What do you think of Trump admin. banning E-cigs?

[koshergrl]

What do you think of Trump admin. banning E-cigs?

First of all, as with all news these days, I'll believe it when I see it.

If he DOES, then I will say he was wrong. I love Trump, but no politican you support is ever right 100% of the time

My problem with it, is that's an act of congress, not an action by the executive branch, except by regulation. The FDA can regulate, and even ban dangerous drugs, but if they can't ban real cigarettes, how can they think of banning something less dangerous.

They can think about it.
They won't do it.

People need to stop freaking out over everything. Trump isn't taking anybody's guns, and he isn't going to take their legal drugs, either.

He's not a fan of the FDA, but my understanding is that this deadly shit is coming from ONLINE purchasing of out-of-country poison by kids. THAT needs to stop.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I used to be a very heavy smoker. I tried my first ecig and never had another tobacco cigarette. Over the years I cut down the nicotine percentage to zero. I've been at zero nic since 2011.

And yet because a few people got fucked up by some illegal vapes they want to ban the shit out of something that is actually helping people.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly are vaping devices helping people?

You do understand that vaping was created to be an alternative to tobacco smoking, and to help people quit doing that, right?

Where did you get that idea? vaping as we know it today (i.e. solid state devices with nicotine added to the consumable) wasn't created to help people quit tobacco smoking, it was created and (very successfully) marketed to expand the market for nicotine delivery devices, why do you think vaping has such a large user base that have never been tobacco smokers? It's was a brilliant product idea to counter the growing anti-tobacco sentiment among consumers, that's why the Big Tobacco companies bought up nearly the entire market, it's their future cash cow.

And it works for a lot of those people where nothing else has. You don't consider quitting smoking to be helpful?

Not when the mechanism is only somewhat less destructive, still as expensive as tobacco and is heavily marketed to children to the point that they mistakenly think that it's "safe", at this point we're still unsure of all the health risks but anecdotal evidence suggests that long term use can lead to serious pulmonary and heart issues.

On balance that isn't "helpful" IMHO, especially given that there are alternative NRT's that have plenty of research to indicate that they're safer as well as effective and the MOST effective treatments for quitting tobacco smoking appear to be low-cost, cold turkey type therapy (i.e. Allen Carr).

Nicotine isn't always added. Many people who vape don't use nicotine at all. I don't. I have not used nicotine in many years.

I did quit cold turkey years ago. I quit for a couple of years. I never liked it and finally just gave up. Cold turkey just wasn't that effective. I don't see any marketing to children of vape products. Where is it?

This reminds me of the idiocy years ago over saccharine. People used saccharine as a sweetner. It kept them away from sugar. To hear the experts tell it, the dead bodies of saccharine users were lining the streets. The product was banned. Then the same experts said it was a mistake saccharine was perfectly safe.

This is just more of the same nonsense.

Some woman made the mistake of lecturing my sister on the "eeeevils" of artificial sweeteners in the supermarket once (my sister is diabetic). My sister looked at her like a piece of dog shit on her shoe and said, "Beats having a foot amputated. **** off."

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

While they're at it ban:

******* edibles. I can't believe they make deserts of it. Who else likes desert? dogs, elderly and children. Don't tell me it aint left around the house either. I've seen otherwise. I know adults who think it's a game "oh look what I got, how fun). It's natural to consider candy candy,. Smoke a ******* joint or take a chill-pill, this aint Walt Disney.

All man-made recreational drugs. They're all toxic, can kill and disable.

I'm all for Capitalism, but this crap is lunacy.

More rightwing hypocrisy.

 

[koshergrl]

And yet because a few people got fucked up by some illegal vapes they want to ban the shit out of something that is actually helping people.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly are vaping devices helping people?

You do understand that vaping was created to be an alternative to tobacco smoking, and to help people quit doing that, right?

Where did you get that idea? vaping as we know it today (i.e. solid state devices with nicotine added to the consumable) wasn't created to help people quit tobacco smoking, it was created and (very successfully) marketed to expand the market for nicotine delivery devices, why do you think vaping has such a large user base that have never been tobacco smokers? It's was a brilliant product idea to counter the growing anti-tobacco sentiment among consumers, that's why the Big Tobacco companies bought up nearly the entire market, it's their future cash cow.

And it works for a lot of those people where nothing else has. You don't consider quitting smoking to be helpful?

Not when the mechanism is only somewhat less destructive, still as expensive as tobacco and is heavily marketed to children to the point that they mistakenly think that it's "safe", at this point we're still unsure of all the health risks but anecdotal evidence suggests that long term use can lead to serious pulmonary and heart issues.

On balance that isn't "helpful" IMHO, especially given that there are alternative NRT's that have plenty of research to indicate that they're safer as well as effective and the MOST effective treatments for quitting tobacco smoking appear to be low-cost, cold turkey type therapy (i.e. Allen Carr).

Nicotine isn't always added. Many people who vape don't use nicotine at all. I don't. I have not used nicotine in many years.

I did quit cold turkey years ago. I quit for a couple of years. I never liked it and finally just gave up. Cold turkey just wasn't that effective. I don't see any marketing to children of vape products. Where is it?

This reminds me of the idiocy years ago over saccharine. People used saccharine as a sweetner. It kept them away from sugar. To hear the experts tell it, the dead bodies of saccharine users were lining the streets. The product was banned. Then the same experts said it was a mistake saccharine was perfectly safe.

This is just more of the same nonsense.

Some woman made the mistake of lecturing my sister on the "eeeevils" of artificial sweeteners in the supermarket once (my sister is diabetic). My sister looked at her like a piece of dog shit on her shoe and said, "Beats having a foot amputated. **** off."

Exactly.
Regarding making vape ILLEGAL....Kids sit around in groups and literally compete to see how much how fast they can throw that shit into their lungs. Kids are idiots and they'll do stupid things until they die, it's a universal truth and always has been.

MONITOR YOUR KIDS' ONLINE AND OFFLINE ACTIVITIES if you want them not to die from something STUPID.

My kids are out of it now, I yanked their asses out of traditional school and took their phones. They hate me for it, I think I saved their lives.

 

[BlindBoo]

Isn't it possible that vaping is the also the cause of the national mental health epidemic of Trump Derangement Syndrome? You know, destroying the mind?

It taints their eyes. Combined with these newfangled light-bulbs, it somehow make Darling Donnie appear Orange-er than usual.

It's a Duh-Heap State conspiracy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What do you mean "no second hand smoke risks" ??? It's an aerosol (which your lungs aren't exactly designed to breath) laced with NICOTINE as well as other potentially harmful chemicals.

You're right that e-cigs do smell better, they also don't contain the tar or nearly as many potentially harmful chemicals as tobacco, but make no mistake, if you're a non-smoker you don't want to breath that shit for any length of time.

That being said, I don't support banning them.

As you know tobacco products emit smoke from both ends. e-cigs reduce the external emissions to far lower levels.
Unlike tobacco, second hand vape should have most of it's active ingredients absorbed by the smoker, and shouldn't be exhaled.

But I could be wrong.

You're right but the key word you said is MOST of it's active ingredients, exhaled "vape" is an aerosol with chemicals still in it. I don't want sit around and breathe that shit coming out of somebody else's lungs for any length of time regardless of how "nice" it smells, do you?

I'm not one of those rabid anti-smoking people either and I don't think e-cigs should be banned, just trying to look at the question realistically.

Who asked you to "sit around" and do anything? Someone chain you to the ******* floor? Feel free to get the **** up and MOVE, the way I do when someone walks in reeking of cheap perfume so badly that I cough until I gag.

Your definition of "realistically" does not resemble our English definition.

The next time you want to insert yourself into the middle of a conversation and start throwing around insults maybe you should at least take the time to READ THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION FIRST, this particular conversation was obviously WAY above your pay grade.

You don't need to rationalize your habits to me, feel free to go vape your brains, heart and lungs out because I don't care what you do to yourself and never have.
Off you go to /dev/null where nitwits that are incapable of carrying on discussions using reason belong.

The next time you want to have a private conversation where people can't "insert themselves" - ie. view your opinions as ignorant, uninformed, and intrusive - I suggest that you do it somewhere other than a public message board. Otherwise, I suggest with all the respect you have earned that you butch the **** up and don't whine about "don't intrude and insult me! Waaaahhh!! Someone didn't applaud!!!"

Also, please do not assume that if someone is not marveling at your "brilliance", it MUST be because they didn't read the conversation to then appreciate how right you OBVIOUSLY are, since nothing else is possible. It actually could be that they know exactly what you said and how you said it, and STILL think you're full of shit.

Further, just as no one is appealing to you as the Supreme Arbiter of "the right way" to quit smoking, no one is appealing to you for orders on how they may or may not post to a message thread. If you didn't express your position appropriately until the third page, that's on you, not me.

I'm not "going off" to anywhere, Fragile Flower. I'm staying right here. YOU are going to the land of "I can't tolerate not hearing praise" with the other pussies and dimwits. Bye now.

 

[Flash]

[Q

Exactly.
Regarding making vape ILLEGAL....Kids sit around in groups and literally compete to see how much how fast they can throw that shit into their lungs. Kids are idiots and they'll do stupid things until they die, it's a universal truth and always has been.

MONITOR YOUR KIDS' ONLINE AND OFFLINE ACTIVITIES if you want them not to die from something STUPID.

My kids are out of it now, I yanked their asses out of traditional school and took their phones. They hate me for it, I think I saved their lives.

Whenever I see anybody using tobacco I automatically assume they are idiots. I am not right all the time but tend to be most of the time.

The same with vaping.

It would be nice to live in a country that wasn't a nanny state that tried to control everything that we do. However, that ship has sailed. The government gets involved in everything. It was just a matter of time before they were going to jump on vaping.

I don't know the cost structure of vap but is it taxed the same as tobacco? If not that could explain the government interest. It sure isn't because anybody in government at any level really gives a shit about children.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And yet because a few people got fucked up by some illegal vapes they want to ban the shit out of something that is actually helping people.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly are vaping devices helping people?

You do understand that vaping was created to be an alternative to tobacco smoking, and to help people quit doing that, right?

Where did you get that idea? vaping as we know it today (i.e. solid state devices with nicotine added to the consumable) wasn't created to help people quit tobacco smoking, it was created and (very successfully) marketed to expand the market for nicotine delivery devices, why do you think vaping has such a large user base that have never been tobacco smokers? It's was a brilliant product idea to counter the growing anti-tobacco sentiment among consumers, that's why the Big Tobacco companies bought up nearly the entire market, it's their future cash cow.

And it works for a lot of those people where nothing else has. You don't consider quitting smoking to be helpful?

Not when the mechanism is only somewhat less destructive, still as expensive as tobacco and is heavily marketed to children to the point that they mistakenly think that it's "safe", at this point we're still unsure of all the health risks but anecdotal evidence suggests that long term use can lead to serious pulmonary and heart issues.

On balance that isn't "helpful" IMHO, especially given that there are alternative NRT's that have plenty of research to indicate that they're safer as well as effective and the MOST effective treatments for quitting tobacco smoking appear to be low-cost, cold turkey type therapy (i.e. Allen Carr).

Nicotine isn't always added. Many people who vape don't use nicotine at all. I don't. I have not used nicotine in many years.

I guess I should have been more precise, I was referring to the nicotine versions of the products only.

I did quit cold turkey years ago. I quit for a couple of years. I never liked it and finally just gave up. Cold turkey just wasn't that effective.

I can understand your situation, had a long conversation about these issues with a family member that was trying to quit and went through some researching because it turned out to be an interesting conundrum. It appears that some of the most (statistically) effective methods are cold-turkey therapy like Allen Carr, even more effective than prescription drug alternatives and NRT's (like patches, gum, inhalers).

I think people that want to quit tobacco deserve all the support they can get, my point was that there are safer NRT's than vaping products for people that just can't do it cold turkey.

I don't see any marketing to children of vape products. Where is it?

It's all over the place, walk into any convenience store that sells the product and look at the Ad's along with the product selection (form factors and flavors) not to mention all the marketing online, explains why these products have been so successful with teens, I've talked to teens that think vaping is a healthy alternative to tobacco, which is crazy.

Ahhh, another post from " If I can't hear people tell me I'm wrong, that means I'm right!" File that right in the "Chickenshits are always wrong" file.

 

[Cecilie1200]

wasn't created to help people quit tobacco smoking, it was created and (very successfully) marketed to expand the market for nicotine delivery devices

Nah I'm pretty sure it was so kids could smoke dope right under mom and dad's nose!

"No mom, it's not smoke. See, it smells like Girl Scout Cookies!"

As you'll see in one of my other posts, the first commercially viable e-cigarette was created by a smoker whose father died of lung cancer.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I wonder if vaping can the real cause of this Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness?

Welcome to the topic, but as I said, intelligently discuss, you sound like my grandson who's still learning english.

Let me guess. You vape.

Let me guess. You're an ignorant snowflake.

You didn't answer my question Moon Bat. Are you addicted to vaping?

I didn't "answer your question", Fruit Loop, because you didn't ask ME any.

Now that you have, the answer is, "None of your ******* business." Say something useful and ask questions politely, and MAYBE I'll feel generous enough to share information with you. I don't respond to people who appoint themselves Grand Inquisitor.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I wonder if vaping can the real cause of this Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness?

I'm sure you are amazed, and I'm also sure you are always astonished, astounded, surprised, bewildered, flabbergasted, stupefied, aghast, dumbfounded, dazed, perplexed and confused.

Vaping has caused some serious illness for people that nobody ever knew was going to happen.

Isn't it possible that vaping is the also the cause of the national mental health epidemic of Trump Derangement Syndrome? You know, destroying the mind? Don't you think it is worthwhile to do more studies? You know, for the health of the public? You stupid Moon Bats are always looking for excuses for the government to interfere in our lives so don't you think this is a good candidate to investigate?

Something abnormal is causing the TDS mental illness among you stupid Moon Bats. We should find out if it is the consequence of vaping.

Sanity and reality are just like specks on the horizon from where you are, aren't they?

 

[Rambunctious]

And I would like to see the evidence that flavors are specifically for "enticing young people", as opposed to just providing something that users in general want.

That would be impossible to do.....but you don't get less attention from kids with flavors like bubblegum...do ya?....

So what you're telling me is that adults shouldn't be able to get things that they like if kids like them as well? That anything kids like is automatically targeted at them, rather than JUST POSSIBLY targeted at adults with the same tastes?

No...what I'm saying is lets not kid ourselves they are trying to attract young people so they can have lifetime customers....like cigarettes and booze...remember candy cigarettes and boons farm wine?...I never said they should be illegal for adults....but how many adults do you know that suck on bubble gum vapes?....

 

[Cecilie1200]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly are vaping devices helping people?

You do understand that vaping was created to be an alternative to tobacco smoking, and to help people quit doing that, right?

Where did you get that idea? vaping as we know it today (i.e. solid state devices with nicotine added to the consumable) wasn't created to help people quit tobacco smoking, it was created and (very successfully) marketed to expand the market for nicotine delivery devices, why do you think vaping has such a large user base that have never been tobacco smokers? It's was a brilliant product idea to counter the growing anti-tobacco sentiment among consumers, that's why the Big Tobacco companies bought up nearly the entire market, it's their future cash cow.

And it works for a lot of those people where nothing else has. You don't consider quitting smoking to be helpful?

Not when the mechanism is only somewhat less destructive, still as expensive as tobacco and is heavily marketed to children to the point that they mistakenly think that it's "safe", at this point we're still unsure of all the health risks but anecdotal evidence suggests that long term use can lead to serious pulmonary and heart issues.

On balance that isn't "helpful" IMHO, especially given that there are alternative NRT's that have plenty of research to indicate that they're safer as well as effective and the MOST effective treatments for quitting tobacco smoking appear to be low-cost, cold turkey type therapy (i.e. Allen Carr).

Nicotine isn't always added. Many people who vape don't use nicotine at all. I don't. I have not used nicotine in many years.

I did quit cold turkey years ago. I quit for a couple of years. I never liked it and finally just gave up. Cold turkey just wasn't that effective. I don't see any marketing to children of vape products. Where is it?

This reminds me of the idiocy years ago over saccharine. People used saccharine as a sweetner. It kept them away from sugar. To hear the experts tell it, the dead bodies of saccharine users were lining the streets. The product was banned. Then the same experts said it was a mistake saccharine was perfectly safe.

This is just more of the same nonsense.

Some woman made the mistake of lecturing my sister on the "eeeevils" of artificial sweeteners in the supermarket once (my sister is diabetic). My sister looked at her like a piece of dog shit on her shoe and said, "Beats having a foot amputated. **** off."

Exactly.
Regarding making vape ILLEGAL....Kids sit around in groups and literally compete to see how much how fast they can throw that shit into their lungs. Kids are idiots and they'll do stupid things until they die, it's a universal truth and always has been.

MONITOR YOUR KIDS' ONLINE AND OFFLINE ACTIVITIES if you want them not to die from something STUPID.

My kids are out of it now, I yanked their asses out of traditional school and took their phones. They hate me for it, I think I saved their lives.

Let me get this straight. You're actually suggesting that parents should be responsible for their own children, rather than simply having the government ban everything until their little savages are totally safe?

 

[Cecilie1200]

And I would like to see the evidence that flavors are specifically for "enticing young people", as opposed to just providing something that users in general want.

That would be impossible to do.....but you don't get less attention from kids with flavors like bubblegum...do ya?....

So what you're telling me is that adults shouldn't be able to get things that they like if kids like them as well? That anything kids like is automatically targeted at them, rather than JUST POSSIBLY targeted at adults with the same tastes?

No...what I'm saying is lets not kid ourselves they are trying to attract young people so they can have lifetime customers....like cigarettes and booze...remember candy cigarettes and boons farm wine?...I never said they should be illegal for adults....but how many adults do you know that suck on bubble gum vapes?....

Who is "they", precisely? That's an awfully vague generalization for such a specific accusation of motive to apply.

Bubble gum flavor is a straw man, since it's not a hugely popular flavor of vape, as far as I know. According to all three of the vape shops I buy from, their two most popular flavors, by far, are Skittles and sour gummies. And all three shops sell only to legal adults; I have seen them card people who look younger than 30 just like the supermarket does, and turn people away who couldn't produce sufficient ID. So I'm gonna say there are a LOT of adults who vape candy flavors.

If you're still unconvinced, try going up to adults who are vaping and asking, "What flavor you using?" Every damned one of them - probably especially the females - is going to say something which would be equally appealing to kids, because - NEWSFLASH! - grownups don't like Brussels sprouts and dogshit-flavored stuff any more than kids do.

 

[Rambunctious]

And I would like to see the evidence that flavors are specifically for "enticing young people", as opposed to just providing something that users in general want.

That would be impossible to do.....but you don't get less attention from kids with flavors like bubblegum...do ya?....

So what you're telling me is that adults shouldn't be able to get things that they like if kids like them as well? That anything kids like is automatically targeted at them, rather than JUST POSSIBLY targeted at adults with the same tastes?

No...what I'm saying is lets not kid ourselves they are trying to attract young people so they can have lifetime customers....like cigarettes and booze...remember candy cigarettes and boons farm wine?...I never said they should be illegal for adults....but how many adults do you know that suck on bubble gum vapes?....

Who is "they", precisely? That's an awfully vague generalization for such a specific accusation of motive to apply.

Bubble gum flavor is a straw man, since it's not a hugely popular flavor of vape, as far as I know. According to all three of the vape shops I buy from, their two most popular flavors, by far, are Skittles and sour gummies. And all three shops sell only to legal adults; I have seen them card people who look younger than 30 just like the supermarket does, and turn people away who couldn't produce sufficient ID. So I'm gonna say there are a LOT of adults who vape candy flavors.

If you're still unconvinced, try going up to adults who are vaping and asking, "What flavor you using?" Every damned one of them - probably especially the females - is going to say something which would be equally appealing to kids, because - NEWSFLASH! - grownups don't like Brussels sprouts and dogshit-flavored stuff any more than kids do.

LOL they meaning

Who is "they", precisely? That's an awfully vague generalization for such a specific accusation of motive to apply

They = the companies making and selling the vapes....and don't give me "probably" show me one adult that vapes candy flavored vapes....I never said you souldn't be able to buy one but lets not lie to ourselves....candy flavoring is to attract young people...by young people I am including 20 somethings...and why do you go to brussel sprouts?....tobacco flavoring is the desired flavor for adults...brussel sprouts...lmao.....

 

[Flash]

I wonder if vaping can the real cause of this Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness?

I'm sure you are amazed, and I'm also sure you are always astonished, astounded, surprised, bewildered, flabbergasted, stupefied, aghast, dumbfounded, dazed, perplexed and confused.

Vaping has caused some serious illness for people that nobody ever knew was going to happen.

Isn't it possible that vaping is the also the cause of the national mental health epidemic of Trump Derangement Syndrome? You know, destroying the mind? Don't you think it is worthwhile to do more studies? You know, for the health of the public? You stupid Moon Bats are always looking for excuses for the government to interfere in our lives so don't you think this is a good candidate to investigate?

Something abnormal is causing the TDS mental illness among you stupid Moon Bats. We should find out if it is the consequence of vaping.

Sanity and reality are just like specks on the horizon from where you are, aren't they?

Vaping has really destroyed your mind, hasn't it?

 

[JWBooth]

Sucking crap into your lungs is stupid regardless of the substance.

Banning things because you consider them "stupid" is far more stupid.

Missed the nanny state post did ya?

ETA Well crap, that post isn’t in this thread. ANYWAY, I oppose nanny state interference in how people live their lives. Just pointing out that abusing your lungs is dumb.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

While they're at it ban:

******* edibles. I can't believe they make deserts of it. Who else likes desert? dogs, elderly and children. Don't tell me it aint left around the house either. I've seen otherwise. I know adults who think it's a game "oh look what I got, how fun). It's natural to consider candy candy,. Smoke a ******* joint or take a chill-pill, this aint Walt Disney.

All man-made recreational drugs. They're all toxic, can kill and disable.

I'm all for Capitalism, but this crap is lunacy.

Don't ban ANYTHING!!

That's usually where we get into the most trouble.

.

 

[debbiedowner]

Ecigs have not been banned. Why not just ban THC vapes. That's what's killing teens.

Nothing has been banned yet and Trump so far is only talking flavored vapes.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And I would like to see the evidence that flavors are specifically for "enticing young people", as opposed to just providing something that users in general want.

That would be impossible to do.....but you don't get less attention from kids with flavors like bubblegum...do ya?....

So what you're telling me is that adults shouldn't be able to get things that they like if kids like them as well? That anything kids like is automatically targeted at them, rather than JUST POSSIBLY targeted at adults with the same tastes?

No...what I'm saying is lets not kid ourselves they are trying to attract young people so they can have lifetime customers....like cigarettes and booze...remember candy cigarettes and boons farm wine?...I never said they should be illegal for adults....but how many adults do you know that suck on bubble gum vapes?....

Who is "they", precisely? That's an awfully vague generalization for such a specific accusation of motive to apply.

Bubble gum flavor is a straw man, since it's not a hugely popular flavor of vape, as far as I know. According to all three of the vape shops I buy from, their two most popular flavors, by far, are Skittles and sour gummies. And all three shops sell only to legal adults; I have seen them card people who look younger than 30 just like the supermarket does, and turn people away who couldn't produce sufficient ID. So I'm gonna say there are a LOT of adults who vape candy flavors.

If you're still unconvinced, try going up to adults who are vaping and asking, "What flavor you using?" Every damned one of them - probably especially the females - is going to say something which would be equally appealing to kids, because - NEWSFLASH! - grownups don't like Brussels sprouts and dogshit-flavored stuff any more than kids do.

LOL they meaning

Who is "they", precisely? That's an awfully vague generalization for such a specific accusation of motive to apply

They = the companies making and selling the vapes....and don't give me "probably" show me one adult that vapes candy flavored vapes....I never said you souldn't be able to buy one but lets not lie to ourselves....candy flavoring is to attract young people...by young people I am including 20 somethings...and why do you go to brussel sprouts?....tobacco flavoring is the desired flavor for adults...brussel sprouts...lmao.....

Yeah, uh, there's a long, wide spectrum in those "companies" you blithely reference. I get that people who know nothing about vaping think it's all those shitty little disposables made mostly by tobacco companies and sold at supermarkets. It's not. Take me, for example. My hardware is made by a company which works exclusively in designing and manufacturing vape mods, and is a subsidiary of a computer company. My e-juice is manufactured and sold by a locally-owned small business. They, too, are among the "those companies" you carelessly make generalizations about.

How am I supposed to "show" you an adult who vapes candy flavors, scan in a picture of one? The only time I said "probably" was when I expressed the opinion the women are more likely to like candy and dessert flavors than men. Everything else was reporting my own actual experiences and those of people who work in this industry. Their customers are all adults, and their best sellers are candy flavors.

If you can't handle the basic common sense of "candy flavors aren't targeting kids because kids aren't the only people who like candy", then that's on you, but don't you ******* DARE to casually call ME a liar on the basis of what you don't want to deal with.

And don't try that "inflate the numbers by casually sliding in adults" BS, either. You said "marketing to kids", and you don't get to try to retroactively make yourself correct by saying, "Oh, I was including people in their 20s".

Tobacco is NOT the "desired flavor for adults". It may be the flavor YOU desire them to have, but it's a pretty niche choice for adults who vape in terms of sales volume.