What government programs have you benefited from?

[☭proletarian☭]

For example, if a state does not teach certain unnecessary crap in its schools, it will receive no federal education money. The problem here is the federal government has no constitutional authority to do that.

To do what, not give the States money?

I especially love how you like to use roads as an example yet you then complain that roads are falling apart. Well the reason roads are falling apart is that the government doesn't spend the billions collected annually in federal and state gas taxes, excise taxes and tolls that are supposed to pay for roads on roads.

Most roads are locally maintained. Blame the city council and the mayor.

Our tax system is backwards. Federal taxes should be less than local and state taxes because our government was designed to leave more power with the states and therefore more directly in the hands of the people rather than having a behemoth of a federal government that rides rough shod over the country. And even town and city government routinely **** things up.

People keep voting for them...

 

[Oddball]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

You make it sound like we don't pay for all that.

We do.

I'm sorry...I forgot Libertarians consider the Government to be some mythical organization instead of the will and money of the people.

Can I borrow a bucket of gubmint from you?

I promise I'll pay you back with a barrel full of it at the end of the month.

 

[jillian]

I'm not here illegal, so my answer is none.

so you didn't go to school.

don't use public roads or transportion.

suck asbestos in at work.

and have lead in your paint.




want to re-think your answer?

Those i paid for nothing free there.

You built your own roads and public transportation?

okie dokie.

 

[froggy]

so you didn't go to school.

don't use public roads or transportion.

suck asbestos in at work.

and have lead in your paint.




want to re-think your answer?

Those i paid for nothing free there.

You built your own roads and public transportation?

okie dokie.

Every time i buy gas, and i don't use public tran.

 

[Nosmo King]

The federal government is mandated to regulate interstate commerce, maintain ports and roads, provide military protection, mint currency and coinage, and promote the general welfare.

Some anarchists here seem to feel they could live very well without any government. Those same anarchists further call for protection of and a strict interpretation of the constitution. I wonder how on earth they rationalize these two opposing philosophies? It's a great kick to watch them try and convince others that they are right.

 

[Oddball]

Ahhh...The all-too-predictable and pedantic reducto ad anarchist red herring.

Like we couldn't see that one coming from a mile away.

 

[Nosmo King]

Ahhh...The all-too-predictable and pedantic reducto ad anarchist red herring.

Like we couldn't see that one coming from a mile away.

Then what government programs have you benefited from and why? You seem to advocate nothing other than self sufficiency for every condition from transportation systems to edible processed foods.

Surely there are some functions of government you approve of!

All our troubles are over, Dude!

 

[Oddball]

Way to try to distract from your ridiculous post, by trying to make it about me.

 

[Skull Pilot]

For example, if a state does not teach certain unnecessary crap in its schools, it will receive no federal education money. The problem here is the federal government has no constitutional authority to do that.

To do what, not give the States money?

The federal government has no constitutional power to govern education especially not by coercion

I especially love how you like to use roads as an example yet you then complain that roads are falling apart. Well the reason roads are falling apart is that the government doesn't spend the billions collected annually in federal and state gas taxes, excise taxes and tolls that are supposed to pay for roads on roads.

Most roads are locally maintained. Blame the city council and the mayor.

Government is government and the fact that states squander the money they collect in taxes and tolls that are supposed to be earmarked for the maintenance of roads only means that states are just as good at misappropriation of funds

Our tax system is backwards. Federal taxes should be less than local and state taxes because our government was designed to leave more power with the states and therefore more directly in the hands of the people rather than having a behemoth of a federal government that rides rough shod over the country. And even town and city government routinely **** things up.

People keep voting for them...

people are sheep

 

[manifold]

Programs that I've benefitted from that I didn't help pay for: ZERO


true story

 

[Oddball]

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, I've benefited from all the wonderful goodies that Santa Gubmint has bestowed upon me, with his benevolent patronage.

When was I provided with any choice in the matter?

 

[Paulie]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

Rav, I took a $2k student loan that was UNSUBSIDIZED, and only involves the government in the event that I defaulted on it. I promptly paid it back with profits from a stock trade I made.

Anyway, let's break down your list..

Public school and anything relating to it is ridiculous to debate. As a libertarian, I support public schooling, only without intervention from the federal level.

Uncontaminated food? Are you referring to the fact that the FDA's existence increases the likelihood that the food you eat is safe? I don't oppose the FDA, by the way. And even with them, we still end up with contaminated food.

Military protection is dumb. There's probably not a single poster on this board the opposes the military. It's distinctly laid out in the constitution.

Clear roads? We couldn't have clear roads without the government? State your case, I'm all ears.

FEMA is fine as long as the only thing they do is step in and provide aid after a major disaster, and that's IT.

 

[manifold]

Rav, I took a $2k student loan that was UNSUBSIDIZED, and only involves the government in the event that I defaulted on it. I promptly paid it back with profits from a stock trade I made.

Anyway, let's break down your list..

Public school and anything relating to it is ridiculous to debate. As a libertarian, I support public schooling, only without intervention from the federal level.

Uncontaminated food? Are you referring to the fact that the FDA's existence increases the likelihood that the food you eat is safe? I don't oppose the FDA, by the way. And even with them, we still end up with contaminated food.

Military protection is dumb. There's probably not a single poster on this board the opposes the military. It's distinctly laid out in the constitution.

Clear roads? We couldn't have clear roads without the government? State your case, I'm all ears.

FEMA is fine as long as the only thing they do is step in and provide aid after a major disaster, and that's IT.

I'm not sure if you remember the discussion that was had a while back where Ravi accused someone (don't remember who exactly) of being a hypocrite because he advocated libertarian ideals but also used a student loan to go to college. According to her disingenuous argument, he should stick by his ideals when it comes to making use of government programs, but of course still pay for those programs just like every other taxpayer. By her own retarded logic, everyone advocating higher taxes to pay for healthcare is a hypocrite if they're not cutting an extra check to the IRS above what they're legally obligated to pay.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The federal government has no constitutional power to govern education especially not by coercion

Coercion? It's not coercion, it's an incentive. 'Hey, if you teach them well, we'll give you money'

people are sheep

~70% of Americans, anyway

 

[☭proletarian☭]

When was I provided with any choice in the matter?

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[Oddball]

Way to not answer the question, asshole.

How does my mere existence provide proof of a debt to be paid to anyone?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Noone's stopping you from moving to a shack in the mountains, Dude. You choose to be a part of this society. You choose to use public roads, participate in the government, use the local sewage system...

 

[Paulie]

Rav, I took a $2k student loan that was UNSUBSIDIZED, and only involves the government in the event that I defaulted on it. I promptly paid it back with profits from a stock trade I made.

Anyway, let's break down your list..

Public school and anything relating to it is ridiculous to debate. As a libertarian, I support public schooling, only without intervention from the federal level.

Uncontaminated food? Are you referring to the fact that the FDA's existence increases the likelihood that the food you eat is safe? I don't oppose the FDA, by the way. And even with them, we still end up with contaminated food.

Military protection is dumb. There's probably not a single poster on this board the opposes the military. It's distinctly laid out in the constitution.

Clear roads? We couldn't have clear roads without the government? State your case, I'm all ears.

FEMA is fine as long as the only thing they do is step in and provide aid after a major disaster, and that's IT.

I'm not sure if you remember the discussion that was had a while back where Ravi accused someone (don't remember who exactly) of being a hypocrite because he advocated libertarian ideals but also used a student loan to go to college. According to her disingenuous argument, he should stick by his ideals when it comes to making use of government programs, but of course still pay for those programs just like every other taxpayer. By her own retarded logic, everyone advocating higher taxes to pay for healthcare is a hypocrite if they're not cutting an extra check to the IRS above what they're legally obligated to pay.

That was me, Mani. And the only way I would have "benefitted from a government program" would have been if I defaulted, in which case the government would have picked up the tab. But it's not like I would have gotten away scott free, my credit would have been affected greatly. So it's not like it's anything close to some kind of free handout. I had plenty of incentive to WANT to pay the loan back.

She automatically assumed it was a subsidized loan, when in fact it actuall wasn't. The government did not have any part in paying the interest on my loan whatsoever. She just WANTED it to be, so she could say she had some kind of case against me. She never has, and never will

 

[Luissa]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

Rav, I took a $2k student loan that was UNSUBSIDIZED, and only involves the government in the event that I defaulted on it. I promptly paid it back with profits from a stock trade I made.

Anyway, let's break down your list..

Public school and anything relating to it is ridiculous to debate. As a libertarian, I support public schooling, only without intervention from the federal level.

Uncontaminated food? Are you referring to the fact that the FDA's existence increases the likelihood that the food you eat is safe? I don't oppose the FDA, by the way. And even with them, we still end up with contaminated food.

Military protection is dumb. There's probably not a single poster on this board the opposes the military. It's distinctly laid out in the constitution.

Clear roads? We couldn't have clear roads without the government? State your case, I'm all ears.

FEMA is fine as long as the only thing they do is step in and provide aid after a major disaster, and that's IT.

Go to Wyomning or South Dakota during the winter time and try to drive down I 90 which was also built with government funding, without government funded snow plows, and truck snow blowers. How about where I lived last year? Our governor declared a state emergencies because with private and public snow plows there was too much snow to tackle, we then recieved aid and other help. It is like some of you guys live in vacuum.

 

[chanel]

I do not advocate "free college for all" but - hot damn - if Obama wanted to pay my kids' tuition, I wouldn't stand in his way. I'd be willing to be called "hypocrite" for $50K a year.

It's not surprising that no one is admitting taking gubmint cheese here. Is it still considered shameful?