What do you expect of Billionaires being the leaders?

[SweetTea]

All the economic experts have stated (correctly) that the amount of money that will be spent in deporting the illlegal aliens will cause inflation to go up hugely. So if you think that you will be paying less for goods and services under Trump than under Biden, if Trump does what he has promised to do, you will be wrong.

Following your logic, allowing more illegals would cause inflation to go down. We can allow work visas, but what we don’t need is people walking across the border with no checks in place. It makes no sense from either an economic or national security perspective.

These economic “experts” that the left likes to routinely tout are largely partisan hacks. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think their politics affect and subsequently skew their opinions. The “top” economists are almost all in academia and many are in the most liberal institutions in the country. They identify as liberal. That plays a huge role in their assessments. Why do you think Presidents work so hard to appoint Supreme Court justices that share their political views? They are legal experts, but clearly their political ideology plays a role in the way they interpret the law, which leads to opinions that often align with their political leanings.

I disagree with these “experts”. That is not to say that I don’t listen to their opinions, but I compare and contrast their opinions with others(also biased) and come to my own conclusion. I have done quite well for myself. I am a Republican and my views are skewed, but I am a pragmatist and the proof is in the pudding.

He is not only unqualified for the job but he is the antithesis of what an Attorney General should be, which is non-partisan and does everything according to the law.

Garland used law-fare to go after Trump and Republicans and yet he was he qualified for the position in your opinion. Imagine that.

You refuse to see facts and ALWAYS excuse Trump for everything.

And you refuse to see any good that Trump does and won’t give him credit for anything. See how that goes?

 

[Luckyone]

Following your logic, allowing more illegals would cause inflation to go down. We can allow work visas, but what we don’t need is people walking across the border with no checks in place. It makes no sense from either an economic or national security perspective.

These economic “experts” that the left likes to routinely tout are largely partisan hacks. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think their politics affect and subsequently skew their opinions. The “top” economists are almost all in academia and many are in the most liberal institutions in the country. They identify as liberal. That plays a huge role in their assessments. Why do you think Presidents work so hard to appoint Supreme Court justices that share their political views? They are legal experts, but clearly their political ideology plays a role in the way they interpret the law, which leads to opinions that often align with their political leanings.

I disagree with these “experts”. That is not to say that I don’t listen to their opinions, but I compare and contrast their opinions with others(also biased) and come to my own conclusion. I have done quite well for myself. I am a Republican and my views are skewed, but I am a pragmatist and the proof is in the pudding.

You have to be kidding with this response. No experts are needed to understand that you have to pay to find and catch the illegal alien, you then have to jail him or put store him somewhere until the preparations are made to deport him. You have to check to see if this person has requested asylum or not (legal fees), you have to feed him while this happens. Then you have to pay for the deportation itself (plane ride).

The cost of doing this for 11+ million undocumented aliens is exorbitant and it is the government that has to pay for it. Where will the money for this come from? Borrowing? taking away from somewhere else? taxes higher? Tariffs? all of these actions are inflationary. In addition, these illegal aliens are working somewhere and you take them away from where they work, the company that is using them, has to find others to take their jobs and likely pay those a higher wage, meaning less profit or passing that cost to the consumer, also meaning higher inflation

YOU are not able to realize this by yourself?

Garland used law-fare to go after Trump and Republicans and yet he was he qualified for the position in your opinion. Imagine that.

Garland has a long history of knowledge of the law and doing it correctly. In 2016, he was proposed for the Supreme Court but McConnell said to wait until the election was over to even vote for his acceptance. at that time, 90% of ALL Senators (including Republicans) were in favor of him being on the Supreme Court. He has always been faithful to the law and not been partisan in any way. Trump and the far right have fed you garbage and you have eaten it up

And you refuse to see any good that Trump does and won’t give him credit for anything. See how that goes?

It is not about seeing any good that Trump has done but about comparing the good and the bad and the bad overwhelms the good. You have yet to see and much less agree on the bad that is clearly evident, starting with the fact that he is a proven pathological liar. and yet, you believe everything he says

 

[Mr Natural]

Ten million at 100 per bus load is 100,000 bus loads.

 

[otto105]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

What I expect from maga billionaires, grift.

 

[SweetTea]

You have to be kidding with this response. No experts are needed to understand that you have to pay to find and catch the illegal alien, you then have to jail him or put store him somewhere until the preparations are made to deport him. You have to check to see if this person has requested asylum or not (legal fees), you have to feed him while this happens. Then you have to pay for the deportation itself (plane ride).

Use the National Guard and use buses. Maybe what you don't understand is that there is a cost to keep them here. By a bus ticket for 50 of them from NYC to El Paso, for example. The housing, food and healthcare cost savings would be huge per each bus load per month. This money would be more than made up in short order. Also, you must take into account the national security issues.

NYC alone says it is costing them 12 billion over the course of 3 years.

Mayor Adams Says Migrant Influx Will Cost New York City $12 Billion (Published 2023)

The cost of doing this for 11+ million undocumented aliens is exorbitant and it is the government that has to pay for it. Where will the money for this come from? Borrowing? taking away from somewhere else? taxes higher? Tariffs? all of these actions are inflationary

Again, the savings alone would more the make up for the cost in relatively short order. On a per immigrant basis, the cost of deporting them on a per illegal basis would be less that one month's food, shelter and healthcare. The media plays on your emotions and counts on blind allegiance and a lack of intellectual curiosity. In short, you are being played.

Migrants coming to New York City are being given prepaid debit cards that in certain cases, like food assistance, dwarf the amounts provided to families of legal status. For example, the average family of four's monthly Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) payment is $713, but migrant families of four receive $1,400 a month.

Benefits for undocumented immigrants (NYC)

Immigrants who have just arrived in New York may be eligible for public benefits that provide money and medical care, including:

• Cash Assistance provides you with some money twice a month so you can buy things you need, like toiletries and clothes.
• Medicaid pays for your medical care, like going to the doctor or getting medications.
• WIC helps women, infants and children buy things they need, like formula or cereal.

WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR CASH ASSISTANCE, MEDICAID, AND WIC IN NEW YORK?​

• You do NOT need to be a US citizen or have status to receive these benefits.
• Applying for WIC and Medicaid should NOT harm your immigration status and applying for cash assistance will not automatically deem you a “public charge".
• The “public charge” rule does not apply to asylees, refugees, VAWA self-petitioners, U-visa and T-visa holders; special immigrant juveniles; and certain individuals paroled into the U.S.
• Most immigrants do not even qualify for public benefits that make a person a “public charge.”

In addition, these illegal aliens are working somewhere and you take them away from where they work, the company that is using them, has to find others to take their jobs and likely pay those a higher wage, meaning less profit or passing that cost to the consumer, also meaning higher inflation

Some are working, but many are not and as shown above, regardless of their work status, they are receiving benefits, which is a net loss to us in the long run. I don't have a problem with people coming to the US to work, but they should do it legally, not illegally and they should be paying taxes to at least somewhat justify the services they utilize.

YOU are not able to realize this by yourself?

Yes, I was able to realize the opposite of what you have been spoon fed all by myself. Imagine that.

Garland has a long history of knowledge of the law and doing it correctly.

Garland used law-fare to go after Trump. Alvin Bragg, Laticia James and Fannie Willis all met with the DOJ before going after Trump. In the case of NYC, they then fabricated a nonsense charge by escalating misdemeanors to a felony and assigned an extremely partisan judge whose daughter's company was hired by the Biden/Harris campaign and other Democratic campaigns. This judge then proceeds to make outlandish claims like noting that Trump's Mar-A-Largo property was only worth 18 million when, in fact, simply doing comps in the area will show that the value is worth well over 1 billion.

It is past time for these evil Democrats to be kicked to the curb. Republicans have treated them with kids gloves in the past. It is time to put them in their place. I am very happy that Trump appears to have learned his lesson from his first go around. Don't pick establishment types or lukewarm Republicans to fill these roles. I can hardly wait to be honest.

 

[skye]

 

[Luckyone]

Use the National Guard and use buses. Maybe what you don't understand is that there is a cost to keep them here. By a bus ticket for 50 of them from NYC to El Paso, for example. The housing, food and healthcare cost savings would be huge per each bus load per month. This money would be more than made up in short order. Also, you must take into account the national security issues.

NYC alone says it is costing them 12 billion over the course of 3 years.

Mayor Adams Says Migrant Influx Will Cost New York City $12 Billion (Published 2023)



Again, the savings alone would more the make up for the cost in relatively short order. On a per immigrant basis, the cost of deporting them on a per illegal basis would be less that one month's food, shelter and healthcare. The media plays on your emotions and counts on blind allegiance and a lack of intellectual curiosity. In short, you are being played.

Migrants coming to New York City are being given prepaid debit cards that in certain cases, like food assistance, dwarf the amounts provided to families of legal status. For example, the average family of four's monthly Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) payment is $713, but migrant families of four receive $1,400 a month.

Benefits for undocumented immigrants (NYC)

Immigrants who have just arrived in New York may be eligible for public benefits that provide money and medical care, including:

• Cash Assistance provides you with some money twice a month so you can buy things you need, like toiletries and clothes.
• Medicaid pays for your medical care, like going to the doctor or getting medications.
• WIC helps women, infants and children buy things they need, like formula or cereal.

WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR CASH ASSISTANCE, MEDICAID, AND WIC IN NEW YORK?​

• You do NOT need to be a US citizen or have status to receive these benefits.
• Applying for WIC and Medicaid should NOT harm your immigration status and applying for cash assistance will not automatically deem you a “public charge".
• The “public charge” rule does not apply to asylees, refugees, VAWA self-petitioners, U-visa and T-visa holders; special immigrant juveniles; and certain individuals paroled into the U.S.
• Most immigrants do not even qualify for public benefits that make a person a “public charge.”

Some are working, but many are not and as shown above, regardless of their work status, they are receiving benefits, which is a net loss to us in the long run. I don't have a problem with people coming to the US to work, but they should do it legally, not illegally and they should be paying taxes to at least somewhat justify the services they utilize.



Yes, I was able to realize the opposite of what you have been spoon fed all by myself. Imagine that.



Garland used law-fare to go after Trump. Alvin Bragg, Laticia James and Fannie Willis all met with the DOJ before going after Trump. In the case of NYC, they then fabricated a nonsense charge by escalating misdemeanors to a felony and assigned an extremely partisan judge whose daughter's company was hired by the Biden/Harris campaign and other Democratic campaigns. This judge then proceeds to make outlandish claims like noting that Trump's Mar-A-Largo property was only worth 18 million when, in fact, simply doing comps in the area will show that the value is worth well over 1 billion.

It is past time for these evil Democrats to be kicked to the curb. Republicans have treated them with kids gloves in the past. It is time to put them in their place. I am very happy that Trump appears to have learned his lesson from his first go around. Don't pick establishment types or lukewarm Republicans to fill these roles. I can hardly wait to be honest.

think whatever you want but keep in mind that experts economists say different. Argue your points with them.

Why economists think Trump’s immigration crackdown could hike prices on groceries, housing and day care​

How much would Trump's plans for deportations, tariffs, and the Fed damage the US economy?​

Mass Deportation​

Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy

As far as Garland is concerned. His job is to go after criminals and Trump has proven to be a criminal. He was just doing his job. He did not cherry pick Trump. Trump was a glaring example of being a criminal

Why We Shouldn’t Call Trump a “Criminal”​

The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct​

​

 

[Stann]

Depends on who the billionaire is, DUH

Yes , Warren Buffet would have been a great president.

 

[Stann]

I've been reminded over the last few years how much importance Americans place in celebrity. Remember that most of Trump's celebrity is from his staged teevee show, not his bankruptcy-spotted business acumen. Looks like Musk has made that transition, too.

Next we'll see Kim Kardashian as Secretary of Commerce. Image and marketing. That's just America now.

That's just sad and problematic.

 

[WEATHER53]

Empathy racists are the lib loons.

 

[Stann]

How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority?

what makes you think they don't empathize with us?

or, why does empathy matter

And, what makes you think the type of person who is a lawyer has empathy

Or, what makes you think life long politicians have empathy

Good questions. We have never had a president as immoral , unsympathetic and egotistical as trump is ,; none of which should ever be presidential virtues.

 

[Stann]

Billionaires have been running the country for a long time. Do you somehow not know this?

They've never been as open about taking over the country completely.

 

[elektra]

Good questions. We have never had a president as immoral , unsympathetic and egotistical as trump is ,; none of which should ever be presidential virtues.

We also never had voters as stupid as you, we all see what you cant.

 

[elektra]

Yes , Warren Buffet would have been a great president.

Warren Buffet owes billions in taxes

 

[Stann]

It depends on how someone became wealthy.

The best of people are those born poor and/or with challenges. To overcome those challenges and succeed and you are a special breed, your DNA is structured a particular way and you can relate to the poor and the rich.

trump was born rich , questionable money from his dad. Who assisted / bailed his son out many times. trump , himself , continued dad's questionable practices to build his own wealth. Mostly hit and miss but using questionable practices , he always seemed to get out on top. Most everyone and everything he gets involved in are adversely affected by the partnership. Now he's adversely affecting the whole country putting it in severe danger.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

I expect fewer rights for workers, maybe labor unions being busted. I expect lower wages, for most Americans, the cost of housing will go up. Government programs will be defunded, maybe even privatized. More public properties (our commonwealth) will be sold to the highest bidder, placing them in the hands of billionaires, and companies like Black Rock. Our nation's infrastructure will seriously suffer due to lack of maintenance and development. Public transit will get worse, replaced by expensive self-driving vehicles. More jobs will be replaced by advanced automation and AI.

Moreover, in the international sphere, we might be forced to send our sons and daughters to fight and die in Iran for IsraHELL. The Palestinians will continue to be dehumanized, brutalized by the Israelis, fully funded and armed by the USA. We might go to war with Russia and/or China.

Hopefully, we'll get out the other side of these four years in one piece, and we won't end up as glowing ash, blowing in the wind.

 

[elektra]

. Now he's adversely affecting the whole country putting it in severe danger.

Incredible, we are in danger from Trump right now even though Trump has zero power until inaugaration.

Tell us more intelligent one

 

[Stann]

Incredible, we are in danger from Trump right now even though Trump has zero power until inaugaration.

Tell us more intelligent one

He's been a threat since he showed up wether you admit it or not. When he becomes president the threat increases multifold.

 

[elektra]

Now he's adversely affecting the whole country putting it in severe danger.

Yet it is the Democrats arming terrorists, democrats giving billions in military aid and dollars to terrorists.

 

[elektra]

He's been a threat since he showed up wether you admit it or not. When he becomes president the threat increases multifold.

You are talking about Biden, right?