What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote

[Indeependent]

International pariah? Really? My goodness you know even less about Israel than I thought! The opinion of you and your friends do not represent what most people think.

See above. Around the world, Israel is the world's fourth most hated nation.

It’s called envy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting twist here. Britain released its Mandate over Palestine to the United Nations Commission. However the UN did not accept that transfer. The territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians. So the .

What part of my post was incorrect?

(ANSWER to WHAT IS INCORRECT)

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Article 77 UN Trusteeship • UN Chater

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
a. territories now held under mandate;
​

Part 1B • A/RES/181 (II) • Steps Preparatory to Independence

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.​

A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948 • United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC) • UN First Monthly Progress Report

As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• 
  “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

He observed that Memorandum “A” of the United Kingdom delegation on the Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate” (Informal Paper UK/42) was satisfactory. It recognized the Commission as the successor Government of Palestine upon the termination of the United Kingdom Mandate after 15 May, its title resting on the resolution of the General Assembly. ​

◈ "territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians"

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

The point regarding the question of the sovereignty of Palestine he thought to be quite unimportant for the specific task assigned to the Commission. As regards the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine, he was informed that the Mandatory Power would deal with it immediately.​

◈ "Palestinians declared independence on their own territory inside their own international borders"

A/C.1/330 14 October 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) • Pertaining to the APG Constitution

"Declare Palestine in its entirety and with the Boundaries as established before the termination of the British Mandate an Independent State and Constituted a Government."​

(COMMENT)

The acceptance of the transfer was automatic under the charter. Before the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish People cooperated with the UNPC and the Arab Higher Committee did NOT cooperate.

The Government of Palestine was transferred from the UK to the UNPC, less the territory previously coordinated and assigned as the Jewish State by the name the State of Israel.

The territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine was not available for the unestablished government. The State of Israel was already established under the right of self-determination by the Jewish People through the emergence of an independent government.


Most Respectfully,
R

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Sure, the UN accepted the transfer until May 15, 1948 and then they disappeared.

BTW, what part of the UN Charter gives the UN the authority to divide a territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh for heaven sake!

The territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine was not available for the unestablished government. The State of Israel was already established under the right of self-determination by the Jewish People through the emergence of an independent government.

Show me where Palestine's declaration encroached on Israels defined territory.

(COMMENT)

Doesn't the damn cablegram say that they want the entirety, And wasn't it the case that Egypt took by force and held the Gaza Strip? And wasn't it the case that the Jordanian came and took the West Bank and portions of Jerusalem? And wasn't it the case that the territory, less that was declared Israel, under UN Trusteeship?

• 10/14/1948 A/C.1/330 All-Palestine Government - Cablegram from Premier and Acting Foreign Secretary to SecGen •

RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE

They (the Arab Palestinians under Egyptian Direction) were set to steal the land, all of it. It was actually the Israeli Defense Force that saved the Middle East from the creation of another slow developing country.


Most Respectfully,
R

They (the Arab Palestinians under Egyptian Direction) were set to steal the land, all of it.

The Palestinians wanted to steal Palestine.

WTF

 

[toomuchtime_]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting twist here. Britain released its Mandate over Palestine to the United Nations Commission. However the UN did not accept that transfer. The territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians. So the .

What part of my post was incorrect?

(ANSWER to WHAT IS INCORRECT)

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Article 77 UN Trusteeship • UN Chater

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
a. territories now held under mandate;
​

Part 1B • A/RES/181 (II) • Steps Preparatory to Independence

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.​

A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948 • United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC) • UN First Monthly Progress Report

As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• 
  “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

He observed that Memorandum “A” of the United Kingdom delegation on the Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate” (Informal Paper UK/42) was satisfactory. It recognized the Commission as the successor Government of Palestine upon the termination of the United Kingdom Mandate after 15 May, its title resting on the resolution of the General Assembly. ​

◈ "territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians"

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

The point regarding the question of the sovereignty of Palestine he thought to be quite unimportant for the specific task assigned to the Commission. As regards the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine, he was informed that the Mandatory Power would deal with it immediately.​

◈ "Palestinians declared independence on their own territory inside their own international borders"

A/C.1/330 14 October 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) • Pertaining to the APG Constitution

"Declare Palestine in its entirety and with the Boundaries as established before the termination of the British Mandate an Independent State and Constituted a Government."​

(COMMENT)

The acceptance of the transfer was automatic under the charter. Before the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish People cooperated with the UNPC and the Arab Higher Committee did NOT cooperate.

The Government of Palestine was transferred from the UK to the UNPC, less the territory previously coordinated and assigned as the Jewish State by the name the State of Israel.

The territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine was not available for the unestablished government. The State of Israel was already established under the right of self-determination by the Jewish People through the emergence of an independent government.


Most Respectfully,
R

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Sure, the UN accepted the transfer until May 15, 1948 and then they disappeared.

BTW, what part of the UN Charter gives the UN the authority to divide a territory.

The territory was land surrendered by Turkey to the allies at the end of WWI. It was a trust held by the League of Nations and then the UN, and as such it was an internal matter of the UN and fell under the jurisdiction of the UNGA and not the UNSC, which deals with issues between member countries. With the Partition resolution, which was passed by the UNGA and not by the UNSC, the UN divested itself of all interest and jurisdiction over the territory and since the parts of it that are not formally parts of Israel do not constitute a member state, neither the UNGA nor the UNSC have any jurisdiction over it and no resolutions passed by either body are binding on UN member states.

 

[Hollie]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting twist here. Britain released its Mandate over Palestine to the United Nations Commission. However the UN did not accept that transfer. The territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians. So the .

What part of my post was incorrect?

(ANSWER to WHAT IS INCORRECT)

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Article 77 UN Trusteeship • UN Chater

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
a. territories now held under mandate;
​

Part 1B • A/RES/181 (II) • Steps Preparatory to Independence

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.​

A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948 • United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC) • UN First Monthly Progress Report

As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• 
  “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

He observed that Memorandum “A” of the United Kingdom delegation on the Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate” (Informal Paper UK/42) was satisfactory. It recognized the Commission as the successor Government of Palestine upon the termination of the United Kingdom Mandate after 15 May, its title resting on the resolution of the General Assembly. ​

◈ "territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians"

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

The point regarding the question of the sovereignty of Palestine he thought to be quite unimportant for the specific task assigned to the Commission. As regards the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine, he was informed that the Mandatory Power would deal with it immediately.​

◈ "Palestinians declared independence on their own territory inside their own international borders"

A/C.1/330 14 October 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) • Pertaining to the APG Constitution

"Declare Palestine in its entirety and with the Boundaries as established before the termination of the British Mandate an Independent State and Constituted a Government."​

(COMMENT)

The acceptance of the transfer was automatic under the charter. Before the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish People cooperated with the UNPC and the Arab Higher Committee did NOT cooperate.

The Government of Palestine was transferred from the UK to the UNPC, less the territory previously coordinated and assigned as the Jewish State by the name the State of Israel.

The territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine was not available for the unestablished government. The State of Israel was already established under the right of self-determination by the Jewish People through the emergence of an independent government.


Most Respectfully,
R

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Sure, the UN accepted the transfer until May 15, 1948 and then they disappeared.

BTW, what part of the UN Charter gives the UN the authority to divide a territory.

It’s remarkable that you have learned nothing in all the time you have been cutting and pasting those same comments,

 

[toastman]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting twist here. Britain released its Mandate over Palestine to the United Nations Commission. However the UN did not accept that transfer. The territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians. So the .

What part of my post was incorrect?

(ANSWER to WHAT IS INCORRECT)

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Article 77 UN Trusteeship • UN Chater

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
a. territories now held under mandate;
​

Part 1B • A/RES/181 (II) • Steps Preparatory to Independence

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.​

A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948 • United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC) • UN First Monthly Progress Report

As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• 
  “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

He observed that Memorandum “A” of the United Kingdom delegation on the Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate” (Informal Paper UK/42) was satisfactory. It recognized the Commission as the successor Government of Palestine upon the termination of the United Kingdom Mandate after 15 May, its title resting on the resolution of the General Assembly. ​

◈ "territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians"

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

The point regarding the question of the sovereignty of Palestine he thought to be quite unimportant for the specific task assigned to the Commission. As regards the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine, he was informed that the Mandatory Power would deal with it immediately.​

◈ "Palestinians declared independence on their own territory inside their own international borders"

A/C.1/330 14 October 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) • Pertaining to the APG Constitution

"Declare Palestine in its entirety and with the Boundaries as established before the termination of the British Mandate an Independent State and Constituted a Government."​

(COMMENT)

The acceptance of the transfer was automatic under the charter. Before the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish People cooperated with the UNPC and the Arab Higher Committee did NOT cooperate.

The Government of Palestine was transferred from the UK to the UNPC, less the territory previously coordinated and assigned as the Jewish State by the name the State of Israel.

The territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine was not available for the unestablished government. The State of Israel was already established under the right of self-determination by the Jewish People through the emergence of an independent government.


Most Respectfully,
R

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Sure, the UN accepted the transfer until May 15, 1948 and then they disappeared.

BTW, what part of the UN Charter gives the UN the authority to divide a territory.

Whenever Rocco puts you against the wal, as he does quite often, you reply by asking stupid unanswerable questions. BTW, where is your link?

 

[toastman]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting twist here. Britain released its Mandate over Palestine to the United Nations Commission. However the UN did not accept that transfer. The territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians. So the .

What part of my post was incorrect?

(ANSWER to WHAT IS INCORRECT)

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Article 77 UN Trusteeship • UN Chater

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
a. territories now held under mandate;
​

Part 1B • A/RES/181 (II) • Steps Preparatory to Independence

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.​

A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948 • United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC) • UN First Monthly Progress Report

As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• 
  “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

He observed that Memorandum “A” of the United Kingdom delegation on the Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate” (Informal Paper UK/42) was satisfactory. It recognized the Commission as the successor Government of Palestine upon the termination of the United Kingdom Mandate after 15 May, its title resting on the resolution of the General Assembly. ​

◈ "territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians"

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

The point regarding the question of the sovereignty of Palestine he thought to be quite unimportant for the specific task assigned to the Commission. As regards the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine, he was informed that the Mandatory Power would deal with it immediately.​

◈ "Palestinians declared independence on their own territory inside their own international borders"

A/C.1/330 14 October 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) • Pertaining to the APG Constitution

"Declare Palestine in its entirety and with the Boundaries as established before the termination of the British Mandate an Independent State and Constituted a Government."​

(COMMENT)

The acceptance of the transfer was automatic under the charter. Before the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish People cooperated with the UNPC and the Arab Higher Committee did NOT cooperate.

The Government of Palestine was transferred from the UK to the UNPC, less the territory previously coordinated and assigned as the Jewish State by the name the State of Israel.

The territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine was not available for the unestablished government. The State of Israel was already established under the right of self-determination by the Jewish People through the emergence of an independent government.


Most Respectfully,
R

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Sure, the UN accepted the transfer until May 15, 1948 and then they disappeared.

BTW, what part of the UN Charter gives the UN the authority to divide a territory.

It’s remarkable that you have learned nothing in all the time you have been cutting and pasting those same comments,

There is no way that he believes any of the crap he posts.

 

[Indeependent]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting twist here. Britain released its Mandate over Palestine to the United Nations Commission. However the UN did not accept that transfer. The territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians. So the .

What part of my post was incorrect?

(ANSWER to WHAT IS INCORRECT)

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Article 77 UN Trusteeship • UN Chater

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
a. territories now held under mandate;
​

Part 1B • A/RES/181 (II) • Steps Preparatory to Independence

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.​

A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948 • United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC) • UN First Monthly Progress Report

As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• 
  “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

He observed that Memorandum “A” of the United Kingdom delegation on the Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate” (Informal Paper UK/42) was satisfactory. It recognized the Commission as the successor Government of Palestine upon the termination of the United Kingdom Mandate after 15 May, its title resting on the resolution of the General Assembly. ​

◈ "territory and sovereignty were left to the Palestinians"

A/AC.21/SR.44 REPORT BY MR. FEDERSPIEL ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MANDATORY POWER CONCERNING TRANSFER OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY

The point regarding the question of the sovereignty of Palestine he thought to be quite unimportant for the specific task assigned to the Commission. As regards the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine, he was informed that the Mandatory Power would deal with it immediately.​

◈ "Palestinians declared independence on their own territory inside their own international borders"

A/C.1/330 14 October 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) • Pertaining to the APG Constitution

"Declare Palestine in its entirety and with the Boundaries as established before the termination of the British Mandate an Independent State and Constituted a Government."​

(COMMENT)

The acceptance of the transfer was automatic under the charter. Before the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish People cooperated with the UNPC and the Arab Higher Committee did NOT cooperate.

The Government of Palestine was transferred from the UK to the UNPC, less the territory previously coordinated and assigned as the Jewish State by the name the State of Israel.

The territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine was not available for the unestablished government. The State of Israel was already established under the right of self-determination by the Jewish People through the emergence of an independent government.


Most Respectfully,
R

◈ "the UN did not accept that transfer."

Sure, the UN accepted the transfer until May 15, 1948 and then they disappeared.

BTW, what part of the UN Charter gives the UN the authority to divide a territory.

It’s remarkable that you have learned nothing in all the time you have been cutting and pasting those same comments,

There is no way that he believes any of the crap he posts.

He is mentally ill.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I tried to answer your question!
If you don't want to accept the answers, then don't; but don't twist them around.

They (the Arab Palestinians under Egyptian Direction) were set to steal the land, all of it.

The Palestinians wanted to steal Palestine.

WTF

(COMMENT)

Well, --- it was really the Egyptians putting a pretty Arab Palestinian face on the territorial project. The face took the form of the provisional All Palestine Government. In 1959, the Egyptians tired of the project and disband and dissolved the All Palestine Government.

Meanwhile, the Jordanians are trying to position themselves such that they become the great protector of the various site of religious importance; to include the Temple Mount. This would be similar to the position of the influence his father had as the Protector of Mecca.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

RE: What if Israel Annexes the West Bank and Lets Palestinians Vote
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I tried to answer your question!
If you don't want to accept the answers, then don't; but don't twist them around.

They (the Arab Palestinians under Egyptian Direction) were set to steal the land, all of it.

The Palestinians wanted to steal Palestine.

WTF

(COMMENT)

Well, --- it was really the Egyptians putting a pretty Arab Palestinian face on the territorial project. The face took the form of the provisional All Palestine Government. In 1959, the Egyptians tired of the project and disband and dissolved the All Palestine Government.

Meanwhile, the Jordanians are trying to position themselves such that they become the great protector of the various site of religious importance; to include the Temple Mount. This would be similar to the position of the influence his father had as the Protector of Mecca.


Most Respectfully,
R

That’s exactly right, he simply cannot accept your answers because they speak the truth , which of course, contradicts his Palestinian Propsganda and lies....