What government programs have you benefited from?

[Sunshine]

OMG! I can't believe when I made my list I forgot this!

The Kentucky and Barkley dam projects here in KY. I grew up on the lake, and now have moved back to make my home where I can see KY Lake every day!

I couldn't have built this wonderful water system here. It has made a tremendous impact on my life both as an adolescent and as an adult!

 

[dilloduck]

OMG! I can't believe when I made my list I forgot this!

The Kentucky and Barkley dam projects here in KY. I grew up on the lake, and now have moved back to make my home where I can see KY Lake every day!

I couldn't have built this wonderful water system here. It has made a tremendous impact on my life both as an adolescent and as an adult!

maybe if you pooled you money together with some buddies who weren't with the fed---

 

[Oddball]

Your employer pays the unemployment insurance, that is why you normally have to pay taxes on the income you draw from it, because you were never taxed for it...(the stimulus bill took away owing taxes on it temporarily)

But the employer does usually prorate the cost of this insurance in to your total compensation.

The greatest shell game in all of amateur accounting.

Employers don't pay anything for anyone. Those costs come out of the percentage of their budget that's available for employees. Were they not sending those funds to bureaucrats, they would be available for employees pay, better equipment and/or a more competitive pricing structure.

TANFL

 

[Immanuel]

Your employer pays the unemployment insurance, that is why you normally have to pay taxes on the income you draw from it, because you were never taxed for it...(the stimulus bill took away owing taxes on it temporarily)

But the employer does usually prorate the cost of this insurance in to your total compensation.

The greatest shell game in all of amateur accounting.

Employers don't pay anything for anyone. Those costs come out of the percentage of their budget that's available for employees. Were they not sending those funds to bureaucrats, they would be available for employees pay, better equipment and/or a more competitive pricing structure.

TANFL

Ideally that is how it would work, but really it is not how it works.

An employer may have a budget figure available for wages, but when it comes to hiring he is going to base his employment offer on what he thinks he can hire the employee for. He would pay that salary whether or not there are unemployment taxes and if there were no unemployment taxes or employer portion of FICA taxes he is not going to up the ante for the employee. He's going to pocket the profit himself.

Immie

 

[Oddball]

Not necessarily.

Al it would take is a small minority of business owners to pay that increase in available funds to employees, for there to be an upward pressure on prevailing wages.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

How many of those did I choose the 200+ years prior to my ability to vote?

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[Immanuel]

Not necessarily.

Al it would take is a small minority of business owners to pay that increase in available funds to employees, for there to be an upward pressure on prevailing wages.

Yeah, like that is going to happen.

I got a taste of employer loyalty at 12:28 today.

At quarter to four I was filling out the online unemployment application.

Immie

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

You only made it to 5th grade?

Well, that explains a thing or two

 

[Ravi]

Your employer pays the unemployment insurance, that is why you normally have to pay taxes on the income you draw from it, because you were never taxed for it...(the stimulus bill took away owing taxes on it temporarily)

But the employer does usually prorate the cost of this insurance in to your total compensation.

The greatest shell game in all of amateur accounting.

Employers don't pay anything for anyone. Those costs come out of the percentage of their budget that's available for employees. Were they not sending those funds to bureaucrats, they would be available for employees pay, better equipment and/or a more competitive pricing structure.

TANFL

Ideally that is how it would work, but really it is not how it works.

An employer may have a budget figure available for wages, but when it comes to hiring he is going to base his employment offer on what he thinks he can hire the employee for. He would pay that salary whether or not there are unemployment taxes and if there were no unemployment taxes or employer portion of FICA taxes he is not going to up the ante for the employee. He's going to pocket the profit himself.

Immie

Yep. Employers are in business to profit. They will pay the going rate for employees. If the employee is outstanding or vital, the salary will be negotiated.

But it is good to know that employers don't actually pay anything for anyone.

 

[goldcatt]

Not necessarily.

Al it would take is a small minority of business owners to pay that increase in available funds to employees, for there to be an upward pressure on prevailing wages.

Some employers would pass it along to the employee, some would pass it along in part, some would pocket it all. There are still some business owners who take pride in taking care of their employees. But how many would pass along enough of the additional funds to place upward pressure on the prevailing wage? I don't know, but I suspect a lot is going to depend on the area.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Picking up the trash does not make a rally cry for more statist programs

You forget that market economics does not call for the elimination of all gov't
If fact it recognizes things like public goods and natural monopolies



What government programs have I benefited from?

tax cuts

 

[Immanuel]

The greatest shell game in all of amateur accounting.

Employers don't pay anything for anyone. Those costs come out of the percentage of their budget that's available for employees. Were they not sending those funds to bureaucrats, they would be available for employees pay, better equipment and/or a more competitive pricing structure.

TANFL

Ideally that is how it would work, but really it is not how it works.

An employer may have a budget figure available for wages, but when it comes to hiring he is going to base his employment offer on what he thinks he can hire the employee for. He would pay that salary whether or not there are unemployment taxes and if there were no unemployment taxes or employer portion of FICA taxes he is not going to up the ante for the employee. He's going to pocket the profit himself.

Immie

Yep. Employers are in business to profit. They will pay the going rate for employees. If the employee is outstanding or vital, the salary will be negotiated.

But it is good to know that employers don't actually pay anything for anyone.

But that is not what I said. I said that employers pay the market rate for an employee. I believe you said that you were a business owner. You hire your employees and you offer them what you believe they are worth. The employee asks for what he/she believes to be worth. Somewhere in the middle if you decide to hire that employee, you will agree on a salary or wage. That salary or wage includes other costs of employment i.e. payroll taxes and fringe benefits.

The employer pays the payroll taxes including the unemployment taxes, but those are part of the cost of employment.

If there were no Unemployment taxes/Social Security taxes/Medicare taxes the employer would not increase the employee's wages by that amount nor would the employer be obligated to do so. That would not stop the employee from negotiating for a higher figure, but that rarely if ever happens.

There is nothing wrong with that attitude of the employer. That is what they are in business to do. They would not be cheating the employee either. Those payroll taxes are part of the costs of the employer to hire an employee. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the employer minimizing such costs. What the removal of those taxes would do is increase the available funds that the employer could offer such an employee.

I can tell you, as a former employee, that most employees don't understand the true costs of being an employer. Nor does the employee appreciate what the employer does for him/her.

Immie

 

[Oddball]

The ratios on the business model still remain the same. There's X% for employees, Y% for profit, Z% for raw materials costs, etcetera.

While, admittedly, ALL of such a mythical reduction in taxes that "the employer pays" wouldn't go to current employees, it's unarguable that the combination of upward pressure on wages and downward pressure on prices would benefit those who depend upon wages for their incomes.....Getting more for the money one makes is just as good as a raise.

 

[RodISHI]

Your employer pays the unemployment insurance, that is why you normally have to pay taxes on the income you draw from it, because you were never taxed for it...(the stimulus bill took away owing taxes on it temporarily)

But the employer does usually prorate the cost of this insurance in to your total compensation.

The greatest shell game in all of amateur accounting.

Employers don't pay anything for anyone. Those costs come out of the percentage of their budget that's available for employees. Were they not sending those funds to bureaucrats, they would be available for employees pay, better equipment and/or a more competitive pricing structure.

TANFL

Ideally that is how it would work, but really it is not how it works.

An employer may have a budget figure available for wages, but when it comes to hiring he is going to base his employment offer on what he thinks he can hire the employee for. He would pay that salary whether or not there are unemployment taxes and if there were no unemployment taxes or employer portion of FICA taxes he is not going to up the ante for the employee. He's going to pocket the profit himself.

Immie

You are correct. Most employers will pocket those extra dollars for themselves.

Unemployment insurance is minimal. Does not cost much or did not cost much after all the emergency UE after the last year it will most likely go up. The employment pays a standard rate the first year. By the second year the employer normally has a lower rate unless they let employees go in the first year and those employees draw unemployment. Construction work has normally the highest percentage as they most often lay off for several months of the year. It is just a cost of doing business.

The biggest cost increases we faced as a business was liability insurance. Ours quadrupled in just a few years even though we had no losses. Insurance companies work on percentages and just like any other business they are going to charge whatever the market will bare. From 1.2% to over 14% increase in less than five years if I recall correctly. No losses through those years or any years after.

We had state operated WC insurance and that was also very low. We even got money back most years because the rates are determined on how many losses occur in that labor base and as an added bonus the state paid back any excess on again a percentage. Private insurance cost triple of what we paid with the state fund on WC. The company had two employee work related injuries in 13 years of operation. Employed up to and over forty people pt and ft.

 

[Oddball]

You are correct. Most employers will pocket those extra dollars for themselves.

I doubt that would be most employers....Like I already pointed out, the ratios for expenses and profit margins in any business remain the same.

All it would take is a few businesses raising wages and/or lowering prices for others who want to stay in business to follow suit.

 

[Douger]

Benefited ? NONE
First thing first numnutz.
Your water is fluoridated and your food is genetically modified bullshit full of heavy metals.
I refer not to Ozzy Ozbornes urine, altho, if you live in LA, some traces of the drugs he used may very well be in your water supply.
Your meat is full of hormones and antibiotics and your dairy products are irradiated.
Peanuts
Spinach
Ground beef.
Nuff said.

The educational system is a joke. You are living proof. They teach you to wave flags and tell you you are number one. In your case it worked like a champ.

Your infrastructure is in a shambles. You have the shitiest railroads in the "developed" world.
So the snow plows are running.That's from your property tax.

I adopted my kids. I wasn't stupid enough to bring anyone into this world ruled by the idiot empire.
I educated them. Before it was fashionable. Then they went to college..at 16. I paid for it.

The IRS stole over 1.2 million dollars from me between 1993 and 2004.
All that money did for me was protect me from having the ******* Afghan navy beach land and attack Miami.
The airbase protected me from having Fidel and Saddam send their aircraft carriers to Biscayne Bay.

I renounced my shitizenshit so you wont have to worry about borrowing any money from China and your grandkids to pay me in old age.

Now go stare at George Washington and play with your peter.
I say George because Ben usually doesn't show up on counters in trailer parks.

Have a nice weekend

 

[Dr Gregg]

Public school education, and student loans at a low interest rate (not sure though if that was gov't involvement there

Police and fireman when I had an accident, and when the store I worked for was robbed

NIH funding of research in the labs I did research in as a graduate student and as a postdoc. Plus all the benefits of medicaiton that came from NIH funding basic research, helping out biotech/pharm companies develop those findings. Plus a future job in the industry or a university

Cheap bus fare to take to work

Fed mandated vaccinations to fend of many of the nasty diseases that many people used to die from

FDA, EPA, etc that help keep our food and drugs relatively safe and prevent us from being defrauded.

Shoot, I can go on and on, which is why it pisses me off when people complain about tax money, and "I don't want my money going to this" when everybody has benefited frmo what our gov't does for us and help make us such a rich nation with a strong infrastructure and a stable gov't

 

[Dr Gregg]

Are you assuming that a private water company would sell you dirty water?

It's a pretty safe assumption considering all the business violations of the past. Prior to FDA, there was no standards, people could sell toxin and kill people. Could mislead people, pass off junk as food, etc. Prior to EPA, business would dump toxins in the water, on the land.

History tells me without gov't protecting us, business would find ways to cut corner at the behest of the public's safety

 

[Douger]

LOL
Safety first !
Gawd Blass Murkastan !
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[Dr Gregg]

Benefited ? NONE
First thing first numnutz.
Your water is fluoridated and your food is genetically modified bullshit full of heavy metals.
I refer not to Ozzy Ozbornes urine, altho, if you live in LA, some traces of the drugs he used may very well be in your water supply.
Your meat is full of hormones and antibiotics and your dairy products are irradiated.
Peanuts
Spinach
Ground beef.
Nuff said.

The educational system is a joke. You are living proof. They teach you to wave flags and tell you you are number one. In your case it worked like a champ.

Your infrastructure is in a shambles. You have the shitiest railroads in the "developed" world.
So the snow plows are running.That's from your property tax.

I adopted my kids. I wasn't stupid enough to bring anyone into this world ruled by the idiot empire.
I educated them. Before it was fashionable. Then they went to college..at 16. I paid for it.

The IRS stole over 1.2 million dollars from me between 1993 and 2004.
All that money did for me was protect me from having the ******* Afghan navy beach land and attack Miami.
The airbase protected me from having Fidel and Saddam send their aircraft carriers to Biscayne Bay.

I renounced my shitizenshit so you wont have to worry about borrowing any money from China and your grandkids to pay me in old age.

Now go stare at George Washington and play with your peter.
I say George because Ben usually doesn't show up on counters in trailer parks.

Have a nice weekend

Umm, lets see, I went to public school, then to a state school, then to grad school getting a PhD in genetics. The public school system worked fine for me, plus the affordable state school.

There is nothing wrong with genetically modified foods other than people's paranoia, no dangers there. Imagine without gov't regulation what would be going on with our food, liklely full of a ton of other stuff.
Infrastructure is pretty damn good comapred to majority of the world. We didn't need a rail infrastructure cause we were getting cheap gas and everybody could afford to have a car, fly, etc.

Anyway, feel free to leave then if you renounce your citizenship.

Funny, claim education system is a joke and that person is proof of it, and then you post this steaming pile of shit