CDZ What happened to America's Conservative Values?

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is why.
And the last admin was allowing known terrorist to enter the White House, and he gave billions to a country that supported a terrorist regime...
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that’s a liberal on the left? Because it sounds way more like a Republican. Women stay at home, no free speech, hate gays?

yep, that’s the republican party.
 
President Trump and lieutenant governor Daniel Patrick asking the elderly to sacrifice their lives to save the economy. Asking old people to die for the gross national product is....well....gross.
/——-/Cower in fear all you want, and don’t drive your car. 40,000 deaths a year.
 
‘”If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." David Frum.’ ibid

True.

Indeed, this is already becoming reality – conservatives are perfectly content with their minority rule.

The right’s use of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and efforts to otherwise undermine and poison the political process are all intended to offset their demographic disadvantage.

And with the courts dominated by conservative judges and justices, there is no recourse for the people to seek relief from the right’s minority rule.
 
‘”If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." David Frum.’ ibid

True.

Indeed, this is already becoming reality – conservatives are perfectly content with their minority rule.

The right’s use of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and efforts to otherwise undermine and poison the political process are all intended to offset their demographic disadvantage.

And with the courts dominated by conservative judges and justices, there is no recourse for the people to seek relief from the right’s minority rule.
/——/ Bullshyt
 
This is as close of a conservative getting to the Oval Office as we have had in over a century



Ron Paul was essentially ignored by the media, which is how they treat you if they really fear you.
 
'The Atlantic writer David Frum argues that “democracy is tested by its ability to deliver security, prosperity, and justice”. By that metric, the Trump presidency is a shambolic failure.'

'The former George W Bush speechwriter thinks 21st-century conservatism has ‘delivered much more harm than good’'


"Over the past half-century, the GOP has morphed into the heir of George Wallace, the segregationist Alabama governor and presidential candidate, and Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon’s paleoconservative speechwriter. The party of Abraham Lincoln and the upward arc is gone."


"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." David Frum



Dave Frum is someone who feels that the Republican Party's role in America is to Lose, not to rule and implement their policies. He's the kind of Republican that wants to be accepted at Marxist coffee klatches and cocktail parties, not to get into power and actually implement policies. That's why he supported Pathetic Losers like McCain and Romney. No chance either of those men were going to seize power.

The problem that he and his Ilk have is that the common people in Flyover Country, we the Deplorables, disagree. I suppose the current GOP leadership could choose sure losers like William Weld or Joe Walsh in 2020 and beyond. But they wouldn't get the respect or support from the people who are tired of waiting and want to see actual action.

No, Frum just wants to see his core ideology adopted again by the party that is supposedly meant to put it forward (Republicans). The downward slide was already happening during the Reagan years, the sellout to the religious right, the beginning of monkeying around with the tax structure, the leaning toward deficit spending being the norm. But nobody gave it a thought because those second two policies artificially inflated economic growth. So people ignored it the prosperity of the 80's and called Reagan a good President. Then, along comes Bill Clinton (and with it Hillary Clinton's attempt to have a discussion on healthcare) and things start to change. In 1994, Newt and his Republican Revolution breeze into town and it all starts really going sideways. The swing further to the right, the louder rhetoric against people who disagreed with you (something I saw manifest itself in my own hometown), and the first whispers of touting conspiracy theories. Carry that forward to the GW Bush Jr years where we went back to deficit spending and cutting taxes for the top 1% and you also get the fallout after 9/11 (memba "If you're not with us, you're against us"). Then, the crown jewel. In November of 2008, Barack Obama is elected and Republicans, Conservatives, and the right wing absolutely lose their shit. To hell in a handbasket we go with the rise of the Tea Party, the conspiracy theorist, and the demagogues. The real moderates and conservatives are slowly but surely weeded out of the Republican Party starting when Trump backs into the Presidency. And over the last three years, all that the Republican Party and Trump have managed to accomplish after they gave a home to every kook and conspiracy theorist out there is to deeply divide the country, put it in debt (pre-pandemic) through an ill advised tax cut and bloated budgets, and screw up the response to the virus that subsequently is getting a lot of people killed and killing our economy in the process.

And I have no idea what your comment about flyover country is about. That's just a right wing talking point. I have friends and colleagues in states like Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma (the reddest of red states) who absolutely can't stand Trump or his cronies. Why? Because they don't like being lied to constantly. Real conservative values in the Republican Party went out the window a long time ago. Hell, I know a Democrat is going to tax me and spend my money. But over the last four decades, Republicans have given generous tax cuts to their donors, the wealthy, businesses, and their cronies..and then turned around and still spent my money like a drunken sailor.

Frum is just hoping there is still time to see the return of conservatism before demographics and voter disgust make it obsolete.

What you say simply doesn't make sense. The wealthiest are NOT Republicans. The wealthy are Democrats. While Bill Gates gives to both Democrats and Republicans, he spends way more on Democrats. George Soros is a Democrat.
 
'The Atlantic writer David Frum argues that “democracy is tested by its ability to deliver security, prosperity, and justice”. By that metric, the Trump presidency is a shambolic failure.'

'The former George W Bush speechwriter thinks 21st-century conservatism has ‘delivered much more harm than good’'


"Over the past half-century, the GOP has morphed into the heir of George Wallace, the segregationist Alabama governor and presidential candidate, and Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon’s paleoconservative speechwriter. The party of Abraham Lincoln and the upward arc is gone."


"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." David Frum


Donald Trump is a Democrat Disinformation Artist that flipped what used to be the patriot and constitutionalist movement (for lack of a more descriptive adjective.) The problems Trump addresses are very real. But, Trump knows what is going to fly in the courts, despite what he does. What you have today is the MAGA supporters and the liberal Democrats both going to the same destination via different routes. It is a symbiotic relationship much like a flea and a dog. Democrats are winning as the MAGA supporters walk into a web of deceit wherein the strategies will come back to bite them in the arse. Because people worship Trump as if he is Jesus incarnate, conservatives dare not speak out.

Patriots and constitutionalists cannot win "democratically." Thomas Jefferson once remarked, "The natural progress of things is for Liberty to yield and government to gain ground." Right now, the MAGA supporters reject Liberty and the Democrats never had any use for individual Rights. You do the math.
President Trump has done a good job considering how DC liars tried to ruin him. In attempting to smear a good man, the Democrats smeared themselves, pandering after an impeachment that will never be carried into the destruction of America.

Now, the judiciary will be cleaning house on entrapment Obama and Clinton ordered to sabotage their successors in the Oval office.
 
'The Atlantic writer David Frum argues that “democracy is tested by its ability to deliver security, prosperity, and justice”. By that metric, the Trump presidency is a shambolic failure.'

'The former George W Bush speechwriter thinks 21st-century conservatism has ‘delivered much more harm than good’'


"Over the past half-century, the GOP has morphed into the heir of George Wallace, the segregationist Alabama governor and presidential candidate, and Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon’s paleoconservative speechwriter. The party of Abraham Lincoln and the upward arc is gone."


"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." David Frum

This in an awful argument that has no place in the CDZ. I love how the moderators will move a legit topic like “what’s the endgame for people who want to continue lockdown” from politics into conspiracy theories...but this trash stays in on the one area that should actually be policed. This is nothing but vague and subjective words attached with a priori assumptions, from an opinion of some guy. This OP is the equivalent to saying “ford is better than Chevy, because ford are cars built with gumption, and chevy is doodoo.” Vague subjective words, with a priori assumption. I could pick 3 words out of my rear, and make Carter sound like a good president if I make enough a priori statements.

Can we get some real topics please, and move this trash out of CDZ and into the hell hole that is politics where it belongs.
 
'The Atlantic writer David Frum argues that “democracy is tested by its ability to deliver security, prosperity, and justice”. By that metric, the Trump presidency is a shambolic failure.'

'The former George W Bush speechwriter thinks 21st-century conservatism has ‘delivered much more harm than good’'


"Over the past half-century, the GOP has morphed into the heir of George Wallace, the segregationist Alabama governor and presidential candidate, and Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon’s paleoconservative speechwriter. The party of Abraham Lincoln and the upward arc is gone."


"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." David Frum


Donald Trump is a Democrat Disinformation Artist that flipped what used to be the patriot and constitutionalist movement (for lack of a more descriptive adjective.) The problems Trump addresses are very real. But, Trump knows what is going to fly in the courts, despite what he does. What you have today is the MAGA supporters and the liberal Democrats both going to the same destination via different routes. It is a symbiotic relationship much like a flea and a dog. Democrats are winning as the MAGA supporters walk into a web of deceit wherein the strategies will come back to bite them in the arse. Because people worship Trump as if he is Jesus incarnate, conservatives dare not speak out.

Patriots and constitutionalists cannot win "democratically." Thomas Jefferson once remarked, "The natural progress of things is for Liberty to yield and government to gain ground." Right now, the MAGA supporters reject Liberty and the Democrats never had any use for individual Rights. You do the math.
President Trump has done a good job considering how DC liars tried to ruin him. In attempting to smear a good man, the Democrats smeared themselves, pandering after an impeachment that will never be carried into the destruction of America.

Now, the judiciary will be cleaning house on entrapment Obama and Clinton ordered to sabotage their successors in the Oval office.

History, just as our system, will give Obama and Clinton a free ride. If they pay for their crimes, it will be in the hereafter.
 
‘”If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." David Frum.’ ibid

True.

Indeed, this is already becoming reality – conservatives are perfectly content with their minority rule.

The right’s use of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and efforts to otherwise undermine and poison the political process are all intended to offset their demographic disadvantage.

And with the courts dominated by conservative judges and justices, there is no recourse for the people to seek relief from the right’s minority rule.


Idiotic
 
“Conservative Values”

An oxymoron if there ever was one.
Conservative, as in conserve time tested values. You don’t progress to those values, progressive values is the oxymoron. Conservatives want to conserve the constitution, progressives want to progress away from it, or else there’d be nowhere to progress too because we’re already there. Get it
 
'The Atlantic writer David Frum argues that “democracy is tested by its ability to deliver security, prosperity, and justice”. By that metric, the Trump presidency is a shambolic failure.'

'The former George W Bush speechwriter thinks 21st-century conservatism has ‘delivered much more harm than good’'


"Over the past half-century, the GOP has morphed into the heir of George Wallace, the segregationist Alabama governor and presidential candidate, and Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon’s paleoconservative speechwriter. The party of Abraham Lincoln and the upward arc is gone."


"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." David Frum

Things improve with time. So it is with the GOP, but alas, not so with the Demo-
Socialist party.
That’s for sure. Their hatred of America has been even more blatant. And I didn’t think that was possible after Obama.
 
“Conservative Values”

An oxymoron if there ever was one.
Conservative, as in conserve time tested values. You don’t progress to those values, progressive values is the oxymoron. Conservatives want to conserve the constitution, progressives want to progress away from it, or else there’d be nowhere to progress too because we’re already there. Get it

Presupposing that to be true, what politician has said they believe in the Constitution as originally written and intended? What politician has vowed to oppose any legislation that increases the size, power and scope of government? What politician has done either of those things?
 
President Trump and lieutenant governor Daniel Patrick asking the elderly to sacrifice their lives to save the economy. Asking old people to die for the gross national product is....well....gross.
Oh...you mean the seniors democratic Governors murdered in nursing homes to keep COVID numbers up to justify the economic lockdown. I’m sure you all reminded them they all needed to take one for the team for the good of the Democratic Party.
 
President Trump and lieutenant governor Daniel Patrick asking the elderly to sacrifice their lives to save the economy. Asking old people to die for the gross national product is....well....gross.
Oh...you mean the seniors democratic Governors murdered in nursing homes to keep COVID numbers up to justify the economic lockdown. I’m sure you all reminded them they all needed to take one for the team for the good of the Democratic Party.

This is the CDZ - not the Conspiracy Theory folder.
 
President Trump and lieutenant governor Daniel Patrick asking the elderly to sacrifice their lives to save the economy. Asking old people to die for the gross national product is....well....gross.

How long do we need to remain locked down so that no old people ever die?
 

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