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Taxation is theft.
And the government has no business in the individual's healthcare; that how you get shit like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment.
Remember that tax is theft next time you drive down a highway, visit a national park, or eat that food that is consumable because govts have legislation in place to make sure it is healthy, or when somebody in your family is robbed or murdered and the police find the culprit and lock them up.

I don't want the govt in healthcare. I want doctors and nurses in hospitals to be in healthcare.

That syphilis experiment was not health care. It was an experiment.
 
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No gun control law ever, anywhere in the world, at any time in history, was ever implemented for any reason other than to give the few in power, more power.
BS. The gun by back in Australia and NZ's guns laws have the overwhelming support of the public. It had nothing to do with power. In fact, in the case of Australia and its by back it was under heavy public pressure that the govt brought it to bear. If they hadn't they govt would have been kicked out of power in the next election. Are you saying the govt shouldn't listen to the people?
 
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Well where all not all Australian millionaires like you. The USA knows how much your prices are jacked up, through your fabulous social health care

Their was a time I used to see candidan plates all the time in the USA and something happened I never used them anymore, driving on our roads.

Could it possibly be the high cost of taxes/ health care up there?
I'm not millionaire...yet...;o)

It's a right-wing myth. I looked into it about six months ago, and in fact it is more the other way, especially when it comes to scripts. A lot of US citizens on the border pop over to Canada to fill their scripts because they're cheaper. If you live on the border area of course you're going to see a lot of Canadian number plates in your area. I'm sure the Canadians on the other side of the border are seeing a lot of US number plates but I doubt they're all visiting doctors. Most are probably just visiting the respective country they are in.
 
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We don't have to imagine....just look at cities completely under the control of the democrat party.....New York, L.A., San Francisco, Chicago......they are crap holes.........they would take their crap policies......in those cities literal "crap" policies as they let homeless people crap all over the place, and destroy any place they control...and if you doubt that....look at the socialist countries now.....Venezuela, Cuba, the former Soviet Union, China.........we have real world examples now, and you can't see them.
No they're not. They have issues, but all big cities in the world do, including places like Miami, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Nashville (insert red state metropolis here). Stop making out inner city issues only happen in big cities in blue states. What a crock. The only city where things look pretty bad is Chicago and even then that is only it a couple of suburbs. And that is a single city. I know lots of NYers and people from San Fran. They love their cities. Don't know anybody from LA, so won't comment. You ask any non-US citizen what part of the US they would love to visit the most, the vast majority say NY. There's nothing wrong with the place. People still flock there. It's not like Detroit where people left in droves.
 

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No gun control law ever, anywhere in the world, at any time in history, was ever implemented for any reason other than to give the few in power, more power.
BS. The gun by back in Australia and NZ's guns laws have the overwhelming support of the public. It had nothing to do with power. In fact, in the case of Australia and its by back it was under heavy public pressure that the govt brought it to bear. If they hadn't they govt would have been kicked out of power in the next election. Are you saying the govt shouldn't listen to the people?
Oh bullshit..... you actually believe that propaganda?

No man anywhere wants to be less capable and more helpless. That's thinking like a bitch.
 

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Taxation is theft.
And the government has no business in the individual's healthcare; that how you get shit like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment.
Remember that tax is theft next time you drive down a highway, visit a national park, or eat that food that is consumable because govts have legislation in place to make sure it is healthy, or when somebody in your family is robbed or murdered and the police find the culprit and lock them up.

I don't want the govt in healthcare. I want doctors and nurses in hospitals to be in healthcare.

That syphilis experiment was not health care. It was an experiment.
Cool motive, still theft.
 

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My Utopia is not Utopian at all...my Utopia is an imperfect troubled existence with big loses and big wins....tragedy and struggle and rewards and victories...mistakes and achievement...success and failure....sadness and exuberance....love and hate.....heartbreak and intellectual growth....strength and weakness....wonder and knowledge.....ending in repentance and forgiveness.....
 

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It would look a lot like this:

View attachment 320158

Its a metaphor for the entire nation. The conservatives pride themselves on self sufficiency, being self-made people, etc... In truth few if anyone is truly self-sufficient and few if anyone is self-made. Did you get a good education? That is because some liberal decided that compulsory education nationwide was a good thing. Kudos to you for taking full advantage of it but you got a leg-up before you were even born!!!

That is your socialist country....in a captialist country they have machines created by capistalists that get the apples faster, safer and cheaper........

Those people above are your utopian slaves....brought into your country because they are cheap labor, can't speak your language or defend themselves against your predatory behavior.......used for your purposes, kept down to serve your needs......


There is a story about Milton Friedman when he was in India......he saw a construction site with hundreds of workers digging a ditch...he asked his guide why they didn't just invest in a back hoe or other heavey construction equipment....the guide said, well...that would put those men out of work....so Friedman said...well, if that is just a jobs program, why don't you give them spoons instead of shovels.....

Socialism creates misery, poverty, and when it reaches the point of ultimate destruction....the mass graves filled with the people who want freedom.

Capitalism........

Americans working together is socialist to you?

No....slavery under socialism is the problem.........mass graves under socialism is the problem.....you get both with socialism.
Americans working together isn’t socialism.

That isn't what anyone is saying....forcing Americans to do what the government wants is socialism........which in the end is simply slavery under another name. Socialism is the government controlling the means of production...at gun point. That is slavery, again, no matter how lightly the chains and whip are applied.
Americans working together isn’t socialist.

It is if it is at the end of a government gun....
No guns in the pic I posted that has both shown the differences in ideology and has driven you crazy so..no socialism. Just cooperation for the greater good
 

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It would look a lot like this:

View attachment 320158

Its a metaphor for the entire nation. The conservatives pride themselves on self sufficiency, being self-made people, etc... In truth few if anyone is truly self-sufficient and few if anyone is self-made. Did you get a good education? That is because some liberal decided that compulsory education nationwide was a good thing. Kudos to you for taking full advantage of it but you got a leg-up before you were even born!!!

That is your socialist country....in a captialist country they have machines created by capistalists that get the apples faster, safer and cheaper........

Those people above are your utopian slaves....brought into your country because they are cheap labor, can't speak your language or defend themselves against your predatory behavior.......used for your purposes, kept down to serve your needs......


There is a story about Milton Friedman when he was in India......he saw a construction site with hundreds of workers digging a ditch...he asked his guide why they didn't just invest in a back hoe or other heavey construction equipment....the guide said, well...that would put those men out of work....so Friedman said...well, if that is just a jobs program, why don't you give them spoons instead of shovels.....

Socialism creates misery, poverty, and when it reaches the point of ultimate destruction....the mass graves filled with the people who want freedom.

Capitalism........

Americans working together is socialist to you?

No....slavery under socialism is the problem.........mass graves under socialism is the problem.....you get both with socialism.
Americans working together isn’t socialism.

That isn't what anyone is saying....forcing Americans to do what the government wants is socialism........which in the end is simply slavery under another name. Socialism is the government controlling the means of production...at gun point. That is slavery, again, no matter how lightly the chains and whip are applied.
Americans working together isn’t socialist.

It is if it is at the end of a government gun....
No guns in the pic I posted that has both shown the differences in ideology and has driven you crazy so..no socialism. Just cooperation for the greater good

Cooperation for the greater good is what happens under capitalism........under socialism you work, they take, and then they put you in a mass grave in the end.
 

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It would look a lot like this:

View attachment 320158

Its a metaphor for the entire nation. The conservatives pride themselves on self sufficiency, being self-made people, etc... In truth few if anyone is truly self-sufficient and few if anyone is self-made. Did you get a good education? That is because some liberal decided that compulsory education nationwide was a good thing. Kudos to you for taking full advantage of it but you got a leg-up before you were even born!!!

That is your socialist country....in a captialist country they have machines created by capistalists that get the apples faster, safer and cheaper........

Those people above are your utopian slaves....brought into your country because they are cheap labor, can't speak your language or defend themselves against your predatory behavior.......used for your purposes, kept down to serve your needs......


There is a story about Milton Friedman when he was in India......he saw a construction site with hundreds of workers digging a ditch...he asked his guide why they didn't just invest in a back hoe or other heavey construction equipment....the guide said, well...that would put those men out of work....so Friedman said...well, if that is just a jobs program, why don't you give them spoons instead of shovels.....

Socialism creates misery, poverty, and when it reaches the point of ultimate destruction....the mass graves filled with the people who want freedom.

Capitalism........

Americans working together is socialist to you?

No....slavery under socialism is the problem.........mass graves under socialism is the problem.....you get both with socialism.
Americans working together isn’t socialism.

That isn't what anyone is saying....forcing Americans to do what the government wants is socialism........which in the end is simply slavery under another name. Socialism is the government controlling the means of production...at gun point. That is slavery, again, no matter how lightly the chains and whip are applied.
Americans working together isn’t socialist.

It is if it is at the end of a government gun....
No guns in the pic I posted that has both shown the differences in ideology and has driven you crazy so..no socialism. Just cooperation for the greater good

Cooperation for the greater good is what happens under capitalism........under socialism you work, they take, and then they put you in a mass grave in the end.
It’s only in your fantasy that Americans working together is socialism.
 
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Oh bullshit..... you actually believe that propaganda?

No man anywhere wants to be less capable and more helpless. That's thinking like a bitch.
I live here. It's not propaganda. Who's helpless? I'm sure as shit not. And you're thinking like a tinfoil hat wearer "oh, they're out to get me!!" That's thinking like somebody stuck in a time warp...
 

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Oh bullshit..... you actually believe that propaganda?

No man anywhere wants to be less capable and more helpless. That's thinking like a bitch.
I live here. It's not propaganda. Who's helpless? I'm sure as shit not. And you're thinking like a tinfoil hat wearer "oh, they're out to get me!!" That's thinking like somebody stuck in a time warp...
No, that's thinking like someone who has read some history and met some authoritarians.
 

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Your Utopia? And I mean realistically. There is no doubt that the vast majority of people on this forum are divided into two camps. Then there is the odd neutral like myself. If you could chuck all the liberals on one side of the country and the conservatives on the other, what would your society look like.

A conservative society would probably have no abortion, high gun ownership, the death penalty.
A democrat society would probably have no death penalty, affirmative action etc.

Both would probably be founded on the US BOR and Constitution.
I think the conservative society would have a lower crime rate, but the liberal society would be more just.
Are you asking what my version of utopia is or are you asking what I think a completely divided country would look like?
Fair question. I'm guess I'm asking if you divided the US into two separate states - one being conservative the other liberal - and all things being equal it is divided with the same amount of land, wealth etc - and there was no civil war - it was done all nicely etc, what would your country look like compared to the other.

I think it might happen eventually. Too much water under the bridge over the past two decades. Might even be a civil war over it. But i'm curious what the reality of each state would actually look like once the dust has settled.
My state would have a 100% impenetrable border with our
neighbor so that once those morons squandered their half of everything they would have no shot at coming after ours. Well, they could try...
 

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Your Utopia? And I mean realistically. There is no doubt that the vast majority of people on this forum are divided into two camps. Then there is the odd neutral like myself. If you could chuck all the liberals on one side of the country and the conservatives on the other, what would your society look like.

A conservative society would probably have no abortion, high gun ownership, the death penalty.
A democrat society would probably have no death penalty, affirmative action etc.

Both would probably be founded on the US BOR and Constitution.
I think the conservative society would have a lower crime rate, but the liberal society would be more just.
You're NOT neutral.
Pretend all you want.

Even your OP confirms you're not neutral.
I'll bet you don't even know what gave your 'faux neutral' away!
 

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It would look a lot like this:

View attachment 320158

Its a metaphor for the entire nation. The conservatives pride themselves on self sufficiency, being self-made people, etc... In truth few if anyone is truly self-sufficient and few if anyone is self-made. Did you get a good education? That is because some liberal decided that compulsory education nationwide was a good thing. Kudos to you for taking full advantage of it but you got a leg-up before you were even born!!!




Isn't it funny how your utopia requires people to suffer.

You really are a despicable piece of shit.
Doesn't require people to suffer.
People like you choose to suffer. This is why every one of your post is a complaint, a whine, or you calling someone names.
or you calling someone names
thats what you have been doing.....how are you any different?...
 

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they are forced to work for the government using my money,,,that makes them and me a slave to your demands,,,

thats why we like our guns to kill mother fuckers like you that think you can force us to your will,,,

you should at least have the courage to come and take my money yourself instead of sending jackboots to do it,,,
See, this is why you have warped logic and you are a slave to insurance companies.

This is how it works in my world:
My ex wife had to have an operation on her toe about five years ago. She could go private and it would cost her $10,000 and it would be done within a month, or go on the public waiting list for elective surgery, which she dicided to do and it took them 10 months to get around to her. Does she or I feel guilty about it? Fuck no. Why? Because in the preceding 25 years she has paid the best part of $500,000 tax. As far as I'm concerned all she is doing is getting her tax money back.

Also, I know that some of my tax money goes towards public health. Does it bother me that my money is going there even though I have only had one hospital visit in the past 50 years? No. Because I know there will come a time when it will be my turn and I'll need it. Maybe I'll suddenly drop dead and never need it. However, the chances of a member of my extended or immediate family needing it are quite high.

I am the health insurance company's worst nightmare.

What I wish the government would concentrate on is making those who make shit choices in life that lead to bad health outcomes (smoking, getting obese) pay for their shit. Although, as somebody pointed out, people who smoke or are morbidly obese tend to kick the bucket a lot younger than others.

the only person I'm a slave to is those that use government to steal from me for their own personal gain like you want to,,,
 

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