Crepitus
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Go over to my response to the guy you quoted and help him sound it out. Maybe between the two of you you can get it without having someone read it to you.
What exactly does BLM want?
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candycorn
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I agree. There are people who are only happy when they are complaining. BLM is their own worst enemy.
Mac1958
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BLM is one organization. This is not about them. This significantly pre-dates them. There is MUCH more to it than them.
They are just one reaction to an environment that has existed for a LONG TIME.
We have too many people burying their heads in the sand. Jesus.
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BLM is a domestic Taliban. And yes Mac1958, these anti-American savages apparently funded by Soros types and delusional Whites brainwashed by Frankfurt school controlled public schools and colleges have been at it for years. They simply use savages resisting arrest as an excuse.
Actually neither I nor the study looks simply at the result. In fact, in its introduction, it recognizes that racism isn't the best explanation for it. It states economics as the main reason. I've been here on record on multiple OP's recognizing the folly of boiling the systemic problems (note I didn't say racism) of the justice system and society as a whole to simply racism.So your counter-argument against a report filed to the UN a report that you don't dispute the facts of is a hypothetical anecdote that would at best count as an excuse? Can you tell the difference between the strengths of our argument?And yet that's not what the report shows. Same crimes, harsher sentences.when you commit crimes you get arrested ... and when you keep committing crimes become a habitual scum bag repeat offender you get more time in jail.
The Color of Justice: Racial and Ethnic Disparity in State Prisons – The Sentencing Project
Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons across the country at nearly five times the rate of whites.www.sentencingproject.org
The constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Statistics don't show that, blacks are not just more likely to be arrested, they are also more likely to get sentenced harsher.
Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project
Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance
Racial profiling is not just pervasive but also discriminatory in its nature.
The problem is your reports (and I've read several like them) compare apples to oranges.
A young white guy gets busted with some coke, and a black guy gets busted with the same amount.
The white guy when busted surrenders to police and cooperates fully. While being processed, he doesn't give them any hard time. He ends up in court, very well dressed, new hair cut, and pays attention to the proceedings. When allowed to speak, he apologizes to the court, tells them he simply made a very stupid mistake. The judge (who has his criminal record) only sees that one charge.
The black guy when busted run from the cops. In the process, he tries to get rid of the evidence. When the cops catch up to him, he starts fighting them. When the police find the bag he threw away, he states it isn't his, even though one of the officers seen him throw the bag. When he gets to the station, he refuses to cooperate. He ends up in court looking like he just left a bar. He's rolling his eyes during the proceeding, not looking at the judge or the prosecutor, shaking his head back and forth. The judge not only watches his disrespect for the court, but looks at is criminal record which is lengthy, especially for a guy his age.
Can you tell me why these two different judges would give both offenders the same sentence?
My point is that you (and these studies) only look at the bottom line. There is a lot of in-between that is ignored. I've been to court. I was in a judges chamber when he interviewed the police on the conduct of the person involved; he interviewed me. It was not pleasant, and it was a black guy. The judge did not favor him very much based on what we told him.
We don't penalize people simply on the thing they are being in court for. If it were that easy, and everybody got the same penalty regardless of circumstance, then we would only need a printer to spit out the same sentence no matter what each and every time.
We have judges for a reason. The judge has to weigh everything in a case, not just the charge itself. In my example above, a judge is not likely to throw the book at a guy who got caught up in a bad situation, making him a felon, and spending the best years of his life in prison for a simple mistake. Conversely, he's not going to give a guy a break who's been in and out of the slammer repeatedly, especially if it's the same kind of crime.
Since this subject rears it's ugly head from time to time, I'm going to throw you a bone here. One day I asked a friend of mine, who works in the justice system in downtown Cleveland if he thought blacks get harsher sentences than whites? He said he had no statistics available, but his opinion is that yes, depending on the judge, at times they do.
But guess what? The judges he was referring to were black judges. It makes sense. If a white judge had animosity to black people in general, the worst thing he could do for a black community is get that criminal back out on their streets. The best thing he could do is lock up that criminal for as long as possible.
A black judge is the opposite. He or she may live in those black communities, or perhaps family or friends. The best thing that black judge could do is throw the book at a black criminal. They want to rid their society of such people, not give them a slap on the hand for them to return and cause more trouble.
In the end, the reason for inequality doesn't really matter to those who are a victim of it, they just see that it happens and the injustice of it.
What is important to those that want to solve the problems is that the fact that there is a problem is acknowledged and that the reasons for it are discussed honestly. That means that black people don't immediately assume racism as the only reason for their problems (although denying it exists is equally dishonest). And those who oppose BLM don't deny the validity of their concerns and for sure not focus on the minority who use violence during the protests.
harmonica
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.....you don't even know the answer---hahahahha--which makes what everyone is saying about blacks not even knowing what BLM wants or means = true
harmonica
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..there is no problem of police brutality--I've linked this before
harmonica
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..I work with a lot of blacks in the police equipment business--and business is down because of the protesting by blacks
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BLM is a neo-communist front group bent on the destruction and fundamental transformation of America into a global socialist police state run by oligarchs out of Europe.
harmonica
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....BLM are like the nazis who want to kill whites...I've linked this many times..they are America's worst enemy--and if you don't see that, you are a dumbass and hate America
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The people who buy into the neo-communist propaganda and race baiting are what stalin would call useful idiots, advocating for their own enslavement.
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Actually neither I nor the study looks simply at the result. In fact, in its introduction, it recognizes that racism isn't the best explanation for it. It states economics as the main reason. I've been here on record on multiple OP's recognizing the folly of boiling the systemic problems (note I didn't say racism) of the justice system and society as a whole to simply racism.So your counter-argument against a report filed to the UN a report that you don't dispute the facts of is a hypothetical anecdote that would at best count as an excuse? Can you tell the difference between the strengths of our argument?And yet that's not what the report shows. Same crimes, harsher sentences.when you commit crimes you get arrested ... and when you keep committing crimes become a habitual scum bag repeat offender you get more time in jail.The Color of Justice: Racial and Ethnic Disparity in State Prisons – The Sentencing Project
Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons across the country at nearly five times the rate of whites.The constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Statistics don't show that, blacks are not just more likely to be arrested, they are also more likely to get sentenced harsher.Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project
Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance
Racial profiling is not just pervasive but also discriminatory in its nature.
The problem is your reports (and I've read several like them) compare apples to oranges.
A young white guy gets busted with some coke, and a black guy gets busted with the same amount.
The white guy when busted surrenders to police and cooperates fully. While being processed, he doesn't give them any hard time. He ends up in court, very well dressed, new hair cut, and pays attention to the proceedings. When allowed to speak, he apologizes to the court, tells them he simply made a very stupid mistake. The judge (who has his criminal record) only sees that one charge.
The black guy when busted run from the cops. In the process, he tries to get rid of the evidence. When the cops catch up to him, he starts fighting them. When the police find the bag he threw away, he states it isn't his, even though one of the officers seen him throw the bag. When he gets to the station, he refuses to cooperate. He ends up in court looking like he just left a bar. He's rolling his eyes during the proceeding, not looking at the judge or the prosecutor, shaking his head back and forth. The judge not only watches his disrespect for the court, but looks at is criminal record which is lengthy, especially for a guy his age.
Can you tell me why these two different judges would give both offenders the same sentence?
My point is that you (and these studies) only look at the bottom line. There is a lot of in-between that is ignored. I've been to court. I was in a judges chamber when he interviewed the police on the conduct of the person involved; he interviewed me. It was not pleasant, and it was a black guy. The judge did not favor him very much based on what we told him.
We don't penalize people simply on the thing they are being in court for. If it were that easy, and everybody got the same penalty regardless of circumstance, then we would only need a printer to spit out the same sentence no matter what each and every time.
We have judges for a reason. The judge has to weigh everything in a case, not just the charge itself. In my example above, a judge is not likely to throw the book at a guy who got caught up in a bad situation, making him a felon, and spending the best years of his life in prison for a simple mistake. Conversely, he's not going to give a guy a break who's been in and out of the slammer repeatedly, especially if it's the same kind of crime.
Since this subject rears it's ugly head from time to time, I'm going to throw you a bone here. One day I asked a friend of mine, who works in the justice system in downtown Cleveland if he thought blacks get harsher sentences than whites? He said he had no statistics available, but his opinion is that yes, depending on the judge, at times they do.
But guess what? The judges he was referring to were black judges. It makes sense. If a white judge had animosity to black people in general, the worst thing he could do for a black community is get that criminal back out on their streets. The best thing he could do is lock up that criminal for as long as possible.
A black judge is the opposite. He or she may live in those black communities, or perhaps family or friends. The best thing that black judge could do is throw the book at a black criminal. They want to rid their society of such people, not give them a slap on the hand for them to return and cause more trouble.
In the end, the reason for inequality doesn't really matter to those who are a victim of it, they just see that it happens and the injustice of it.
What is important to those that want to solve the problems is that the fact that there is a problem is acknowledged and that the reasons for it are discussed honestly. That means that black people don't immediately assume racism as the only reason for their problems (although denying it exists is equally dishonest). And those who oppose BLM don't deny the validity of their concerns and for sure not focus on the minority who use violence during the protests.
Your remark goes right back to the OP. WTF do they want?
This started over a black suspect dying partially over the actions of a white police officer. Nothing in their interactions indicated anything of race between the victim or any of the officers. The department seen the video. They arrested the police officer, and charged him with murder. He will have his day in court. He will likely go to prison. So what are the protests and riots about? What do these savages want us to do, kill the police officer on the spot before an investigation even starts?
I'd be willing to bet that if you could stop each and every person at these protests/ riots, half of them wouldn't even know Floyd's name. It's not about him, it's about the fact that Democrats have allowed this to happen two other times in their cities recently with little to no resistance, and now these people think they can pull this stunt anytime they want with impunity. Floyd was merely an excuse for them to act out. They don't care, and neither does BLM.
Poverty has nothing to do with it either. Our homeless people have cell phones for crying out loud. People from other countries that come here laugh at what we consider poverty. So-called poverty is nothing more than a cheap excuse for criminal behavior.
Ray From Cleveland
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I got it--you don't. You said they want equal treatment. Well, we want equal treatment too.
Crepitus
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You're already getting more than equal.trestment.
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..I've asked MANY times on USMB= how are these incidents RACIAL????!!..I get no answersActually neither I nor the study looks simply at the result. In fact, in its introduction, it recognizes that racism isn't the best explanation for it. It states economics as the main reason. I've been here on record on multiple OP's recognizing the folly of boiling the systemic problems (note I didn't say racism) of the justice system and society as a whole to simply racism.So your counter-argument against a report filed to the UN a report that you don't dispute the facts of is a hypothetical anecdote that would at best count as an excuse? Can you tell the difference between the strengths of our argument?And yet that's not what the report shows. Same crimes, harsher sentences.when you commit crimes you get arrested ... and when you keep committing crimes become a habitual scum bag repeat offender you get more time in jail.The Color of Justice: Racial and Ethnic Disparity in State Prisons – The Sentencing Project
Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons across the country at nearly five times the rate of whites.The constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Statistics don't show that, blacks are not just more likely to be arrested, they are also more likely to get sentenced harsher.Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project
Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance
Racial profiling is not just pervasive but also discriminatory in its nature.
The problem is your reports (and I've read several like them) compare apples to oranges.
A young white guy gets busted with some coke, and a black guy gets busted with the same amount.
The white guy when busted surrenders to police and cooperates fully. While being processed, he doesn't give them any hard time. He ends up in court, very well dressed, new hair cut, and pays attention to the proceedings. When allowed to speak, he apologizes to the court, tells them he simply made a very stupid mistake. The judge (who has his criminal record) only sees that one charge.
The black guy when busted run from the cops. In the process, he tries to get rid of the evidence. When the cops catch up to him, he starts fighting them. When the police find the bag he threw away, he states it isn't his, even though one of the officers seen him throw the bag. When he gets to the station, he refuses to cooperate. He ends up in court looking like he just left a bar. He's rolling his eyes during the proceeding, not looking at the judge or the prosecutor, shaking his head back and forth. The judge not only watches his disrespect for the court, but looks at is criminal record which is lengthy, especially for a guy his age.
Can you tell me why these two different judges would give both offenders the same sentence?
My point is that you (and these studies) only look at the bottom line. There is a lot of in-between that is ignored. I've been to court. I was in a judges chamber when he interviewed the police on the conduct of the person involved; he interviewed me. It was not pleasant, and it was a black guy. The judge did not favor him very much based on what we told him.
We don't penalize people simply on the thing they are being in court for. If it were that easy, and everybody got the same penalty regardless of circumstance, then we would only need a printer to spit out the same sentence no matter what each and every time.
We have judges for a reason. The judge has to weigh everything in a case, not just the charge itself. In my example above, a judge is not likely to throw the book at a guy who got caught up in a bad situation, making him a felon, and spending the best years of his life in prison for a simple mistake. Conversely, he's not going to give a guy a break who's been in and out of the slammer repeatedly, especially if it's the same kind of crime.
Since this subject rears it's ugly head from time to time, I'm going to throw you a bone here. One day I asked a friend of mine, who works in the justice system in downtown Cleveland if he thought blacks get harsher sentences than whites? He said he had no statistics available, but his opinion is that yes, depending on the judge, at times they do.
But guess what? The judges he was referring to were black judges. It makes sense. If a white judge had animosity to black people in general, the worst thing he could do for a black community is get that criminal back out on their streets. The best thing he could do is lock up that criminal for as long as possible.
A black judge is the opposite. He or she may live in those black communities, or perhaps family or friends. The best thing that black judge could do is throw the book at a black criminal. They want to rid their society of such people, not give them a slap on the hand for them to return and cause more trouble.
In the end, the reason for inequality doesn't really matter to those who are a victim of it, they just see that it happens and the injustice of it.
What is important to those that want to solve the problems is that the fact that there is a problem is acknowledged and that the reasons for it are discussed honestly. That means that black people don't immediately assume racism as the only reason for their problems (although denying it exists is equally dishonest). And those who oppose BLM don't deny the validity of their concerns and for sure not focus on the minority who use violence during the protests.
Your remark goes right back to the OP. WTF do they want?
This started over a black suspect dying partially over the actions of a white police officer. Nothing in their interactions indicated anything of race between the victim or any of the officers. The department seen the video. They arrested the police officer, and charged him with murder. He will have his day in court. He will likely go to prison. So what are the protests and riots about? What do these savages want us to do, kill the police officer on the spot before an investigation even starts?
I'd be willing to bet that if you could stop each and every person at these protests/ riots, half of them wouldn't even know Floyd's name. It's not about him, it's about the fact that Democrats have allowed this to happen two other times in their cities recently with little to no resistance, and now these people think they can pull this stunt anytime they want with impunity. Floyd was merely an excuse for them to act out. They don't care, and neither does BLM.
Poverty has nothing to do with it either. Our homeless people have cell phones for crying out loud. People from other countries that come here laugh at what we consider poverty. So-called poverty is nothing more than a cheap excuse for criminal behavior.
...but, when a black MURDERS whites BECAUSE of racial reasons, the MSM doens't even mention race!!!!..like this:
Murders of Alison Parker and Adam Ward - Wikipedia
Fueri
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In Chicago they're asking for smaller class sizes in schools an end to charter schools and stoppage of school closings in Chicago, which was happening because the city is flat broke like the rest of the state.
So, I guess this is an education initiative.
It's become a catch-all. Like a political party with platform initiatives, it's anything any everything at this point. They were given a taste of victory when the rioting was allowed by passive mayors and governors seemingly frozen in place, and then came the actual discussions of defunding the police, so they received positive reinforcement for that nonsense. Now the list of demands grows by the hour.
So, I guess this is an education initiative.
It's become a catch-all. Like a political party with platform initiatives, it's anything any everything at this point. They were given a taste of victory when the rioting was allowed by passive mayors and governors seemingly frozen in place, and then came the actual discussions of defunding the police, so they received positive reinforcement for that nonsense. Now the list of demands grows by the hour.
Ray From Cleveland
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..I've asked MANY times on USMB= how are these incidents RACIAL????!!..I get no answersActually neither I nor the study looks simply at the result. In fact, in its introduction, it recognizes that racism isn't the best explanation for it. It states economics as the main reason. I've been here on record on multiple OP's recognizing the folly of boiling the systemic problems (note I didn't say racism) of the justice system and society as a whole to simply racism.So your counter-argument against a report filed to the UN a report that you don't dispute the facts of is a hypothetical anecdote that would at best count as an excuse? Can you tell the difference between the strengths of our argument?And yet that's not what the report shows. Same crimes, harsher sentences.when you commit crimes you get arrested ... and when you keep committing crimes become a habitual scum bag repeat offender you get more time in jail.The Color of Justice: Racial and Ethnic Disparity in State Prisons – The Sentencing Project
Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons across the country at nearly five times the rate of whites.The constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Statistics don't show that, blacks are not just more likely to be arrested, they are also more likely to get sentenced harsher.Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project
Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance
Racial profiling is not just pervasive but also discriminatory in its nature.
The problem is your reports (and I've read several like them) compare apples to oranges.
A young white guy gets busted with some coke, and a black guy gets busted with the same amount.
The white guy when busted surrenders to police and cooperates fully. While being processed, he doesn't give them any hard time. He ends up in court, very well dressed, new hair cut, and pays attention to the proceedings. When allowed to speak, he apologizes to the court, tells them he simply made a very stupid mistake. The judge (who has his criminal record) only sees that one charge.
The black guy when busted run from the cops. In the process, he tries to get rid of the evidence. When the cops catch up to him, he starts fighting them. When the police find the bag he threw away, he states it isn't his, even though one of the officers seen him throw the bag. When he gets to the station, he refuses to cooperate. He ends up in court looking like he just left a bar. He's rolling his eyes during the proceeding, not looking at the judge or the prosecutor, shaking his head back and forth. The judge not only watches his disrespect for the court, but looks at is criminal record which is lengthy, especially for a guy his age.
Can you tell me why these two different judges would give both offenders the same sentence?
My point is that you (and these studies) only look at the bottom line. There is a lot of in-between that is ignored. I've been to court. I was in a judges chamber when he interviewed the police on the conduct of the person involved; he interviewed me. It was not pleasant, and it was a black guy. The judge did not favor him very much based on what we told him.
We don't penalize people simply on the thing they are being in court for. If it were that easy, and everybody got the same penalty regardless of circumstance, then we would only need a printer to spit out the same sentence no matter what each and every time.
We have judges for a reason. The judge has to weigh everything in a case, not just the charge itself. In my example above, a judge is not likely to throw the book at a guy who got caught up in a bad situation, making him a felon, and spending the best years of his life in prison for a simple mistake. Conversely, he's not going to give a guy a break who's been in and out of the slammer repeatedly, especially if it's the same kind of crime.
Since this subject rears it's ugly head from time to time, I'm going to throw you a bone here. One day I asked a friend of mine, who works in the justice system in downtown Cleveland if he thought blacks get harsher sentences than whites? He said he had no statistics available, but his opinion is that yes, depending on the judge, at times they do.
But guess what? The judges he was referring to were black judges. It makes sense. If a white judge had animosity to black people in general, the worst thing he could do for a black community is get that criminal back out on their streets. The best thing he could do is lock up that criminal for as long as possible.
A black judge is the opposite. He or she may live in those black communities, or perhaps family or friends. The best thing that black judge could do is throw the book at a black criminal. They want to rid their society of such people, not give them a slap on the hand for them to return and cause more trouble.
In the end, the reason for inequality doesn't really matter to those who are a victim of it, they just see that it happens and the injustice of it.
What is important to those that want to solve the problems is that the fact that there is a problem is acknowledged and that the reasons for it are discussed honestly. That means that black people don't immediately assume racism as the only reason for their problems (although denying it exists is equally dishonest). And those who oppose BLM don't deny the validity of their concerns and for sure not focus on the minority who use violence during the protests.
Your remark goes right back to the OP. WTF do they want?
This started over a black suspect dying partially over the actions of a white police officer. Nothing in their interactions indicated anything of race between the victim or any of the officers. The department seen the video. They arrested the police officer, and charged him with murder. He will have his day in court. He will likely go to prison. So what are the protests and riots about? What do these savages want us to do, kill the police officer on the spot before an investigation even starts?
I'd be willing to bet that if you could stop each and every person at these protests/ riots, half of them wouldn't even know Floyd's name. It's not about him, it's about the fact that Democrats have allowed this to happen two other times in their cities recently with little to no resistance, and now these people think they can pull this stunt anytime they want with impunity. Floyd was merely an excuse for them to act out. They don't care, and neither does BLM.
Poverty has nothing to do with it either. Our homeless people have cell phones for crying out loud. People from other countries that come here laugh at what we consider poverty. So-called poverty is nothing more than a cheap excuse for criminal behavior.
...but, when a black MURDERS whites BECAUSE of racial reasons, the MSM doens't even mention race!!!!..like this:
Murders of Alison Parker and Adam Ward - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Exactly. Where was the outrage over the knockout game? After Ferguson, it was as popular as drinking beer. It was barely reported on by the MSM, and some have even denied it's existence, or that it had racial motives. Some white people were seriously hurt in those racial attacks, and if I remember correctly, one died.
Now what would happen if this knockout game were developed by whites, and we were doing this to black people at random? Does anybody think the media would barely look at the problem twice?
Ray From Cleveland
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And so are minorities. If a cop arrests me and I fight them, I'm going to get he same treatment as any person of color. A judge will see my conduct and give me more time than he or she otherwise would have. There is no unequal treatment. Why do you and your comrades believe there is? Because you believe whatever the media wants you to believe.
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista
The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with 1,097 civilians, 225 of whom were Black, killed by police in 2022.
www.statista.com
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I see you have no answer either.... thanks for playing
Crepitus
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Not true.
And so are minorities. If a cop arrests me and I fight them, I'm going to get he same treatment as any person of color. A judge will see my conduct and give me more time than he or she otherwise would have. There is no unequal treatment. Why do you and your comrades believe there is? Because you believe whatever the media wants you to believe.
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista
The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with 1,097 civilians, 225 of whom were Black, killed by police in 2022.
Sorry for your luck.
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