What do you understand about FDR? Did FDR want a war with Japan? For answers, check here

[GLASNOST]

Thanks. I recall though how the Japanese went against our Carriers and were successful sinking them.

Did the Japanese sink any U.S. aircraft carriers?


Aircraft Carriers

USS Wasp: American aircraft carrier sunk on 15 September 1942 by Japanese submarine I-19 while escorting transports to Guadalcanal. USS Yorktown: American aircraft carrier sunk on 7 June 1942 by Japanese submarine I-168, following damage from carrier-based aircraft during the Battle of Midway.

I don't know much about the Pacific battles but this guy Montemayor made several very good videos about it:

Montemayor

As a military history buff I decided to do something productive with the extensive knowledge I have on battles. I will focus on not-so-well known battles as well as famous ones, from the gunpowder age to today (modern warfare). I do have a life apart from this, so I consider this a hobby...

www.youtube.com

 

[mikegriffith1]

Have you wondered about Japan? Why would Japan dare attack Pearl Harbor? Think about that question.
Did they fear FDR? They did not fear FDR. Did they plan to invade the USA at California? We don't really know by what they did. We need more data from the Japanese to see what they intended. But for those who think FDR was caught by surprise, hear this. He was not caught by surprise. He planned to be attacked.

To start you to think over this, were you Japan and saw a threat in the Pacific Ocean, what would you do? Bear in mind the Japanese had a super huge military. Would you use it?

Did President Roosevelt and other high-ranking U.S. government officials know about Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor, and fail to warn U.S. Navy leadership? Drawing on recently declassified materials and revelations from other writers, this book traces the flow of intelligence and concludes the imminent attack was allowed to happen to win the support of the American public in a war against Japan. An epilogue describes the fate of Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, the intelligence he received from Washington before the attack, and the intelligence he did not.

Pearl Harbor Declassified: The Evidence of American Foreknowledge of the Attack Paperback – July 30, 2021​

by James M. D’Angelo (Author)

Yes, there is ample evidence that FDR wanted war with Japan. FDR's Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, admitted in his diary that FDR was trying to "maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves." This disclosure came to light during the Joint Congressional Committee's investigation.

Knox made it clear that he and FDR and others in the inner circle did not believe that the Japanese would do much damage to Pearl Harbor. The reason Knox decided to disclose his and FDR's foreknowledge of the attack was that he was so stunned by the severe damage that the Japanese attack did to Pearl Harbor.

Recall, too, that the McCollum Memo laid out a plan to provoke Japan to war, and the memo noted that if the measures in the memo caused the Japanese to "overtly attack us, all the better."

 

[Robert W]

Yes, there is ample evidence that FDR wanted war with Japan. FDR's Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, admitted in his diary that FDR was trying to "maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves." This disclosure came to light during the Joint Congressional Committee's investigation.

Knox made it clear that he and FDR and others in the inner circle did not believe that the Japanese would do much damage to Pearl Harbor. The reason Knox decided to disclose his and FDR's foreknowledge of the attack was that he was so stunned by the severe damage that the Japanese attack did to Pearl Harbor.

Recall, too, that the McCollum Memo laid out a plan to provoke Japan to war, and the memo noted that if the measures in the memo caused the Japanese to "overtly attack us, all the better."

Posters who do not believe this think Trump came from Mars to invade the USA.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes, there is ample evidence that FDR wanted war with Japan. FDR's Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, admitted in his diary that FDR was trying to "maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves." This disclosure came to light during the Joint Congressional Committee's investigation.

Knox made it clear that he and FDR and others in the inner circle did not believe that the Japanese would do much damage to Pearl Harbor. The reason Knox decided to disclose his and FDR's foreknowledge of the attack was that he was so stunned by the severe damage that the Japanese attack did to Pearl Harbor.

Recall, too, that the McCollum Memo laid out a plan to provoke Japan to war, and the memo noted that if the measures in the memo caused the Japanese to "overtly attack us, all the better."

Conspiracy theories never held up against truth. Japan attacked the US, Britain and the DEI because they were early out of oil thanks to the embargo. The Japanese had a simple choice, stop their war of conquest in China and lose face, or seize the resources they needed in the short window that existed before the horded supplies of oil ran out and the Two Ocean Navy Bill started producing ships in a flood that Japan could never match. Add in the delusional beliefs that Japanese fighting spirit could overcome technical inferiority and that the weak and corrupt westerners would fold after a few defeats like the Russians did, and you have the real reasons for their actions.

 

[Robert W]

Conspiracy theories never held up against truth. Japan attacked the US, Britain and the DEI because they were early out of oil thanks to the embargo. The Japanese had a simple choice, stop their war of conquest in China and lose face, or seize the resources they needed in the short window that existed before the horded supplies of oil ran out and the Two Ocean Navy Bill started producing ships in a flood that Japan could never match. Add in the delusional beliefs that Japanese fighting spirit could overcome technical inferiority and that the weak and corrupt westerners would fold after a few defeats like the Russians did, and you have the real reasons for their actions.

FDR slapped punishments onto Japan. It was his plan from earlier on to be in the middle of that war.

 

[Robert W]

Conspiracy theories never held up against truth. Japan attacked the US, Britain and the DEI because they were early out of oil thanks to the embargo. The Japanese had a simple choice, stop their war of conquest in China and lose face, or seize the resources they needed in the short window that existed before the horded supplies of oil ran out and the Two Ocean Navy Bill started producing ships in a flood that Japan could never match. Add in the delusional beliefs that Japanese fighting spirit could overcome technical inferiority and that the weak and corrupt westerners would fold after a few defeats like the Russians did, and you have the real reasons for their actions.

The pair of words used "Conspiracy theory" is vastly over used to excuse nations like Japan from blame. Worse it is used to excuse FDR himself.

 

[AZrailwhale]

FDR slapped punishments onto Japan. It was his plan from earlier on to be in the middle of that war.

No, the punishment was to force Japan out of China.

 

[Mushroom]

Yes, there is ample evidence that FDR wanted war with Japan. FDR's Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, admitted in his diary that FDR was trying to "maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves." This disclosure came to light during the Joint Congressional Committee's investigation.

That quite by the way is from several books by the same author, George Morgenstern. Who has written multiple books with a revisionist viewpoint that nobody takes seriously. The very fact that those quotes appear in only his works and nowhere else tends to confirm this is once again conspiracy theory nonsense. Kind of like the famous "sleeping giant" quote, which was also entirely made up.

 

[Mushroom]

Japan attacked the US, Britain and the DEI because they were early out of oil thanks to the embargo.

And what is the excuse for their attacks and declarations of war against the UK?

And the embargos started in 1940 because of the attacks by Japan upon China, which was out ally. And escalated each time they attacked another nation in the region.

By this definition, the US placing embargos against Russia because of their attacks on Ukraine is the same thing, and encouraging Russia to attack us.

But Japan was not out of oil however, they had 2 years of supply in storage (over 51 million barrels) and a little domestic production themselves (2 million barrels per year). But once the war started, their consumption jumped from just short of 25 million barrels per year skyrocketed to over 40 million barrels per year. But if they had not already decided to go to war, that 2 year supply could likely have been stretched to 3 years or more if they had actually been serious about finding a diplomatic approach.

One of the things most historians recognize is that Japan both seriously underestimated how much their use of oil would skyrocket, in addition to overestimating how much oil they would be able to extract from the territory they captured. Some have speculated that they had taken their wartime estimates off of their older classes of ships which used a combination of oil and coal for power, where as their newest vessels all used only oil.

 

[AZrailwhale]

And what is the excuse for their attacks and declarations of war against the UK?

And the embargos started in 1940 because of the attacks by Japan upon China, which was out ally. And escalated each time they attacked another nation in the region.

By this definition, the US placing embargos against Russia because of their attacks on Ukraine is the same thing, and encouraging Russia to attack us.

But Japan was not out of oil however, they had 2 years of supply in storage (over 51 million barrels) and a little domestic production themselves (2 million barrels per year). But once the war started, their consumption jumped from just short of 25 million barrels per year skyrocketed to over 40 million barrels per year. But if they had not already decided to go to war, that 2 year supply could likely have been stretched to 3 years or more if they had actually been serious about finding a diplomatic approach.

One of the things most historians recognize is that Japan both seriously underestimated how much their use of oil would skyrocket, in addition to overestimating how much oil they would be able to extract from the territory they captured. Some have speculated that they had taken their wartime estimates off of their older classes of ships which used a combination of oil and coal for power, where as their newest vessels all used only oil.

Rubber and I believe Tin from Malaysia. The only natural resources Japan possessed in 1940 were fish and coal. They needed to conquer all the surrounding countries for their resources.

 

[Mushroom]

Rubber and I believe Tin from Malaysia. The only natural resources Japan possessed in 1940 were fish and coal. They needed to conquer all the surrounding countries for their resources.

They actually had a lot of natural resources. Especially sulfur (which is why Iwo Jima was so important to them - the name specifically means "Sulfur Island"). They did have domestic sources of oil, iron, copper, gold, silver, and other resources. But none of them were enough to support their greatly increased industrialization since the turn of the century.

It must be remembered, their weapons have been famous for over a thousand years. Specifically their method of making swords, which were all made from local iron. And while the local sources were more than enough for medieval era weapons and armor, they were nowhere near large enough to support a modern 20th century military.

Before the Meiji Era, they had more than enough to support their demand with little need for imports. But after they heavily industrialized during the Meiji Restoration, their own domestic supplies were no longer sufficient to meet the demand. So they grew dependent upon imports, and by 1920 they were already making plans to simply cut out the middleman and take control of local supplies themselves.

 

[GLASNOST]

Rubber and I believe Tin from Malaysia. The only natural resources Japan possessed in 1940 were fish and coal. They needed to conquer all the surrounding countries for their resources.

Conquer?

 

[Robert W]

That quite by the way is from several books by the same author, George Morgenstern. Who has written multiple books with a revisionist viewpoint that nobody takes seriously. The very fact that those quotes appear in only his works and nowhere else tends to confirm this is once again conspiracy theory nonsense. Kind of like the famous "sleeping giant" quote, which was also entirely made up.

Why did FDR do two major things since you want to be his defender. Move into Pearl Harbor enough ships to make it attractive for Japan to attack that port, and do things against Japan that would spur them to attack our military? The term conspiracy is a way to duck out. Presidents can't do things like that all by themselves. It is teamwork.

 

[Robert W]

They actually had a lot of natural resources. Especially sulfur (which is why Iwo Jima was so important to them - the name specifically means "Sulfur Island"). They did have domestic sources of oil, iron, copper, gold, silver, and other resources. But none of them were enough to support their greatly increased industrialization since the turn of the century.

It must be remembered, their weapons have been famous for over a thousand years. Specifically their method of making swords, which were all made from local iron. And while the local sources were more than enough for medieval era weapons and armor, they were nowhere near large enough to support a modern 20th century military.

Before the Meiji Era, they had more than enough to support their demand with little need for imports. But after they heavily industrialized during the Meiji Restoration, their own domestic supplies were no longer sufficient to meet the demand. So they grew dependent upon imports, and by 1920 they were already making plans to simply cut out the middleman and take control of local supplies themselves.

Well we know this fact. Japan had the resources to attack Hawaii, the Philippines and other areas of the world. But this is not about FDR at all, is it?

 

[Unkotare]

No, the punishment was to force Japan out of China.

We did NOT engage in warfare on behalf of China. That's stupid.

 

[AZrailwhale]

We did NOT engage in warfare on behalf of China. That's stupid.

How do you get that out of what I posted? The EMBARGO was intended to force Japan out of China.

 

[Unkotare]

How do you get that out of what I posted? The EMBARGO was intended to force Japan out of China.

Yeah, we cared so much about China that the Chinese Exclusion Act was still in force at the time.

 

[Mushroom]

We did NOT engage in warfare on behalf of China. That's stupid.

Right. And the AVG was just a fantasy that never existed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Right. And the AVG was just a fantasy that never existed.

The AVG were mercenaries, at least legally. FDR was giving China what assistance he could. The AVG didn’t enter combat until after Pearl.

 

[Unkotare]

Right. And the AVG was just a fantasy that never existed.

You think that was FOR China? How stupid are you?