century Americans did not want.

democracy - definition of democracy by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

de·moc·ra·cy (dĭ-mŏk′rə-s&#275
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

de•moc•ra•cy (dɪˈmɒk rə si)

n., pl. -cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5. the common people, esp. with respect to their political power.

democracy
a form of government in which sovereign power resides in the people and is exercised by them or by officers they elect to represent them. Cf. republicanism. — democrat, n. — democratic, adj.

Please explain exactly how this nation does not embrace democracy?

We are not a democracy. Democracy is tyranny. 50% plus one is not efficient. Nor is it just.
Hence the reason for a representative republic, staggered terms for Sens and Reps and proportional representation in the House for each state.

WE are a nation of LAW not of men, The Progressives understand this. SO? Craft law that gives them power and circumvents The Constitution unchallenged...THAT is how they are taking away our liberties, and GAINING Control.

WE the PEOPLE need to challenge...APATHY not accepted.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Government produced the vision, the incentive and the funding to put a man on the moon. If was left up to the private sector you would still be using a landline phone and the postal service.

Bullshit

Virgin Galactic's Billionaire Founder Sir Richard Branson Takes Zero-G Flight


Branson has said he and his family will be aboard Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo when the vehicle makes its first commercial suborbital spaceflight later this year."

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The government put a man on the moon in 1969.

The private sector is only about to achieve "suborbital spaceflight" 45 years later?

no..The government developed the idea. The private sector achieved it.
Umm, your Obama shut down the space program.
Now the private sector is developing new technology for space travel.
Anyway, we're not talking about government in that arena.
This is about those who have a particular ideology using government for their own purposes. They convince government officials to use the threat of government sanctions to for compliance with their ideology.

 

[Amelia]

Apparently progressivism is giving the people the choice to let other people subsidize their healthcare while they sit back and voluntarily take part-time work or no work.

But what will progressivism be when too many people choose that option and there isn't enough money left to pay for the people who want their laid-back lifestyles financed by taxpayers?

Just curious

 

[The T]

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Bullshit

Virgin Galactic's Billionaire Founder Sir Richard Branson Takes Zero-G Flight


Branson has said he and his family will be aboard Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo when the vehicle makes its first commercial suborbital spaceflight later this year."

.

The government put a man on the moon in 1969.

The private sector is only about to achieve "suborbital spaceflight" 45 years later?

no..The government developed the idea. The private sector achieved it.
Umm, your Obama shut down the space program.
Now the private sector is developing new technology for space travel.
Anyway, we're not talking about government in that arena.
This is about those who have a particular ideology using government for their own purposes. They convince government officials to use the threat of government sanctions to for compliance with their ideology.

SpaceX

Indeed...Private enterprise or the RUSSIANS that aren't exactly FANS of us or Obama...

 

[Contumacious]

Government produced the vision, the incentive and the funding to put a man on the moon. If was left up to the private sector you would still be using a landline phone and the postal service.

Bullshit

Virgin Galactic's Billionaire Founder Sir Richard Branson Takes Zero-G Flight


Branson has said he and his family will be aboard Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo when the vehicle makes its first commercial suborbital spaceflight later this year."

.

The government put a man on the moon in 1969.

The private sector is only about to achieve "suborbital spaceflight" 45 years later?

NASA: Exemplary of Government Waste

Individuals claim that a majority of NASA’s funding is spent on the exploration of new useful technologies.

It is also a myth that NASA created such technologies as Velcro, Tang and those famous memory-cell mattresses. In reality, the maker of Velcro was a private engineer with a bright idea, Tang was created by the General Foods Corporation, and the Tempur-Pedic company developed those memory-cell mattresses for use on NASA flights.


The government agency has spent close to $150 billion dollars simply on the shuttle program, which calculates to about $1.3 billion per launch.

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[The T]

All yours Frank. Stomping complete.

Regards,

~T

On the last flight out of LAX to JFK tonight I watched 5 minutes of MSNBC and heard Ed Shultz and guests describe the "Progressive" solution to US energy (hint: they're against oil but love solar and wind and other things that just don't make economic sense) and I wondered:

What is a 'Progressive'?

What are the central ideas and beliefs that make someone a Progressive rather than a Liberal or a Democrat?

 

[Indeependent]

I'm sure NASA has invented NOTHING!

 

[jon_berzerk]

Apparently progressivism is giving the people the choice to let other people subsidize their healthcare while they sit back and voluntarily take part-time work or no work.

But what will progressivism be when too many people choose that option and there isn't enough money left to pay for the people who want their laid-back lifestyles financed by taxpayers?

Just curious

But what will progressivism be when too many people choose that option and there isn't enough money left to pay for the people who want their laid-back lifestyles

there is a reason homeland security is grabbing up

as much ammo as they can