What do the neo-Zionists believe will happen?

[theliq]

It's unfortunate that you choose to present some worthwhile questions in such an inflammatory manner.

Zionist is a term that makes no sense in a modern context. Neo-Zionist makes even less sense. I acknowledge that there are anti-Zionists, people who have never recognized Israel's right to exist and who would dance with joy if it were destroyed.

What I hope will happen is simple. The two sides negotiate in good faith and share their worthless slices of desert in peace and tranquility. What will happen? Nothing. There's nothing to happen. Settlements are irrelevant. Israel has shown its willingness to dismantle settlements. What good did it do? They've shown a willingness to cede land. What good did it do?

So they've settled into a strategy of kicking butt and dividing their enemy to weaken them. Meanwhile, the demographic time-bomb keeps ticking away, so the status quo cannot possibly be maintained for too long.

Zionism is more relevant today than it has ever been........and is very much a term to be acknowledged today in a very real sense.....this organization who have a history of Terrorism of the worst kind,today have managed to convince some Jews that they are the natural bearers of Judaism,they have managed to entwine themselves in giving people the idea that THEY are the purveyors of all things Jewish........They Are Not.......The Ultra Jews,the Secular Jews detest them...............The world has witnessed their behaviour over the decades and clearly realize what type of organization they are......they always spout like you "The Anti-Semitic/Zionist" cry but this is merely a diversion to create Guilt in others for them to not criticise them.....the Zionists,you can pretend Zionism means nothing when in fact they have such a terrorist past and collaboration with the Nazis,to mention just a couple.

Your treatment of the Palestinians is a shame and guilt you carry...................I do not use inflammatory statements at all,but just the truth and facts.

I have always believed in a Free and Peaceful Palestine and Israel and could Never be accused of anything else,unlike most Jews and pro-Jews on here,who's statements on here are more often Rabid and Uncouth towards the very fine Palestinians......unlike the Zionists who wish a Jewish Holy Land Only.Your hypocricy sic above is Banal and Boorish to say the least.

Your last statement is the most telling "So they have decided on a STRATEGY OF KICKING BUTT AND DIVIDING THE ENEMY TO WEAKEN THEM"

The sad thing is Elvis...........This is nothing New to the Palestinians because "THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE PAST 70 ODD YEARS"

So much for your indignity......the only people who have been denied DIGNITY,CONSIDERATION,PEACE ECT., ARE THE Palestinians

Now I am going to be a little Inflammatory.....MORONS LIKE YOU,ARE DISTASTEFUL TO ME,YOUR SLYNESS AND SLEEZE,YOUR OPEN SHAMEFULNESS IS DISGUSTING,YOUR CRY OF ANTI-ZIONISM IS PATHETIC....YOU ARE A BAD JEW amongst many fine Jewish people.steve...ps Go get a normal Life

Wow, what a shame! I really like you!

I'm not sure what I did to get kicked out of the Nice Jews Club, but will I at least get a rebate on my dues?

A little inflammatory? I don't want to see an example of you being a lot inflammatory.

I think someone else is posting for Steve at the moment.
Or he's had a REALLY bad weekend.

I am theliqs alter-ego Indie.............And tend to be a nasty piece of work

I would appreciate you providing specific places and times where all this abuse is taking place.

Theliq would know that you would know already.......he's a busy Man,he can't be pissing around with people like you all the time,

 

[Indeependent]

Zionism is more relevant today than it has ever been........and is very much a term to be acknowledged today in a very real sense.....this organization who have a history of Terrorism of the worst kind,today have managed to convince some Jews that they are the natural bearers of Judaism,they have managed to entwine themselves in giving people the idea that THEY are the purveyors of all things Jewish........They Are Not.......The Ultra Jews,the Secular Jews detest them...............The world has witnessed their behaviour over the decades and clearly realize what type of organization they are......they always spout like you "The Anti-Semitic/Zionist" cry but this is merely a diversion to create Guilt in others for them to not criticise them.....the Zionists,you can pretend Zionism means nothing when in fact they have such a terrorist past and collaboration with the Nazis,to mention just a couple.

Your treatment of the Palestinians is a shame and guilt you carry...................I do not use inflammatory statements at all,but just the truth and facts.

I have always believed in a Free and Peaceful Palestine and Israel and could Never be accused of anything else,unlike most Jews and pro-Jews on here,who's statements on here are more often Rabid and Uncouth towards the very fine Palestinians......unlike the Zionists who wish a Jewish Holy Land Only.Your hypocricy sic above is Banal and Boorish to say the least.

Your last statement is the most telling "So they have decided on a STRATEGY OF KICKING BUTT AND DIVIDING THE ENEMY TO WEAKEN THEM"

The sad thing is Elvis...........This is nothing New to the Palestinians because "THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE PAST 70 ODD YEARS"

So much for your indignity......the only people who have been denied DIGNITY,CONSIDERATION,PEACE ECT., ARE THE Palestinians

Now I am going to be a little Inflammatory.....MORONS LIKE YOU,ARE DISTASTEFUL TO ME,YOUR SLYNESS AND SLEEZE,YOUR OPEN SHAMEFULNESS IS DISGUSTING,YOUR CRY OF ANTI-ZIONISM IS PATHETIC....YOU ARE A BAD JEW amongst many fine Jewish people.steve...ps Go get a normal Life

Wow, what a shame! I really like you!

I'm not sure what I did to get kicked out of the Nice Jews Club, but will I at least get a rebate on my dues?

A little inflammatory? I don't want to see an example of you being a lot inflammatory.

I think someone else is posting for Steve at the moment.
Or he's had a REALLY bad weekend.

I am theliqs alter-ego Indie.............And tend to be a nasty piece of work

I would appreciate you providing specific places and times where all this abuse is taking place.

Theliq would know that you would know already.......he's a busy Man,he can't be pissing around with people like you all the time,

Who else can he piss around with?
And no, I don't know where all of this abuse is happening and when.
And if YOU can't tell me I know you're just parroting bullsh!t you've been fed by some other idiot.

So, I request of you once again...
Please provide specific places and times where all this abuse is taking place.

 

[Humanity]

No, the international community believes that the Israeli government is the one acting illegal letting the Jews settle in there.

Drop all the subsidies the government is giving these Israeli insurgents and your statement will become true.

The settlers themselves are not illegal, they're obeying the law of their land. you need to realize the huge difference there.

You need to realize that's not Israeli land and they can't transfer a part of their population into that area. You say they're not. Okay, they're still guilty, because they're not stopping it either.

Now write this down, because I'm getting sick of repeating myself. And seek help for this selective ADD you keep having. Ready?

The settlers are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention

ARTICLE 49
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.​

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

 

[Lipush]

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

It's an international law that your government has ratified, thus making it your law, if you're part of the population of Israel.

The law of the government, not the individuals

 

[Lipush]

I am getting a little tired of presenting fact. I am now curious to understand what our resident Zionists believe will happen, or hope will happen, in the territory now controlled by Jews in Israel, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.

Do they believe that Jews will be able to rule over all the Gentiles now under their control indefinitely?

Do they believe that they will be able to disengage from Gaza and rule over the rest of the Gentiles indefinitely?

Do they believe that they will be able to evict, or otherwise eliminate, all the Gentiles now under their control and rule an exclusively Jewish population indefinitely.

Any other solution.

It's unfortunate that you choose to present some worthwhile questions in such an inflammatory manner.

Zionist is a term that makes no sense in a modern context. Neo-Zionist makes even less sense. I acknowledge that there are anti-Zionists, people who have never recognized Israel's right to exist and who would dance with joy if it were destroyed.

What I hope will happen is simple. The two sides negotiate in good faith and share their worthless slices of desert in peace and tranquility. What will happen? Nothing. There's nothing to happen. Settlements are irrelevant. Israel has shown its willingness to dismantle settlements. What good did it do? They've shown a willingness to cede land. What good did it do?

So they've settled into a strategy of kicking butt and dividing their enemy to weaken them. Meanwhile, the demographic time-bomb keeps ticking away, so the status quo cannot possibly be maintained for too long.

Zionism is more relevant today than it has ever been........and is very much a term to be acknowledged today in a very real sense.....this organization who have a history of Terrorism of the worst kind,today have managed to convince some Jews that they are the natural bearers of Judaism,they have managed to entwine themselves in giving people the idea that THEY are the purveyors of all things Jewish........They Are Not.......The Ultra Jews,the Secular Jews detest them...............The world has witnessed their behaviour over the decades and clearly realize what type of organization they are......they always spout like you "The Anti-Semitic/Zionist" cry but this is merely a diversion to create Guilt in others for them to not criticise them.....the Zionists,you can pretend Zionism means nothing when in fact they have such a terrorist past and collaboration with the Nazis,to mention just a couple.

Your treatment of the Palestinians is a shame and guilt you carry...................I do not use inflammatory statements at all,but just the truth and facts.

I have always believed in a Free and Peaceful Palestine and Israel and could Never be accused of anything else,unlike most Jews and pro-Jews on here,who's statements on here are more often Rabid and Uncouth towards the very fine Palestinians......unlike the Zionists who wish a Jewish Holy Land Only.Your hypocricy sic above is Banal and Boorish to say the least.

Your last statement is the most telling "So they have decided on a STRATEGY OF KICKING BUTT AND DIVIDING THE ENEMY TO WEAKEN THEM"

The sad thing is Elvis...........This is nothing New to the Palestinians because "THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE PAST 70 ODD YEARS"

So much for your indignity......the only people who have been denied DIGNITY,CONSIDERATION,PEACE ECT., ARE THE Palestinians

Now I am going to be a little Inflammatory.....MORONS LIKE YOU,ARE DISTASTEFUL TO ME,YOUR SLYNESS AND SLEEZE,YOUR OPEN SHAMEFULNESS IS DISGUSTING,YOUR CRY OF ANTI-ZIONISM IS PATHETIC....YOU ARE A BAD JEW amongst many fine Jewish people.steve...ps Go get a normal Life

My relatives and friends in Israel say you are gullible...not to mention heinous.

What else could they say to protect their HIDEOUS HEINOUS ZIONISTS that they are themselves??? tell them,that I will take their Zionist Terrorist comments as a Compliment,..........The further away from Zionism I am the better for me and mankind,again thanks for your purile post..steve..ps are they somewhat sensitive reading the truth,truth is not gullibility,listening to Zionist Bullshit is though......keep trying Indie,your prose always ends up in flames because only I speak it truth.

Viva Israel...Viva Palestine..........................BUT say NO TO ZIONISM

You call "Viva Israel" but death to Zionism. You're are a fucking joke. That's like calling "Viva human life" but with no heart and no lungs.

 

[Lipush]

No, the international community believes that the Israeli government is the one acting illegal letting the Jews settle in there.

Drop all the subsidies the government is giving these Israeli insurgents and your statement will become true.

The settlers themselves are not illegal, they're obeying the law of their land. you need to realize the huge difference there.

You need to realize that's not Israeli land and they can't transfer a part of their population into that area. You say they're not. Okay, they're still guilty, because they're not stopping it either.

Now write this down, because I'm getting sick of repeating myself. And seek help for this selective ADD you keep having. Ready?

The settlers are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention

ARTICLE 49
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.​

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

 

[Billo_Really]

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

I guess that lets Hitler off the hook?

Killing Jews was legal in his country.

 

[Humanity]

No, the international community believes that the Israeli government is the one acting illegal letting the Jews settle in there.

Drop all the subsidies the government is giving these Israeli insurgents and your statement will become true.

The settlers themselves are not illegal, they're obeying the law of their land. you need to realize the huge difference there.

You need to realize that's not Israeli land and they can't transfer a part of their population into that area. You say they're not. Okay, they're still guilty, because they're not stopping it either.

Now write this down, because I'm getting sick of repeating myself. And seek help for this selective ADD you keep having. Ready?

The settlers are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention

ARTICLE 49
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.​

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

 

[Roudy]

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

I guess that lets Hitler off the hook?

Killing Jews was legal in his country.

Link?

 

[Lipush]

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

I guess that lets Hitler off the hook?

Killing Jews was legal in his country.

It's not a matter of it being legal. In times of Hitler Germany hardly had any laws at all. So it's not a good comparison.

 

[Lipush]

No, the international community believes that the Israeli government is the one acting illegal letting the Jews settle in there.

Drop all the subsidies the government is giving these Israeli insurgents and your statement will become true.

The settlers themselves are not illegal, they're obeying the law of their land. you need to realize the huge difference there.

You need to realize that's not Israeli land and they can't transfer a part of their population into that area. You say they're not. Okay, they're still guilty, because they're not stopping it either.

Now write this down, because I'm getting sick of repeating myself. And seek help for this selective ADD you keep having. Ready?

The settlers are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention

ARTICLE 49
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.​

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

 

[Humanity]

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

I guess that lets Hitler off the hook?

Killing Jews was legal in his country.

It's not a matter of it being legal. In times of Hitler Germany hardly had any laws at all. So it's not a good comparison.

As you have already said, you ain't Einstein!

Your zionist upbringing has clouded your knowledge of Hitler's germany...

I am no fan of Hitler, far from it, but 'Hitler's Germany' was incredibly lawful, incredibly advanced...

Is it a "good comparison"?

Likely not, but you do need to consider whether Israeli isolation is better than international acceptance... It matters not whether you understand 'international law' or not, what matters is that there EXISTS international law...

For Israel to ignore these laws is arrogant and foolhardy...

 

[Humanity]

Drop all the subsidies the government is giving these Israeli insurgents and your statement will become true.


You need to realize that's not Israeli land and they can't transfer a part of their population into that area. You say they're not. Okay, they're still guilty, because they're not stopping it either.

Now write this down, because I'm getting sick of repeating myself. And seek help for this selective ADD you keep having. Ready?

The settlers are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention

ARTICLE 49
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.​

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

 

[ForeverYoung436]

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

You seem genuine and sincere, Humanity. Not like others here, who don't do a very good job of masking their intense hatred of Jews.

 

[Billo_Really]

It's not a matter of it being legal. In times of Hitler Germany hardly had any laws at all. So it's not a good comparison.

Actually, there isn't a better comparison out there. Because these international laws that you eschew with glee, were created, in part, to prevent another Holocaust.

So you just took a big shit on the souls who lost their lives during that period.

Because of people like you, their deaths are now in vain.

 

[Billo_Really]

You seem genuine and sincere, Humanity. Not like others here, who don't do a very good job of masking their intense hatred of Jews.

Why would I hate Jews?

They haven't done anything to me.

 

[Billo_Really]

Link?

You want me to provide you with a link proving Jews were killed by the Nazis during WWII?

You must have a really bad case of ADD.

 

[Elvis Obama]

To be guilty of disobeying the law, you have to belong to the population to which the law is addressing.

I'm no Einstein, but I can follow that simple logic yet.

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

What I will never understand is why people who support the Palestinian cause believe them to be exactly the same as the Israelis. People like to refer to the Israelis as "European invaders". Good. That region needs a hell of a lot more European invaders. Europeans aren't better than Arabs, but European culture is better than Arab culture. It's not that one is perfect and the other is evil. It's just that America and the modern democracies which followed in our footsteps are better than the governments that preceded them.

Israel is such a government. Deeply flawed, as all government are, but different from the pathetic attempts at government that exist in the other countries of the Middle East. Despicable theocracies and autocracies. The Palestinians are the worst off, a fractured people without a government at all. How is this the fault of the Israelis? The Israelis can't bring the Palestinians into modernity. Only a leader from the Palestinians could do that, and only when the culture as a whole has progressed far enough to allow that to happen. As the failure of the Arab spring shows, the people of the region are not yet ready.

 

[Humanity]

You got that right, you are no Einstein!

Disobeying a law is disobeying a law... What the hell does "belong to the population" have to do with it?

It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

How does your state law apply in illegally occupied territory? It ain't your state to apply ANY law!

But hey, that's just Israeli arrogance... 'Poor persecuted Jews' allowed to do whatever the fuck they want then screaming 'anti-semite' should anyone point out the obvious!

Hopefully THAT is simple enough for you!

The state well applies to them, because the population holds citizenship and blue ID. Those who hold blue ID and citizenship are Israelis and the state views them as inside it's borders.

International law doesn't apply here, since the settlers are individuals.

And Anti-semitism is part of the problem, but not all of it. The real problem is the thinking that the Palestinians are allowed to massacre anyone they want any time they want, since they live under 'occupation'. And the irony of this situation is that, those who believe Palestinians have the right to kill babies, mothers, elders, are the same ones waving the flag of "Human Rights".

Remember how 'individuals' were highlighted by 'ID' tags in Germany? I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...

Illegally occupied territory does NOT fall into Israel's borders, Ii's not Israeli territory!... Unless you are the Israeli government of course... And let's not forget it is ONLY Israel that considers this...

Like it or not "International Law" DOES apply here...

Trucking down the road of whether Palestinians have the right to commit murder waving the flag of "human rights" is not relevant... Though I must say that you are now mixing your own argument between "individuals" and "state"...

Long live Israel... I strongly believe in Israel... A 'homeland' for Jews... We ALL deserve a 'homeland'...

What I don't believe in expansionist Israel, I don't believe in the 'Greater Israel'...

Live in Israel, live in peace... Accept that "International Law" exists and that Israel is in breach of these laws..

Stop the oppression of Palestinian "individuals"...

I support the demise, as soon as possible please, of Hamas and a search for a road for peace...

My concern is that Israel is not willing to search for that road... I care not about historical attempts, I care about the future attempts!

What I will never understand is why people who support the Palestinian cause believe them to be exactly the same as the Israelis. People like to refer to the Israelis as "European invaders". Good. That region needs a hell of a lot more European invaders. Europeans aren't better than Arabs, but European culture is better than Arab culture. It's not that one is perfect and the other is evil. It's just that America and the modern democracies which followed in our footsteps are better than the governments that preceded them.

Israel is such a government. Deeply flawed, as all government are, but different from the pathetic attempts at government that exist in the other countries of the Middle East. Despicable theocracies and autocracies. The Palestinians are the worst off, a fractured people without a government at all. How is this the fault of the Israelis? The Israelis can't bring the Palestinians into modernity. Only a leader from the Palestinians could do that, and only when the culture as a whole has progressed far enough to allow that to happen. As the failure of the Arab spring shows, the people of the region are not yet ready.

Does you fucked up logic apply to EVERY country?

Don't like someone's "culture" then it's ok to invade them?

Oh wait, isn't that American Foreign Policy!

Well then, European culture is far superior to American culture... Europeans better invade the US then!

 

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It means that I, as and Israeli, must obey the Israeli law. I don't know what "international law" is and I don't give a shit. If my state laws are allowing me to do something, and it's not illegal in the Israeli law, then while doing it I don't do anything ILLEGAL.

Is that simple enough for you?

I guess that lets Hitler off the hook?

Killing Jews was legal in his country.

It's not a matter of it being legal. In times of Hitler Germany hardly had any laws at all. So it's not a good comparison.

As you have already said, you ain't Einstein!

Your zionist upbringing has clouded your knowledge of Hitler's germany...

I am no fan of Hitler, far from it, but 'Hitler's Germany' was incredibly lawful, incredibly advanced...

Is it a "good comparison"?

Likely not, but you do need to consider whether Israeli isolation is better than international acceptance... It matters not whether you understand 'international law' or not, what matters is that there EXISTS international law...

For Israel to ignore these laws is arrogant and foolhardy...

So now it's "Israel's Isolation" vs. "International acceptance", huh?

That's quite amusing.

No. It was never about isolation vs. acceptance. It's acceptence vs. annihilation. I'd rather be hated but alive, than a lovable corpse.