What if we had a Libertarian led government?

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Imho it would lead quickly to citizen revolt once most of the govt that actually helped the people went away.
How would libertarians handle that?
 

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I'm not sure what you mean?

Would everything, from schools to roads to police and fire stations be privatized then?

No taxes?


Explain please!
 

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Libertarians don't Believe in ALL Government or Programs to be gone.

We just realize there are a lot of Programs out there that do more harm than good and are wasting Tax Payer money.
 

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There wouldn't be a complete end of all entitlement programs over night. You can't simply take away Social Security from those who have paid into it their whole lives and are now dependent on it. However, you can shore up those programs by changing our militaristic foreign policy to a non-interventionist foreign policy and diverting those funds. Then those who are dependent on those programs can still use them, and those who are not can then begin to keep more of their own money and make their own plans for their future.
 

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everyone would be allowed to possess their own nuke, right kev?
 

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There wouldn't be a complete end of all entitlement programs over night. You can't simply take away Social Security from those who have paid into it their whole lives and are now dependent on it. However, you can shore up those programs by changing our militaristic foreign policy to a non-interventionist foreign policy and diverting those funds. Then those who are dependent on those programs can still use them, and those who are not can then begin to keep more of their own money and make their own plans for their future.

What if it's a Genocide issue? :eusa_eh:
 

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everyone would be allowed to possess their own nuke, right kev?

Still stuck on that? Regardless, were the Libertarian Party to miraculously get a majority in both the House and Senate and win the Presidency I doubt nukes would become legal to obtain.
 

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There wouldn't be a complete end of all entitlement programs over night. You can't simply take away Social Security from those who have paid into it their whole lives and are now dependent on it. However, you can shore up those programs by changing our militaristic foreign policy to a non-interventionist foreign policy and diverting those funds. Then those who are dependent on those programs can still use them, and those who are not can then begin to keep more of their own money and make their own plans for their future.

What if it's a Genocide issue? :eusa_eh:

I don't understand what you mean.
 

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There wouldn't be a complete end of all entitlement programs over night. You can't simply take away Social Security from those who have paid into it their whole lives and are now dependent on it. However, you can shore up those programs by changing our militaristic foreign policy to a non-interventionist foreign policy and diverting those funds. Then those who are dependent on those programs can still use them, and those who are not can then begin to keep more of their own money and make their own plans for their future.

What if it's a Genocide issue? :eusa_eh:

I don't understand what you mean.

Meaning..

If there is a Tyrannical Leader killing its own people are we gonna stand back or act?
 

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Imho it would lead quickly to citizen revolt once most of the govt that actually helped the people went away.
How would libertarians handle that?

Agreed. It would be a friggin mess. The entitlement generation is huge. You take that away and they'd revolt. Even our economic systems rely on entitlement programs. Most people can't handle freedom. The best we can hope for is for our government to pay off our debt and try to wean people off government assistance. Obviously, that'll never happen. Meanwhile, the true freedom lovers will continue doing what they've been doing: move their wealth offshore in preparation for the fall of the US. The US will NEVER pay off the debt, ever. We're too far gone.
 

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Meaning..

If there is a Tyrannical Leader killing its own people are we gonna stand back or act?

Non-interventionism means we handle our affairs. We can't be the policemen of the world.

So.. If another country is killing itself we have no obligation as part of NATO and our Military to intervene and take him out?

We shouldn't be in NATO, and no we should not intervene. We can't stop all the evil in the world, and most of the time we end up causing more problems than we solve.

“[America] goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.” - John Quincy Adams
 

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Non-interventionism means we handle our affairs. We can't be the policemen of the world.

So.. If another country is killing itself we have no obligation as part of NATO and our Military to intervene and take him out?

We shouldn't be in NATO, and no we should not intervene. We can't stop all the evil in the world, and most of the time we end up causing more problems than we solve.

“[America] goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.” - John Quincy Adams

We should be part of NATO. We should be keeping our Alliances strong. Who knows if another Dictator decides to invade another country?

That's in the 1700's.. We are in 2010.. We're at War and have Muslim Extremists trying to kill us all..

This is the only issue that i don't agree with the Libertarian Party.. Other than that i'm a Conservative Libertarian..
 

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So.. If another country is killing itself we have no obligation as part of NATO and our Military to intervene and take him out?

We shouldn't be in NATO, and no we should not intervene. We can't stop all the evil in the world, and most of the time we end up causing more problems than we solve.

“[America] goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.” - John Quincy Adams

We should be part of NATO. We should be keeping our Alliances strong. Who knows if another Dictator decides to invade another country?

That's in the 1700's.. We are in 2010.. We're at War and have Muslim Extremists trying to kill us all..

This is the only issue that i don't agree with the Libertarian Party.. Other than that i'm a Conservative Libertarian..

Sounds like you're simply a conservative honestly. Libertarians don't believe in entangling alliances that put our troops in harms way and our taxpayers on the line for the benefit of other nations, and that's exactly what NATO represents.
 

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We shouldn't be in NATO, and no we should not intervene. We can't stop all the evil in the world, and most of the time we end up causing more problems than we solve.

“[America] goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.” - John Quincy Adams

We should be part of NATO. We should be keeping our Alliances strong. Who knows if another Dictator decides to invade another country?

That's in the 1700's.. We are in 2010.. We're at War and have Muslim Extremists trying to kill us all..

This is the only issue that i don't agree with the Libertarian Party.. Other than that i'm a Conservative Libertarian..

Sounds like you're simply a conservative honestly. Libertarians don't believe in entangling alliances that put our troops in harms way and our taxpayers on the line for the benefit of other nations, and that's exactly what NATO represents.

I'm a Libertarian in other Polices. but not in our Foreign Policy. While i don't agree we should intervene in everything, we should help out our Allies and people who need our help.
 

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We should be part of NATO. We should be keeping our Alliances strong. Who knows if another Dictator decides to invade another country?

That's in the 1700's.. We are in 2010.. We're at War and have Muslim Extremists trying to kill us all..

This is the only issue that i don't agree with the Libertarian Party.. Other than that i'm a Conservative Libertarian..

Sounds like you're simply a conservative honestly. Libertarians don't believe in entangling alliances that put our troops in harms way and our taxpayers on the line for the benefit of other nations, and that's exactly what NATO represents.

I'm a Libertarian in other Polices. but not in our Foreign Policy. While i don't agree we should intervene in everything, we should help out our Allies and people who need our help.

Well in my opinion the division between conservative and libertarian is no clearer than in foreign policy, but I'm certainly not going to argue with you about what ideology you hold with.
 

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Sounds like you're simply a conservative honestly. Libertarians don't believe in entangling alliances that put our troops in harms way and our taxpayers on the line for the benefit of other nations, and that's exactly what NATO represents.

I'm a Libertarian in other Polices. but not in our Foreign Policy. While i don't agree we should intervene in everything, we should help out our Allies and people who need our help.

Well in my opinion the division between conservative and libertarian is no clearer than in foreign policy, but I'm certainly not going to argue with you about what ideology you hold with.

You can be many things.. I'm More of a Conservative than anything, it's true. But Libertarian in Economic Policy.. I'm reading End the Fed right now..
 

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Imho it would lead quickly to citizen revolt once most of the govt that actually helped the people went away.
How would libertarians handle that?



a REAL libertarian?


well

first

pot would be legalized, regulated and taxed!

which woud piss off MOST conservatives and SOME of the leftwing

then prostitution would be legalized, regulated and taxed

which would piss off MOST of the conservatives (even though they are MORE LIKELY to UTILIZE the services of prostitutes)

then they would legalize gay marriage

which would piss off MOST of the conservatives

and then remove "under god" from our pledge

which would REALLY piss off MOST conservatives

and offically declare America a secular nation

which would TOTALLY piss off ALL conservatives

and then glenn beck and every deranged hate radio dj and conservative spinmeister in the country would start a propaganda hate campaign against that so-called libertarian president
and say that he was REALLY a LEFTWING SOCIALIST and a TERRORIST lover who HATES christians and god wants to destroy our traditional family values and take ALL of our RIGHTS away and how do we know he is an American citizen anyway where is his REAL birth certificate that's what I want to know!

which would cause conservatives to load all their guns
and put on their white robes
with the hoods
and join anti-government militia groups
and threaten everyone to the left of ann coulter with physical violence
which would be ignored by ALL police and the ENTIRE military

no doubt a revolution wouild ensue because even though conservatives are always calling OTHER PEOPLE "freedom haters" the truth is they REALLY REALLY hate the idea of OTHER PEOPLE "getting away with something"
 

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