What have the Zionists done?

[Lipush]

That's interesting. So Israel's part in the mess is not further abusing the Arabs.

This is kind of what I expected to hear a lot of. It stems from wholesale ignorance.

The Arabs started the war. They should have foreseen the consequence. That's THEIR responsibility.

When an enemy rises up to destroy you, you shouldn't feel guilty for winning and surviving.

That's why Israel does not.

Israel's only guilt is that it's forced to sometimes do to the Arab civilians what they try to do to us.

It always comes down to this. It's why I asked the question. I wanted to know if there were Zionists who were willing to be introspective, and I have yet to find one.

I was taught all this shit I read here about Israel great, Arab awful. You people would do well to start looking in the mirror. The idea that Israel is just some benevolent lamb trying to survive is garbage. They have ownership in this just like the Arabs.

Oh, but that's not the message conveyed in the end of the day.

If that was indeed the situation, then no one would have expelled thousand of Jews from Hebron and Samaria and Gaza.

When people keep telling you that you're a guest, and withuot rights, there is a limit to what you can fight.

My family live on this land since 1883. Before many of today's Palestinians were even born. Yet they feel they have the right to call me a "settler" a "land thief", based on the sole fact that they lost a war they themselves provoked.

Do I have the right to live everywhere I want? The only place in the WORLD where Jews are BANISHED and PROHIBITED to live in certain places is in the JEWISH STATE.

Irony, thy name is Israel!

 

[toastman]

This is exactly the kind of response that makes things worse. If you sincerely believe that the only fault in the mess is due to Arabs, you are ignorant and have been fed too large a diet of Zionist media.

There are a lot of bad actors in the ME, and there are a lot of innocent bystanders all around the region who only want to live their lives without worrying about getting blown up.

Let's analyze your post...
"There are a lot of bad actors in the ME"
Considering that about 99% of the population in the ME is Arab, and MANY of them are Moslem, are you're going to exhibit bad math and attribute a significant percentage of the troubles in the ME to THE JEWS?!

The ME is comprised of dozens of nations which have been at constant war with each other, as well as with most European nations, for nearly a millennia, and you're going to exhibit bad math and attribute a significant percentage of the troubles in the ME to THE JEWS?!

Take off the Zion blinders and focus. The only one in this conversation claiming the conflict is one-sided, is you.

I started the thread because all I ever hear is about the awful Arabs. It's what I was taught and what I heard daily from American media. There is blame all around, so why don't you offer up your thoughts on Israel's part.

The insanity that the turmoil is all about "Jew haters" has to stop at some point. It's laughable, were it not so disgustingly dishonest.

Really?? Because I hear about is the awful Zionists.

 

[MJB12741]

OUTSTANDING POINT! Those damn Zionists in Israel are responsible for this never ending conflict. What kind of people make peace offerings to Palestinians, build a security fence & grant the Palestinians their own land so they can remain in Israel instead of helping them to return back to their indigenous homelands? Face it you Zionists, no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, ever treated them like Israel does. And then those damn Zionists just can't seem to understand why they are thanked with jihad's & rocket missles. Want peace? History has proven that king Huessein was right. When will those damn Zionists in Israel ever learn? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Despite what a few petulant morons around here say every time I post on this subject, my issue with problem of Israel is that there never seems to be any responsibility taken by Jews for the unceasing violence and bad feelings toward them. As though they are innocent bystanders in a one-sided conflict toward them. So I have a serious question and even though I expect the same old Zionist bullshit calling me a Nazi, etc., I'm throwing it out there anyway.

What part of this mess can be placed on the backs of Israel?

 

[proudveteran06]

You don't sounds like one asking a serious question, but a one looking for bashing.

But if indeed a serious answer is what you're looking for, the mess is due to the fact that the government is unsure of its own steps, and there is no agreement between right-wingers and left-wingers about the most ideal solution for this conflict.

Our government bothers more with inner battles and selfish motives than to do what's best for the people.

That's the root of the problems in Israel.

I am looking for serious answers and I appreciate your contribution.

Whenever anyone asks what have the Palestinians done there is no answer. You are asking about one party, I have a right to ask about the other. There will still be no response from you. For those that are serious, I appreciate your contribution.


Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine


It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.

Not going to happen, BigMouth

» Abbas Shuts Down The Peace Process


Abbas’s new red lines block just about every concession that the Israelis, and even the U.S., have requested. Abbas demands: a total Israeli withdrawal from all territories that went to Israel in 1967; that Israel complete that withdrawal within three to four years; that the Palestinians not be required to recognize the Jewish state; that east Jerusalem be specified as the capital of a Palestinian state; the release of all Palestinian prisoners; and resolving the refugee issue along the lines of UN General Assembly resolution 194, which in essence means sending those Palestinians claiming to be refugees, not to a Palestinian state, but to Israel, thus terminating the existence of the Jewish state Abbas refuses to recognize.

Not going to happen either.

 

[MJB12741]

So true. We never see any Zionists praising the Palestinians for all their contributions to peace, mankind & civilization. Therefore I now give the Palestinian supporters an opportunity to enlighten us with the truth on this subject. Take that you Zionists.

You don't sounds like one asking a serious question, but a one looking for bashing.

But if indeed a serious answer is what you're looking for, the mess is due to the fact that the government is unsure of its own steps, and there is no agreement between right-wingers and left-wingers about the most ideal solution for this conflict.

Our government bothers more with inner battles and selfish motives than to do what's best for the people.

That's the root of the problems in Israel.

I am looking for serious answers and I appreciate your contribution.

Whenever anyone asks what have the Palestinians done there is no answer. You are asking about one party, I have a right to ask about the other. There will still be no response from you. For those that are serious, I appreciate your contribution.


Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine


It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.

Not going to happen, BigMouth

» Abbas Shuts Down The Peace Process


Abbas’s new red lines block just about every concession that the Israelis, and even the U.S., have requested. Abbas demands: a total Israeli withdrawal from all territories that went to Israel in 1967; that Israel complete that withdrawal within three to four years; that the Palestinians not be required to recognize the Jewish state; that east Jerusalem be specified as the capital of a Palestinian state; the release of all Palestinian prisoners; and resolving the refugee issue along the lines of UN General Assembly resolution 194, which in essence means sending those Palestinians claiming to be refugees, not to a Palestinian state, but to Israel, thus terminating the existence of the Jewish state Abbas refuses to recognize.

Not going to happen either.

 

[Phoenall]

Despite what a few petulant morons around here say every time I post on this subject, my issue with problem of Israel is that there never seems to be any responsibility taken by Jews for the unceasing violence and bad feelings toward them. As though they are innocent bystanders in a one-sided conflict toward them. So I have a serious question and even though I expect the same old Zionist bullshit calling me a Nazi, etc., I'm throwing it out there anyway.

What part of this mess can be placed on the backs of Israel?

First off you really need to make your mind up whether you mean Jew, Israeli or Zionist as they are all different things. A Jew can be a member of the Jewish race, a member of Judaism or a member of the Jewish culture. A Zionist can be any religion or none, and also any race, creed or nationality. an Israeli can be Jewish, muslim, Christian or atheist.


But looking at the evidence going back 1400 years non of the mess can be placed on the backs of the Israelis, Jews or Zionists. But it can be placed on the backs of the arab muslims of which the Palestinians are a part. Remember that mohamed had it written into the muslims holy books to KILL THE JEWS.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel takes 10% of the blame for caving in to international pressure for 50 years and not just stamping their overt enemies out of existence.

That's interesting. So Israel's part in the mess is not further abusing the Arabs.

This is kind of what I expected to hear a lot of. It stems from wholesale ignorance.

No try Israel is to blame for the mess because they have been too nice, when in fact they should have done what the Egyptians and Jordanians did and killed tens of thousands as an object lesson in what to expect. Not a word said when they did that by anyone, and the Palestinians knew they were in for more if they tried it on again.

 

[Phoenall]

This is exactly the kind of response that makes things worse. If you sincerely believe that the only fault in the mess is due to Arabs, you are ignorant and have been fed too large a diet of Zionist media.

There are a lot of bad actors in the ME, and there are a lot of innocent bystanders all around the region who only want to live their lives without worrying about getting blown up.

Let's analyze your post...
"There are a lot of bad actors in the ME"
Considering that about 99% of the population in the ME is Arab, and MANY of them are Moslem, are you're going to exhibit bad math and attribute a significant percentage of the troubles in the ME to THE JEWS?!

The ME is comprised of dozens of nations which have been at constant war with each other, as well as with most European nations, for nearly a millennia, and you're going to exhibit bad math and attribute a significant percentage of the troubles in the ME to THE JEWS?!

Take off the Zion blinders and focus. The only one in this conversation claiming the conflict is one-sided, is you.

I started the thread because all I ever hear is about the awful Arabs. It's what I was taught and what I heard daily from American media. There is blame all around, so why don't you offer up your thoughts on Israel's part.

The insanity that the turmoil is all about "Jew haters" has to stop at some point. It's laughable, were it not so disgustingly dishonest.

Lets see now 99% of the inhabitants are the arab muslims who have it as a direct command from their god to KILL THE JEWS. This they have practised for over 1400 and still have not managed with odds of 100 to 1 to eliminate the Jews. The Jews have been brutalised and violated by the muslims right up until they declared independence in 1948, then they fought back against the violence and atrocities. To you this is the Jews attacking the muslims and brutalising them, when in fact they have treated them fairly and with decency.

The insanity that the Jews are the cause of the problem will stop eventually when the muslims start accepting responsibility for their actions

 

[Phoenall]

That's interesting. So Israel's part in the mess is not further abusing the Arabs.

This is kind of what I expected to hear a lot of. It stems from wholesale ignorance.

The Arabs started the war. They should have foreseen the consequence. That's THEIR responsibility.

When an enemy rises up to destroy you, you shouldn't feel guilty for winning and surviving.

That's why Israel does not.

Israel's only guilt is that it's forced to sometimes do to the Arab civilians what they try to do to us.

It always comes down to this. It's why I asked the question. I wanted to know if there were Zionists who were willing to be introspective, and I have yet to find one.

I was taught all this shit I read here about Israel great, Arab awful. You people would do well to start looking in the mirror. The idea that Israel is just some benevolent lamb trying to survive is garbage. They have ownership in this just like the Arabs.

But very little ownership when the demographics are taken into consideration, in fact 100 times less ownership than that of the muslims

 

[proudveteran06]

The Arabs started the war. They should have foreseen the consequence. That's THEIR responsibility.

When an enemy rises up to destroy you, you shouldn't feel guilty for winning and surviving.

That's why Israel does not.

Israel's only guilt is that it's forced to sometimes do to the Arab civilians what they try to do to us.

It always comes down to this. It's why I asked the question. I wanted to know if there were Zionists who were willing to be introspective, and I have yet to find one.

I was taught all this shit I read here about Israel great, Arab awful. You people would do well to start looking in the mirror. The idea that Israel is just some benevolent lamb trying to survive is garbage. They have ownership in this just like the Arabs.

But very little ownership when the demographics are taken into consideration, in fact 100 times less ownership than that of the muslims

Notice how the Pro Palestinian Kool Aid Drinker can't tell us one thing the Palestinians have done to. " promote peace? ". That is why there will never be the " Palestinian state" that Abbas will accept.

 

[montelatici]

Let's analyze your post...
"There are a lot of bad actors in the ME"
Considering that about 99% of the population in the ME is Arab, and MANY of them are Moslem, are you're going to exhibit bad math and attribute a significant percentage of the troubles in the ME to THE JEWS?!

The ME is comprised of dozens of nations which have been at constant war with each other, as well as with most European nations, for nearly a millennia, and you're going to exhibit bad math and attribute a significant percentage of the troubles in the ME to THE JEWS?!

Take off the Zion blinders and focus. The only one in this conversation claiming the conflict is one-sided, is you.

I started the thread because all I ever hear is about the awful Arabs. It's what I was taught and what I heard daily from American media. There is blame all around, so why don't you offer up your thoughts on Israel's part.

The insanity that the turmoil is all about "Jew haters" has to stop at some point. It's laughable, were it not so disgustingly dishonest.

Lets see now 99% of the inhabitants are the arab muslims who have it as a direct command from their god to KILL THE JEWS. This they have practised for over 1400 and still have not managed with odds of 100 to 1 to eliminate the Jews. The Jews have been brutalised and violated by the muslims right up until they declared independence in 1948, then they fought back against the violence and atrocities. To you this is the Jews attacking the muslims and brutalising them, when in fact they have treated them fairly and with decency.

The insanity that the Jews are the cause of the problem will stop eventually when the muslims start accepting responsibility for their actions

Until recently, since Zionism, the Jews were treated better by the Muslims than by adherents of any other religion. Certainly better than they were treated by Christians.

 

[MJB12741]

I don't understand this. Finally the Palestinian supporters are given a golden opportunity to educate us to Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization & not a single one has been listed. Why have the Palestinian supporters just disappeared on this important issue?

So true. We never see any Zionists praising the Palestinians for all their contributions to peace, mankind & civilization. Therefore I now give the Palestinian supporters an opportunity to enlighten us with the truth on this subject. Take that you Zionists.

I am looking for serious answers and I appreciate your contribution.

Whenever anyone asks what have the Palestinians done there is no answer. You are asking about one party, I have a right to ask about the other. There will still be no response from you. For those that are serious, I appreciate your contribution.


Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine


It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.

Not going to happen, BigMouth

» Abbas Shuts Down The Peace Process


Abbas’s new red lines block just about every concession that the Israelis, and even the U.S., have requested. Abbas demands: a total Israeli withdrawal from all territories that went to Israel in 1967; that Israel complete that withdrawal within three to four years; that the Palestinians not be required to recognize the Jewish state; that east Jerusalem be specified as the capital of a Palestinian state; the release of all Palestinian prisoners; and resolving the refugee issue along the lines of UN General Assembly resolution 194, which in essence means sending those Palestinians claiming to be refugees, not to a Palestinian state, but to Israel, thus terminating the existence of the Jewish state Abbas refuses to recognize.

Not going to happen either.

 

[MJB12741]

Will you be so kind as to help me show those Zionists the truth about Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization? Thank you sir.

Despite what a few petulant morons around here say every time I post on this subject, my issue with problem of Israel is that there never seems to be any responsibility taken by Jews for the unceasing violence and bad feelings toward them. As though they are innocent bystanders in a one-sided conflict toward them. So I have a serious question and even though I expect the same old Zionist bullshit calling me a Nazi, etc., I'm throwing it out there anyway.

What part of this mess can be placed on the backs of Israel?

Fucked your mother!

Firstly, I reported your post for rules violations.

Secondly, your Jewish psychosis is on display. It's people like you and Roudy and a few others here who cause hatred of Jews in general. Way to go, asshole.

 

[Pennywise]

Will you be so kind as to help me show those Zionists the truth about Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization? Thank you sir.

Fucked your mother!

Firstly, I reported your post for rules violations.

Secondly, your Jewish psychosis is on display. It's people like you and Roudy and a few others here who cause hatred of Jews in general. Way to go, asshole.

I'm not making that argument. I think the Palestinians have done a lot of bad shit. I am only here to find out what responsibilities the Israelis have, and I'm still waiting to hear someone admit they have a big part in the conflict too.

The problem with these discussions is that there is never an allowance that people can see the issue from both sides.

And decent people really ought to condemn comments like the one from that punk assed ***** Ghook. Don't you agree?

 

[MJB12741]

Hey, I'm with you on getting those Zionists to admit Israel is mostly responsible for fueling this endless conflict. Leave it to the Zionists in Israel to provoke the Palestinians into violence & hatred with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions. No wonder so many Palestinian complaints against Israel.

And have you ever heard of a single Palestinian or Palestinian supporter complaint against Jordan's Black September which resulted in a lasting peace? When will those Zionists in Israel ever learn how to communicate with Palestinians for a lasting peace?

And are you saying there has never been a single Palestinian contribution to peace, mankind & civilization? Surely you jest. Just wait & see when the Palestinian supporters chime in on the subject.

Will you be so kind as to help me show those Zionists the truth about Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization? Thank you sir.

Firstly, I reported your post for rules violations.

Secondly, your Jewish psychosis is on display. It's people like you and Roudy and a few others here who cause hatred of Jews in general. Way to go, asshole.

I'm not making that argument. I think the Palestinians have done a lot of bad shit. I am only here to find out what responsibilities the Israelis have, and I'm still waiting to hear someone admit they have a big part in the conflict too.

The problem with these discussions is that there is never an allowance that people can see the issue from both sides.

And decent people really ought to condemn comments like the one from that punk assed ***** Ghook. Don't you agree?

 

[toastman]

Will you be so kind as to help me show those Zionists the truth about Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization? Thank you sir.

Firstly, I reported your post for rules violations.

Secondly, your Jewish psychosis is on display. It's people like you and Roudy and a few others here who cause hatred of Jews in general. Way to go, asshole.

I'm not making that argument. I think the Palestinians have done a lot of bad shit. I am only here to find out what responsibilities the Israelis have, and I'm still waiting to hear someone admit they have a big part in the conflict too.

The problem with these discussions is that there is never an allowance that people can see the issue from both sides.

And decent people really ought to condemn comments like the one from that punk assed ***** Ghook. Don't you agree?

Why don't you tell us what responsibilities YOU think Israel has?

 

[Pennywise]

Hey, I'm with you on getting those Zionists to admit Israel is mostly responsible for fueling this endless conflict. Leave it to the Zionists in Israel to provoke the Palestinians into violence & hatred with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions. No wonder so many Palestinian complaints against Israel.

And have you ever heard of a single Palestinian or Palestinian supporter complaint against Jordan's Black September which resulted in a lasting peace? When will those Zionists in Israel ever learn how to communicate with Palestinians for a lasting peace?

And are you saying there has never been a single Palestinian contribution to peace, mankind & civilization? Surely you jest. Just wait & see when the Palestinian supporters chime in on the subject.

Will you be so kind as to help me show those Zionists the truth about Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization? Thank you sir.

I'm not making that argument. I think the Palestinians have done a lot of bad shit. I am only here to find out what responsibilities the Israelis have, and I'm still waiting to hear someone admit they have a big part in the conflict too.

The problem with these discussions is that there is never an allowance that people can see the issue from both sides.

And decent people really ought to condemn comments like the one from that punk assed ***** Ghook. Don't you agree?

I'll be checking in from time to time if there is a single person here with the intellectual honesty to discuss the subject like an adult.

Not holding my breath, but maybe there's someone around with a clear head and a conscience.

 

[Pennywise]

Will you be so kind as to help me show those Zionists the truth about Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization? Thank you sir.

I'm not making that argument. I think the Palestinians have done a lot of bad shit. I am only here to find out what responsibilities the Israelis have, and I'm still waiting to hear someone admit they have a big part in the conflict too.

The problem with these discussions is that there is never an allowance that people can see the issue from both sides.

And decent people really ought to condemn comments like the one from that punk assed ***** Ghook. Don't you agree?

Why don't you tell us what responsibilities YOU think Israel has?

Not my place to do so and not why I started this discussion. I want Jews to reveal that. Why? Because there's no way a conflict can ever end unless people look at their own part in it.

 

[MJB12741]

LOL! Now you are being silly. You come to a political message board for an unbiased, intellectual & respectful discussion on politics? Show me just one where that has ever happened. Thank you.

Hey, I'm with you on getting those Zionists to admit Israel is mostly responsible for fueling this endless conflict. Leave it to the Zionists in Israel to provoke the Palestinians into violence & hatred with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions. No wonder so many Palestinian complaints against Israel.

And have you ever heard of a single Palestinian or Palestinian supporter complaint against Jordan's Black September which resulted in a lasting peace? When will those Zionists in Israel ever learn how to communicate with Palestinians for a lasting peace?

And are you saying there has never been a single Palestinian contribution to peace, mankind & civilization? Surely you jest. Just wait & see when the Palestinian supporters chime in on the subject.

I'm not making that argument. I think the Palestinians have done a lot of bad shit. I am only here to find out what responsibilities the Israelis have, and I'm still waiting to hear someone admit they have a big part in the conflict too.

The problem with these discussions is that there is never an allowance that people can see the issue from both sides.

And decent people really ought to condemn comments like the one from that punk assed ***** Ghook. Don't you agree?

I'll be checking in from time to time if there is a single person here with the intellectual honesty to discuss the subject like an adult.

Not holding my breath, but maybe there's someone around with a clear head and a conscience.

 

[westwall]

Despite what a few petulant morons around here say every time I post on this subject, my issue with problem of Israel is that there never seems to be any responsibility taken by Jews for the unceasing violence and bad feelings toward them. As though they are innocent bystanders in a one-sided conflict toward them. So I have a serious question and even though I expect the same old Zionist bullshit calling me a Nazi, etc., I'm throwing it out there anyway.

What part of this mess can be placed on the backs of Israel?

Which part are you talking about? Your question is so broad as to be meaningless.