Zone1 What does this mean to you?

[hobelim]

My question would be, why waste time arguing about something you don't believe in? I

I am not arguing. I am showing where wrong and right and judgment lie. If I have said something amiss then prove me in the wrong. If you can't or don't have the balls to even try, then fuck off.

you have suppressed the truth to live in sin,

I have revealed the truth to do away with sin. You are the one who denies the truth to live in sin.
You worship a trinity, perjure yourself in the name of God and desecrate the teachings of Jesus.

If only half of what was written in the bible is true, then you are quite fucked. Amen! Hallelujah!

I do not celebrate Jesus death, I celebrate my Savior who gave his life for mine.

Whats the difference? Numbskull.

 

[hobelim]

He is still alive, resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father. Any other questions I can help you with,

Sure. One question. Didn't Jesus say, "Whoever obeys my commands loves me. Whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love them and reveal myself to them."? My question is,

If Jesus is alive, and he is, then when in your entire life has he ever revealed himself to you? Any dreams, any visions, revelations from Jesus himself, alive as he is? No? How do you explain that?
Is he sleeping? On vacation? Retired? Too hard of hearing to notice you singing in church? Maybe you should sing louder? Persecute the innocent? Light a candle? Ring a bell? Toss spare change at your pastor? Vote for a demon? Sacrifice your children to Molech? I bet he would notice that!

After the resurrection Jesus appeared to the faithful. Why hasn't he appeared to you if you love him so very much that you celebrate that he died for your sins in your unrestrained imagination?

That is so sweet!

Jesus was without sin. You are a sinner. Jesus died for your sins? Yippee? Woo hoo? Praise God?

You are depraved.

I bet Jesus is very impressed by the many wonderful things that your "faith" has done for you.

I am.

 

[Frankenstein]

Sure. One question. Didn't Jesus say, "Whoever obeys my commands loves me. Whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love them and reveal myself to them."? My question is,

If Jesus is alive, and he is, then when in your entire life has he ever revealed himself to you? Any dreams, any visions, revelations from Jesus himself, alive as he is? No? How do you explain that?
Is he sleeping? On vacation? Retired? Too hard of hearing to notice you singing in church? Maybe you should sing louder? Persecute the innocent? Light a candle? Ring a bell? Toss spare change at your pastor? Vote for a demon? Sacrifice your children to Molech? I bet he would notice that!

After the resurrection Jesus appeared to the faithful. Why hasn't he appeared to you if you love him so very much that you celebrate that he died for your sins in your unrestrained imagination?

That is so sweet!

Jesus was without sin. You are a sinner. Jesus died for your sins? Yippee? Woo hoo? Praise God?

You are depraved.

I bet Jesus is very impressed by the many wonderful things that your "faith" has done for you.

I am.

Jesus was God the Son, came to Earth, performed signs, and miracles, he is revealed through scripture. He is alive he ascended and sits at the right hand of the Father. He is with me enough to know a demon child when speaking to one like yourself. Again you do what you do to feel superior, while being inferior, know this, every knee will bow, and tongue confess Jesus is Lord that means you also.

 

[Frankenstein]

I am not arguing. I am showing where wrong and right and judgment lie. If I have said something amiss then prove me in the wrong. If you can't or don't have the balls to even try, then fuck off.


I have revealed the truth to do away with sin. You are the one who denies the truth to live in sin.
You worship a trinity, perjure yourself in the name of God and desecrate the teachings of Jesus.

If only half of what was written in the bible is true, then you are quite fucked. Amen! Hallelujah!



Whats the difference? Numbskull.

The difference is he is alive!

 

[hobelim]

every knee will bow, and tongue confess Jesus is Lord that means you also.

Nonsense. I would rather be drawn and quartered. Jesus, a man, even the messiah, is not God.

 

[hobelim]

The difference is he is alive!

Then when did Jesus ever appear to you after wasting your life on earth praying to the Antichrist?

A false, substitute, counterfeit, austere Jesus, lol, with all the attending signs and mind blowing miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world to conquer the nations under the sign of the Mithran cross in 325 ce.

 

[Frankenstein]

Nonsense. I would rather be drawn and quartered. Jesus, a man, even the messiah, is not God.

It will be worse than drawn and quartered

 

[Frankenstein]

Then when did Jesus ever appear to you after wasting your life on earth praying to the Antichrist?

A false, substitute, counterfeit, austere Jesus, lol, with all the attending signs and mind blowing miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world to conquer the nations under the sign of the Mithran cross in 325 ce.

Again, you offer no alternative but secularism, yours is an old shtick, it's you making yourself god! Good for you!

 

[ding]

Then when did Jesus ever appear to you after wasting your life on earth praying to the Antichrist?

A false, substitute, counterfeit, austere Jesus, lol, with all the attending signs and mind blowing miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world to conquer the nations under the sign of the Mithran cross in 325 ce.

It's been documented that the early Christians worshipped Jesus as God. They didn't do that because Jesus performed metaphors. They did it because Jesus performed miracles.

 

[ding]

Again, you offer no alternative but secularism, yours is an old shtick, it's you making yourself god! Good for you!

You nailed that. He's trying really hard to not make it a conspiracy theory but he is toeing that line nonetheless. As near as I can tell he's saying Jesus said everything he said but his true message was something else. You are 100% correct that he is trying to secularize Jesus.

 

[hobelim]

It's been documented that the early Christians worshipped Jesus as God. They didn't do that because Jesus performed metaphors. They did it because Jesus performed miracles.

No, they did it because they did not understand a word of what he said and failed "the test".

"But they did not understand this statement. It was veiled from them so that they could not comprehend it, and they were afraid to ask Him about it." Luke 9:45

"But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend what He was saying." Luke 18:34

“Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?” (Mark 4:10-13).

"But they did not understand what he meant and were afraid to ask him about it." Mark 9:32

"How is it that you have failed to comprehend that I was not speaking about bread?" Mat 16:11

“they kept asking, "Why is He saying, ‘a little while’? We do not understand what He is saying.” John 16:17

Jesus said he would be "lifted up" like the serpent was lifted up by Moses during the time of testing in the wilderness". This statue became the object of idolatry for hundreds of years until Hezekiah, the subject of "a young maiden with child" who "kept Gods commandments" and did what is right in Gods eyes came and destroyed the serpent statue that God told Moses to make...

Here is the thing. If it was right to destroy the statue God told Moses to make then it was never right to turn to it for healing. The same applies to Jesus. It was never right to worship Jesus as God. Death is the only possible outcome if God is God. Why do you think Jesus kept warning his sleeping disciples to stay awake and pray to be spared 'the test" unless they were being tested?

Jesus was and is not God. There never was and never will be a human being who was God or became God before during or after their human existence. This is the truth. You failed the test.

The "miracles" of Jesus were not supernatural demonstrations of Divine power over reality dufus. Raising the dead, cleansing lepers, curing the paralyzed, giving sight to the blind, etc., were as miraculous as if you, an asshole, suddenly realized that you have confused faith with obstinate stupidity, got out of your deathbed, crawled out of your grave, stood upright and walked like a man who reflects the image and likeness of a Holy (separate) God. Now that would be a miracle!

Thats the way the religious cookie crumbles. What then "believer"? Continue to be an asshole?

 

[hobelim]

Again, you offer no alternative but secularism, yours is an old shtick

Wrong.

I am showing you the only way to understand the words written about Jesus, things you already profess to believe, in the only way that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality. A clear, concise, mind expanding, dead reviving, revelation that has never been seen or heard before.

 

[hobelim]

It will be worse than drawn and quartered

Being drawn and quartered is better than wasting my life defying the law of God, desecrating the teachings of Jesus, and misleading others, just to become insane enough to join a phony herd of people who are doing exactly what God promises results in death to be saved. Yay! derp.

There is no escaping God in this world or the next. Mix that into your Jesus juice, stir, and drink it to the dregs.

 

[ding]

No, they did it because they did not understand a word of what he said and failed "the test".

"But they did not understand this statement. It was veiled from them so that they could not comprehend it, and they were afraid to ask Him about it." Luke 9:45

"But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend what He was saying." Luke 18:34

“Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?” (Mark 4:10-13).

"But they did not understand what he meant and were afraid to ask him about it." Mark 9:32

"How is it that you have failed to comprehend that I was not speaking about bread?" Mat 16:11

“they kept asking, "Why is He saying, ‘a little while’? We do not understand what He is saying.” John 16:17

Jesus said he would be "lifted up" like the serpent was lifted up by Moses during the time of testing in the wilderness". This statue became the object of idolatry for hundreds of years until Hezekiah, the subject of "a young maiden with child" who "kept Gods commandments" and did what is right in Gods eyes came and destroyed the serpent statue that God told Moses to make...

Here is the thing. If it was right to destroy the statue God told Moses to make then it was never right to turn to it for healing. The same applies to Jesus. It was never right to worship Jesus as God. Death is the only possible outcome if God is God. Why do you think Jesus kept warning his sleeping disciples to stay awake and pray to be spared 'the test" unless they were being tested?h

Jesus was and is not God. There never was and never will be a human being who was God or became God before during or after their human existence. This is the truth. You failed the test.

The "miracles" of Jesus were not supernatural demonstrations of Divine power over reality dufus. Raising the dead, cleansing lepers, curing the paralyzed, giving sight to the blind, etc., were as miraculous as if you, an asshole, suddenly realized that you have confused faith with obstinate stupidity, got out of your deathbed, crawled out of your grave, stood upright and walked like a man who reflects the image and likeness of a Holy (separate) God. Now that would be a miracle!

Thats the way the religious cookie crumbles. What then "believer"? Continue to be an asshole?

Stop with the ridiculous interpretations already. Maybe start with something simple like Leviticus 18:22. And when you can admit that was a command for men to not butt fuck other men, then move on to more complex passages. Ok?

 

[hobelim]

Stop with the ridiculous interpretations already

Ridiculous interpretations? Whats to interpret?

Its clearly written that the disciples didn't understand what Jesus meant by the things he said.

The point being made is that their believing that Jesus was God really doesn't carry any weight.

Maybe start with something simple like Leviticus 18:22. And when you can admit that was a command for men to not butt fuck other men, then move on to more complex passages. Ok?

When you master the 1st command then you and I can discuss the 2nd, and so on and so forth.

If you are so interested in men butt fucking I'm sure there is a porn site to satisfy your predilection

 

[ding]

Ridiculous interpretations? Whats to interpret?

Its clearly written that the disciples didn't understand what Jesus meant by the things he said.

When you master the 1st command then you and I can discuss the 2nd, and so on and so forth.

If you are so interested in men butt fucking I'm sure there is a porn site to satisfy your predilection

You can't even get the command against men butt fucking other men right.

But way to make Jews look bad with your dismissal of Christian beliefs, bro.

 

[hobelim]

But way to make Jews look bad with your dismissal of Christian beliefs, bro.

Looking bad to you really is a compliment. And was it some sort of top secret classified information to you that the Jewish people openly dismiss Christian beliefs? lol. Now you know.

 

[Frankenstein]

Being drawn and quartered is better than wasting my life defying the law of God, desecrating the teachings of Jesus, and misleading others, just to become insane enough to join a phony herd of people who are doing exactly what God promises results in death to be saved. Yay! derp.

There is no escaping God in this world or the next. Mix that into your Jesus juice, stir, and drink it to the dregs.

You haven't offered anything but to try and act like an arse, you do that well

 

[Frankenstein]

Looking bad to you really is a compliment. And was it some sort of top secret classified information to you that the Jewish people openly dismiss Christian beliefs? lol. Now you know.

They dismiss Jesus as messiah also, they are wrong!

 

[hobelim]

They dismiss Jesus as messiah also, they are wrong!

No. The Jewish people are and have always been right to reject out of hand your false substitute, counterfeit Jesus, with all the attending signs and miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally, the Antichrist, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell, that you believe in and worship.

And so have lost your very soul.

How is it that you do not know the right course to take?