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What do you think about Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants?
- Thread starter IronFist
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Obama was elected twiceTrump this Gertrude.... US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
His rhetoric feeds into the very ignorance we see on this board. Even thpough we now have net zero illegals coming in, the willfully ignorant STILL believe they are pouring over the border by the millions and that they're taking US jobs.
The US invites them here.
The US buys their drugs.
The US trashed their agriculture and manufacturing.
The US needs them as much as they need us.
Trump is a joke. All he knows is to inherit millions, put companies into bankruptcy and huff and puff. Americans are not stupid enough to vote for him.
Vandalshandle
Gold Member
The media is twisting facts per usual.Trump this Gertrude.... US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
His rhetoric feeds into the very ignorance we see on this board. Even thpough we now have net zero illegals coming in, the willfully ignorant STILL believe they are pouring over the border by the millions and that they're taking US jobs.
The US invites them here.
The US buys their drugs.
The US trashed their agriculture and manufacturing.
The US needs them as much as they need us.
Trump is a joke. All he knows is to inherit millions, put companies into bankruptcy and huff and puff. Americans are not stupid enough to vote for him.
A majority of male illegal immigrants have been arrested for theft, drugs, DUI, sexual assault. A very huge problem is they drink and drive.
Once they have gotten away with breaking one law, illegally entering the USA, their respect for law is greatly diminished.
Not to mention the drug cartels that funnel illegals from South America into Mexico then into the USA.
Donald Trump may be controversial, but he speaks the truth.
And you can provide links to this? Other than generalized Fox rants, I mean?
BluesLegend
Diamond Member
Illegals are trafficking massive amounts of Meth into our country, killing and destroying our young people. You won't hear the asshole liberals talking about it, you won't hear about it in the MSM News, but National Geographic produce a documentary on it.
After illegals break our laws coming here, they continue to break our laws. They drive without a license or insurance, drive drunk, and kill and maim our citizens in accidents. I personally know someone who was about to begin her retirement, instead she was broad sided by an illegal drunk, nearly died 3 times, endured 8 surgeries, and will never be the same.
Illegals have no respect for our laws, they willingly scam American taxpayers out of over $4 billion dollars a year in fraudulent tax refunds. Did you get a $8,000 to $12,000 tax refund from the Federal government? Many illegals did.
Are these really the immigrants we should be granting citizenship to?
After illegals break our laws coming here, they continue to break our laws. They drive without a license or insurance, drive drunk, and kill and maim our citizens in accidents. I personally know someone who was about to begin her retirement, instead she was broad sided by an illegal drunk, nearly died 3 times, endured 8 surgeries, and will never be the same.
Illegals have no respect for our laws, they willingly scam American taxpayers out of over $4 billion dollars a year in fraudulent tax refunds. Did you get a $8,000 to $12,000 tax refund from the Federal government? Many illegals did.
Are these really the immigrants we should be granting citizenship to?
Vandalshandle
Gold Member
Illegals are trafficking massive amounts of Meth into our country, killing and destroying our young people. You won't hear the asshole liberals talking about it, you won't hear about it in the MSM News, but National Geographic produce a documentary on it.
After illegals break our laws coming here, they continue to break our laws. They drive without a license or insurance, drive drunk, and kill and maim our citizens in accidents. I personally know someone who was about to begin her retirement, instead she was broad sided by an illegal drunk, nearly died 3 times, endured 8 surgeries, and will never be the same.
Illegals have no respect for our laws, they willingly scam American taxpayers out of over $4 billion dollars a year in fraudulent tax refunds. Did you get a $8,000 to $12,000 tax refund from the Federal government? Many illegals did.
Are these really the immigrants we should be granting citizenship to?
...and again, no links. just regurgitated Fox News rants......
I don't understand why he is always bashed for his views. Seems like the main media outlets are doing everything possible to discredit Donald Trump. Not a single candidate is attacked so frequently. Maybe it's because he has his own opinion on things? Anyway, if you look at crime and immigration rates he is right. The majority of crimes are being performed by illegals and everyone understands that.
We should end illegal immigrations and fight it with vigor. His comments, while on their premise are not wrong, but they came off as racist in this PC world. Teddy planned well, the Hispanic vote is strong voting bloc and getting stronger. They are needed because the Black vote is hopelessly lost.
But, they are the MINORITY of those crossing the border! The MAJORITY are from further south - Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Honduras. ....
No, they're not.
All right. So it's clear that you think you're an expert on immigration and immigrants in general. That being the case, please tell us of your every day interchange with the Hispanic community and your close ties to the same.
As for your witty response to my statement - PROVE IT!
But, they are the MINORITY of those crossing the border! The MAJORITY are from further south - Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Honduras. ....
No, they're not.
All right. So it's clear that you think you're an expert on immigration and immigrants in general. That being the case, please tell us of your every day interchange with the Hispanic community and your close ties to the same.
As for your witty response to my statement - PROVE IT!
Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration Solutions - ProCon.org
But, they are the MINORITY of those crossing the border! The MAJORITY are from further south - Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Honduras. ....
No, they're not.
All right. So it's clear that you think you're an expert on immigration and immigrants in general. That being the case, please tell us of your every day interchange with the Hispanic community and your close ties to the same.
I spend all day teaching Latino immigrant high school students (they are on summer break right now, of course) in a (very) urban school district, and several nights a week I teach adult learners at a community college who are majority Latino as well. These are two of my jobs.
BluesLegend
Diamond Member
Illegals are trafficking massive amounts of Meth into our country, killing and destroying our young people. You won't hear the asshole liberals talking about it, you won't hear about it in the MSM News, but National Geographic produce a documentary on it.
After illegals break our laws coming here, they continue to break our laws. They drive without a license or insurance, drive drunk, and kill and maim our citizens in accidents. I personally know someone who was about to begin her retirement, instead she was broad sided by an illegal drunk, nearly died 3 times, endured 8 surgeries, and will never be the same.
Illegals have no respect for our laws, they willingly scam American taxpayers out of over $4 billion dollars a year in fraudulent tax refunds. Did you get a $8,000 to $12,000 tax refund from the Federal government? Many illegals did.
Are these really the immigrants we should be granting citizenship to?
...and again, no links. just regurgitated Fox News rants......
Here's your link fool
===============================Trump struck a nerve with the public because too many people have been the victims of illegals and no one has ever spoken up for them. Not once.
More US citizens have benefitted from illegal immigrants than have been victims.
Illegal immigrants are paid dirt wages to take jobs our citizens will not take.
Many products and services we all use are cheaper because of illegal immigrants.
Many businesses DEPEND on illegal immigrants. We all pay the benefits of the illegal immigrants because they do not get paid enough to support themselves.
Let's go after the private businesses that are employing illegal immigrants. Many illegal immigrants would not come to the US if they did not know the jobs were there.
Also all citizens cannot complain when they are paying more for many products because businesses would have to pay higher wages as they should.
The families of the dead no doubt consider the deaths of their loved ones just part of the price they have to pay for cheap labor.===============================Trump struck a nerve with the public because too many people have been the victims of illegals and no one has ever spoken up for them. Not once.
More US citizens have benefitted from illegal immigrants than have been victims.
Illegal immigrants are paid dirt wages to take jobs our citizens will not take.
Many products and services we all use are cheaper because of illegal immigrants.
Many businesses DEPEND on illegal immigrants. We all pay the benefits of the illegal immigrants because they do not get paid enough to support themselves.
Let's go after the private businesses that are employing illegal immigrants. Many illegal immigrants would not come to the US if they did not know the jobs were there.
Also all citizens cannot complain when they are paying more for many products because businesses would have to pay higher wages as they should.
BluePhantom
Educator (of liberals)
Illegals are trafficking massive amounts of Meth into our country, killing and destroying our young people. You won't hear the asshole liberals talking about it, you won't hear about it in the MSM News, but National Geographic produce a documentary on it.
After illegals break our laws coming here, they continue to break our laws. They drive without a license or insurance, drive drunk, and kill and maim our citizens in accidents. I personally know someone who was about to begin her retirement, instead she was broad sided by an illegal drunk, nearly died 3 times, endured 8 surgeries, and will never be the same.
Illegals have no respect for our laws, they willingly scam American taxpayers out of over $4 billion dollars a year in fraudulent tax refunds. Did you get a $8,000 to $12,000 tax refund from the Federal government? Many illegals did.
Are these really the immigrants we should be granting citizenship to?
...and again, no links. just regurgitated Fox News rants......
Sigh....
"...GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an
average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration
offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense.
Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of
arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal
court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of
immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals
convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens.
SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in
Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various
offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of
GAO’s analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens
incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide
resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in
the fifth state—New York—in fiscal year 2008. "
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
"Statistical studies regarding illegal aliens and criminal activity are few and far between. But in a 2007 Government Accountability Office study of a sample population of 55,322 illegal aliens, analysts discovered that:
* They were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than one arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.
* They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests.
* Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud--including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice.
* Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states--California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona."
Illegal Aliens and Crime Statistics not on Obama s side - National public safety Examiner.com
"For fiscal year 2011 the Office of Immigration Statistics reported that there were 188,382 deportations ("removals") of criminal illegal immigrants ("aliens").5 Of these, 23 percent had committed drug-related offenses (manufacturing, distribution, sale, and possession of illegal drugs). Another 23 percent had committed criminal traffic offenses (primarily driving under the influence).6 The next largest category, at 20 percent, was immigration offenses such as illegal reentry after deportation. The violent crime categories of assault, robbery, sexual assault, and family offenses totaled 12 percent. The non-violent crime categories of larceny, fraud, and burglary totaled 7 percent...Out of the 188,382 criminal aliens deported in 2011, at least 86,699, or 46 percent, had been deported earlier and had illegally returned to the United States."
The Revolving Door Center for Immigration Studies
BluePhantom
Educator (of liberals)
Illegal immigrants are paid dirt wages to take jobs our citizens will not take.
Horseshit! Just last year I took my teenage daughter to apply for a temporary job at the Oregon State Fair. We got there at 7:00 AM and the line was down the street. There were SEVERAL men and women dressed in business suits holding briefcases looking for ANY job they could find...even a temporary job sweeping up trash at the fair. You are completely full of shit.
Los Angeles top 10 most wanted
Top Ten Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department
Top Ten Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department
Trump is not serious.
He wouldn't do a damn thing about immigration even if he was in office. Hell, he is starting to look like the biggest exporter of jobs and employer of illegals in the US.
Also, he has a bad habit of disrespecting us, the American people. I don't agree with Trump. Trump is an arrogant nut.
And obama and the left respects the rights of the sovereign citizens of this country?
I don't respect sovereign citizens period. If they want to live of government, move to Antarctica!! There is no government there!
They are full of shit Anarchist that think they can gain sympathy from freedom loving citizens. No--if you want your fiefdom, should have claimed it before the US gain jurisdiction over it.
However, there is a lot of free land in Artarctica
Trump is not serious.
He wouldn't do a damn thing about immigration even if he was in office. Hell, he is starting to look like the biggest exporter of jobs and employer of illegals in the US.
Also, he has a bad habit of disrespecting us, the American people. I don't agree with Trump. Trump is an arrogant nut.
And Obama and Hillary are just icons of humility
nope
I talked about Hillary in the bernie-trump thread. If you want to see how I really about her, you are welcome to join the conversation over there.
Funny, we can't find any wide-eyed Hillary supporters, so bring some for us to jump on, ok? That is, if you can find any!
Vandalshandle
Gold Member
Illegals are trafficking massive amounts of Meth into our country, killing and destroying our young people. You won't hear the asshole liberals talking about it, you won't hear about it in the MSM News, but National Geographic produce a documentary on it.
After illegals break our laws coming here, they continue to break our laws. They drive without a license or insurance, drive drunk, and kill and maim our citizens in accidents. I personally know someone who was about to begin her retirement, instead she was broad sided by an illegal drunk, nearly died 3 times, endured 8 surgeries, and will never be the same.
Illegals have no respect for our laws, they willingly scam American taxpayers out of over $4 billion dollars a year in fraudulent tax refunds. Did you get a $8,000 to $12,000 tax refund from the Federal government? Many illegals did.
Are these really the immigrants we should be granting citizenship to?
...and again, no links. just regurgitated Fox News rants......
Sigh....
"...GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an
average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration
offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense.
Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of
arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal
court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of
immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals
convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens.
SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in
Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various
offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of
GAO’s analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens
incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide
resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in
the fifth state—New York—in fiscal year 2008. "
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
"Statistical studies regarding illegal aliens and criminal activity are few and far between. But in a 2007 Government Accountability Office study of a sample population of 55,322 illegal aliens, analysts discovered that:
* They were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than one arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.
* They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests.
* Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud--including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice.
* Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states--California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona."
Illegal Aliens and Crime Statistics not on Obama s side - National public safety Examiner.com
"For fiscal year 2011 the Office of Immigration Statistics reported that there were 188,382 deportations ("removals") of criminal illegal immigrants ("aliens").5 Of these, 23 percent had committed drug-related offenses (manufacturing, distribution, sale, and possession of illegal drugs). Another 23 percent had committed criminal traffic offenses (primarily driving under the influence).6 The next largest category, at 20 percent, was immigration offenses such as illegal reentry after deportation. The violent crime categories of assault, robbery, sexual assault, and family offenses totaled 12 percent. The non-violent crime categories of larceny, fraud, and burglary totaled 7 percent...Out of the 188,382 criminal aliens deported in 2011, at least 86,699, or 46 percent, had been deported earlier and had illegally returned to the United States."
The Revolving Door Center for Immigration Studies
So the criminality of the population that you are quoting is high. Well, considering that the population that you are using in your statistics are deported illegal immigrants, and considering that for the last several years, the illegals deported were prioritized as deporting those who are convicted criminals, first, and considering that few illegal immigrants are deported who are not apprehended doing some sort of criminal activity, I would say that your population is not representative of the population of all immigrants who are undocumented.
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