What do the neo-Zionists believe will happen?

[Lipush]

It's not a matter of it being legal. In times of Hitler Germany hardly had any laws at all. So it's not a good comparison.

Actually, there isn't a better comparison out there. Because these international laws that you eschew with glee, were created, in part, to prevent another Holocaust.

So you just took a big shit on the souls who lost their lives during that period.

Because of people like you, their deaths are now in vain.

My grandfather told my father when he was a boy, that when he joins the army, he should never let go of the land, do whatever he can to not lose the homeland, because the Arabs will make Auschwitz look like an Eden compared to what they had planned for us.

That grandfather of mine survived both world wars.

So don't bring our dead to discussion. We know what they would have thought and said.

 

[Lipush]

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

Israel is now less willing to go down that road, taking to mind that Israelis are being murdered now each day, twice a day.

So now the terrotories as viewed as Israel's with for a greater Israel? Please tell me you see the irony of this. Judea and Samaria are the original lands of the Jews, they;re called JUDEA named after those who inhabited them. It's not 'greater' Israel, it's THE Israel. Many Jews would have prefered the original "West Bank" over Tel Aviv and Hertzliyya, every day,

 

[Humanity]

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

Israel is now less willing to go down that road, taking to mind that Israelis are being murdered now each day, twice a day.

So now the terrotories as viewed as Israel's with for a greater Israel? Please tell me you see the irony of this. Judea and Samaria are the original lands of the Jews, they;re called JUDEA named after those who inhabited them. It's not 'greater' Israel, it's THE Israel. Many Jews would have prefered the original "West Bank" over Tel Aviv and Hertzliyya, every day,

Get over the "history" and get into the 21st century!

The same old zionist mantra 'It used to be ours' doesn't work!

Should EVERY country adopt the same mentality and take back what USED to be theirs?

I don't need to tell you where that would lead!

 

[Billo_Really]

My grandfather told my father when he was a boy, that when he joins the army, he should never let go of the land, do whatever he can to not lose the homeland, because the Arabs will make Auschwitz look like an Eden compared to what they had planned for us.

That grandfather of mine survived both world wars.

So don't bring our dead to discussion. We know what they would have thought and said.

Your grandfather was wrong and I stand by what I said.

The UN Charter, IHL, Nuremburg Principles, etc., were created as a direct result of the Holocaust and what the Axis Powers did in WWII. And the more disdain you have for those laws, the bigger the shit you take on Holocaust victims.

Those laws were designed to prevent another Holocaust. If you don't want to honor those laws, then you don't give a shit about the lives that were lost in the Holocaust.

Not only do you not want to honor IHL, you want to do the same thing the Nazis did during the 10 years leading up to the Final Solution. You are one sick individual.

 

[Billo_Really]

So now it's "Israel's Isolation" vs. "International acceptance", huh?

That's quite amusing.

No. It was never about isolation vs. acceptance. It's acceptence vs. annihilation. I'd rather be hated but alive, than a lovable corpse.

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME; you really need to drop this "annihilation" bullshit.

 

[Lipush]

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

Israel is now less willing to go down that road, taking to mind that Israelis are being murdered now each day, twice a day.

So now the terrotories as viewed as Israel's with for a greater Israel? Please tell me you see the irony of this. Judea and Samaria are the original lands of the Jews, they;re called JUDEA named after those who inhabited them. It's not 'greater' Israel, it's THE Israel. Many Jews would have prefered the original "West Bank" over Tel Aviv and Hertzliyya, every day,

Get over the "history" and get into the 21st century!

The same old zionist mantra 'It used to be ours' doesn't work!

Should EVERY country adopt the same mentality and take back what USED to be theirs?

"Palestine" used to be "Arab".

Now Israel is Jewish.

So using your argument, they should let it go and snap out of it

 

[Lipush]

My grandfather told my father when he was a boy, that when he joins the army, he should never let go of the land, do whatever he can to not lose the homeland, because the Arabs will make Auschwitz look like an Eden compared to what they had planned for us.

That grandfather of mine survived both world wars.

So don't bring our dead to discussion. We know what they would have thought and said.

Your grandfather was wrong and I stand by what I said.

The UN Charter, IHL, Nuremburg Principles, etc., were created as a direct result of the Holocaust and what the Axis Powers did in WWII. And the more disdain you have for those laws, the bigger the shit you take on Holocaust victims.

Those laws were designed to prevent another Holocaust. If you don't want to honor those laws, then you don't give a shit about the lives that were lost in the Holocaust.

Not only do you not want to honor IHL, you want to do the same thing the Nazis did during the 10 years leading up to the Final Solution. You are one sick individual.

One day you'll all realize not only are Israelis not sick, but we were right all along.

But we don't need the world's "ok" to live and exist.

And I don't need to be liked by you. Need I remind you, I'm not the one saying "fuck that baby" when Palestinian children die. I remember condemnding cases of bloodshed made by radicals among my people. Not once we heard you Anti-Zionists condemning ANY of the murdered by Palestinians, in the last Intifada of October.

So yeah, I'm the sick one.

 

[Lipush]

So now it's "Israel's Isolation" vs. "International acceptance", huh?

That's quite amusing.

No. It was never about isolation vs. acceptance. It's acceptence vs. annihilation. I'd rather be hated but alive, than a lovable corpse.

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME; you really need to drop this "annihilation" bullshit.

Myth.

But as long as the enemy believes that, we're in a good opening spot.

 

[Humanity]

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

Israel is now less willing to go down that road, taking to mind that Israelis are being murdered now each day, twice a day.

So now the terrotories as viewed as Israel's with for a greater Israel? Please tell me you see the irony of this. Judea and Samaria are the original lands of the Jews, they;re called JUDEA named after those who inhabited them. It's not 'greater' Israel, it's THE Israel. Many Jews would have prefered the original "West Bank" over Tel Aviv and Hertzliyya, every day,

Get over the "history" and get into the 21st century!

The same old zionist mantra 'It used to be ours' doesn't work!

Should EVERY country adopt the same mentality and take back what USED to be theirs?

"Palestine" used to be "Arab".

Now Israel is Jewish.

So using your argument, they should let it go and snap out of it

Hmm from memory of the recent creation of the State of Israel it has ALWAYS been Jewish... Or did I miss something?

Palestine is STILL Arab...

Though your beloved leaders would prefer something different!

 

[teddyearp]

I am getting a little tired of presenting fact.

Kind of lost me right there. IMHO you post half truths and cherry picked old documents that have since been superseded.

As far as what should happen, there's a ton of threads about it already, here is one:

The Palestine Solution

What's wrong? Didn't like how you got trumped in that one?

 

[Elvis Obama]

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

What I will never understand is why people who support the Palestinian cause believe them to be exactly the same as the Israelis. People like to refer to the Israelis as "European invaders". Good. That region needs a hell of a lot more European invaders. Europeans aren't better than Arabs, but European culture is better than Arab culture. It's not that one is perfect and the other is evil. It's just that America and the modern democracies which followed in our footsteps are better than the governments that preceded them.

Israel is such a government. Deeply flawed, as all government are, but different from the pathetic attempts at government that exist in the other countries of the Middle East. Despicable theocracies and autocracies. The Palestinians are the worst off, a fractured people without a government at all. How is this the fault of the Israelis? The Israelis can't bring the Palestinians into modernity. Only a leader from the Palestinians could do that, and only when the culture as a whole has progressed far enough to allow that to happen. As the failure of the Arab spring shows, the people of the region are not yet ready.

Does you fucked up logic apply to EVERY country?

Don't like someone's "culture" then it's ok to invade them?

Oh wait, isn't that American Foreign Policy!

Well then, European culture is far superior to American culture... Europeans better invade the US then!

Do you bring the same fucked up reading comprehension skills to EVERY post you read?

I said nothing about invasions or the justification of invasions.

Yes, Enlightenment philosophy and the systems of government derived from those principles are better than any other system of government. Far, far better than the worthless theocracies and autocracies which constitute all the governments of the Middle East, except for Israel.

We're all savages. Some of us are a little less savage. These small differences are not unimportant. In fact, there is nothing on this earth that's more important. These small differences are why we treat gay people better. Not perfectly, but better. It's why we treat women better. It's why we treat religious minorities better.

I repeat, I do not understand why people regard the Palestinians and the Israelis as exactly the same.

 

[Lipush]

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

Israel is now less willing to go down that road, taking to mind that Israelis are being murdered now each day, twice a day.

So now the terrotories as viewed as Israel's with for a greater Israel? Please tell me you see the irony of this. Judea and Samaria are the original lands of the Jews, they;re called JUDEA named after those who inhabited them. It's not 'greater' Israel, it's THE Israel. Many Jews would have prefered the original "West Bank" over Tel Aviv and Hertzliyya, every day,

Get over the "history" and get into the 21st century!

The same old zionist mantra 'It used to be ours' doesn't work!

Should EVERY country adopt the same mentality and take back what USED to be theirs?

"Palestine" used to be "Arab".

Now Israel is Jewish.

So using your argument, they should let it go and snap out of it

Hmm from memory of the recent creation of the State of Israel it has ALWAYS been Jewish... Or did I miss something?

Palestine is STILL Arab...

Though your beloved leaders would prefer something different!

That is why I wrote Palestine with a

to what *they* refer as 'Palestine'.

 

[Humanity]

So now it's "Israel's Isolation" vs. "International acceptance", huh?

That's quite amusing.

No. It was never about isolation vs. acceptance. It's acceptence vs. annihilation. I'd rather be hated but alive, than a lovable corpse.

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME; you really need to drop this "annihilation" bullshit.

Myth.

But as long as the enemy believes that, we're in a good opening spot.

What?

Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons?

Is that the myth?

 

[Humanity]

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

What I will never understand is why people who support the Palestinian cause believe them to be exactly the same as the Israelis. People like to refer to the Israelis as "European invaders". Good. That region needs a hell of a lot more European invaders. Europeans aren't better than Arabs, but European culture is better than Arab culture. It's not that one is perfect and the other is evil. It's just that America and the modern democracies which followed in our footsteps are better than the governments that preceded them.

Israel is such a government. Deeply flawed, as all government are, but different from the pathetic attempts at government that exist in the other countries of the Middle East. Despicable theocracies and autocracies. The Palestinians are the worst off, a fractured people without a government at all. How is this the fault of the Israelis? The Israelis can't bring the Palestinians into modernity. Only a leader from the Palestinians could do that, and only when the culture as a whole has progressed far enough to allow that to happen. As the failure of the Arab spring shows, the people of the region are not yet ready.

Does you fucked up logic apply to EVERY country?

Don't like someone's "culture" then it's ok to invade them?

Oh wait, isn't that American Foreign Policy!

Well then, European culture is far superior to American culture... Europeans better invade the US then!

Do you bring the same fucked up reading comprehension skills to EVERY post you read?

I said nothing about invasions or the justification of invasions.

Yes, Enlightenment philosophy and the systems of government derived from those principles are better than any other system of government. Far, far better than the worthless theocracies and autocracies which constitute all the governments of the Middle East, except for Israel.

We're all savages. Some of us are a little less savage. These small differences are not unimportant. In fact, there is nothing on this earth that's more important. These small differences are why we treat gay people better. Not perfectly, but better. It's why we treat women better. It's why we treat religious minorities better.

I repeat, I do not understand why people regard the Palestinians and the Israelis as exactly the same.

What? You didn't mention the word "invaders"?

Really?

You lie yet it is there for everyone to read?!

Not very smart are you!

 

[Lipush]

So now it's "Israel's Isolation" vs. "International acceptance", huh?

That's quite amusing.

No. It was never about isolation vs. acceptance. It's acceptence vs. annihilation. I'd rather be hated but alive, than a lovable corpse.

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME; you really need to drop this "annihilation" bullshit.

Myth.

But as long as the enemy believes that, we're in a good opening spot.

What?

Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons?

Is that the myth?

I don't know why I'm telling you this, since you won't believe it anyway, but the simple truth is, that your everyday Israeli civilian has no idea what kind of nukes Israel have, if it has any at all.

But the fact that the world believes we do, works in our favor.

The truth is unknown.

 

[Roudy]

Link?

You want me to provide you with a link proving Jews were killed by the Nazis during WWII?

You must have a really bad case of ADD.

No you 'etard, I want a link for your claim that "killing Jews was legal in Germany".

Here's your quote, big mouth with the little brain:

"I guess that lets Hitler off the hook?

Killing Jews was legal in his country."

 

[Humanity]

So now it's "Israel's Isolation" vs. "International acceptance", huh?

That's quite amusing.

No. It was never about isolation vs. acceptance. It's acceptence vs. annihilation. I'd rather be hated but alive, than a lovable corpse.

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME; you really need to drop this "annihilation" bullshit.

Myth.

But as long as the enemy believes that, we're in a good opening spot.

What?

Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons?

Is that the myth?

I don't know why I'm telling you this, since you won't believe it anyway, but the simple truth is, that your everyday Israeli civilian has no idea what kind of nukes Israel have, if it has any at all.

But the fact that the world believes we do, works in our favor.

The truth is unknown.

Oh I believe you Lipush...

No one knows 100% whether Israel has nukes...

However, I would bet more than a few shekels that there are a few nukes kicking around Israel!

 

[Lipush]

So now it's "Israel's Isolation" vs. "International acceptance", huh?

That's quite amusing.

No. It was never about isolation vs. acceptance. It's acceptence vs. annihilation. I'd rather be hated but alive, than a lovable corpse.

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME; you really need to drop this "annihilation" bullshit.

Myth.

But as long as the enemy believes that, we're in a good opening spot.

What?

Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons?

Is that the myth?

I don't know why I'm telling you this, since you won't believe it anyway, but the simple truth is, that your everyday Israeli civilian has no idea what kind of nukes Israel have, if it has any at all.

But the fact that the world believes we do, works in our favor.

The truth is unknown.

Oh I believe you Lipush...

No one knows 100% whether Israel has nukes...

However, I would bet more than a few shekels that there are a few nukes kicking around Israel!

Israel has one of the strongest armies in the Middle-East.

If Israel has such strategy, it'll be the last-last resort, anyway. We have young men and womem who will do anything to protect their homelands with their lives.

 

[Roudy]

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

Israel is now less willing to go down that road, taking to mind that Israelis are being murdered now each day, twice a day.

So now the terrotories as viewed as Israel's with for a greater Israel? Please tell me you see the irony of this. Judea and Samaria are the original lands of the Jews, they;re called JUDEA named after those who inhabited them. It's not 'greater' Israel, it's THE Israel. Many Jews would have prefered the original "West Bank" over Tel Aviv and Hertzliyya, every day,

Get over the "history" and get into the 21st century!

The same old zionist mantra 'It used to be ours' doesn't work!

Should EVERY country adopt the same mentality and take back what USED to be theirs?

I don't need to tell you where that would lead!

Stop having a hissyfit will ya? The title of this thread is "what do neo-Zionists believe will happen" and it looks like the Pali Nazi club is very upset when they hear the answer, because it's already happening on the ground.

 

[Humanity]

Israel has one of the strongest armies in the Middle-East.

Yes indeed, which makes the "security" excuses for illegally occupying territory nonsense!

If Israel has such strategy, it'll be the last-last resort, anyway. We have young men and womem who will do anything to protect their homelands with their lives.

Well, I think we are all aware of the Samson Option...

Last resort indeed!