What do normal people - think of Israel?
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docmauser1
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Students tend to make rash judgements after geting electrocuted, indeed.
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It means that Israel steals passports but not all countries do so. It is assumed that the US will steal passports.
Let's not expect logic and sanity.
That's okay, just rationalise it away.
RoccoR
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Billo_Really, SHAAM, et al,
It is always good that some truth be placed inside the propaganda. It is a very good strategy.
There is some obvious truth here, in the previous commentary; and there is some unspoken truth missing:
It is fundamental that the UN Charter, Article 2(3) and (4), gives priority to the peaceful settlement of disputes and the non-use of force. Article 2(4) barring the threat or use of force has been described by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) as a peremptory norm of international law, from which states cannot cause to seem inferior or impair.
One such "half-truth" is the statement that presents the illegality of settlements under Article 49 (GCIV) and Article 8(2b)(viii), wherein the "transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies" is prohibited. While truthful, it totally ignores the Oslo Accords and the fact that the issue is subject to the permanent status negotiations; and that the Settlement of Differences and Disputes between the Israeli and Palestinians on the matter of settlements are subject to the peaceful dispute resolution protocols in outlined in Chapter 3, Article XXI, of Oslo II.
Most Respectfully,
R
It is always good that some truth be placed inside the propaganda. It is a very good strategy.
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There is some obvious truth here, in the previous commentary; and there is some unspoken truth missing:
- Under the UN Charter, there are only two circumstances in which the use of force is permissible:
- In collective or individual self-defense against an actual or imminent armed attack; and
- When the Security Council has directed or authorized use of force to maintain or restore international peace and security.
- And it is now considered customary international law that:
- prohibits the acquisition of territory by the use of force;
- prohibits the Occupying Power from changing the status of territory occupation, either directly through annexation or indirectly through colonization;
- requires the Occupying Power to recognize and protect the rights of the indigenous population; and
- requires all States to refrain from recognizing the illegal situation on the ground.
It is fundamental that the UN Charter, Article 2(3) and (4), gives priority to the peaceful settlement of disputes and the non-use of force. Article 2(4) barring the threat or use of force has been described by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) as a peremptory norm of international law, from which states cannot cause to seem inferior or impair.
Bearing in mind also the paramount importance of the Charter of the United Nations in the promotion of the rule of law among nations,
Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
Having considered the principles of international law relating to friendly relations and co-operation among States,
Solemnly proclaims the following principles:
Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
Having considered the principles of international law relating to friendly relations and co-operation among States,
The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations
Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
- The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
- The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered,
- The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
One such "half-truth" is the statement that presents the illegality of settlements under Article 49 (GCIV) and Article 8(2b)(viii), wherein the "transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies" is prohibited. While truthful, it totally ignores the Oslo Accords and the fact that the issue is subject to the permanent status negotiations; and that the Settlement of Differences and Disputes between the Israeli and Palestinians on the matter of settlements are subject to the peaceful dispute resolution protocols in outlined in Chapter 3, Article XXI, of Oslo II.
Most Respectfully,
R
Not all nations steal passports (from allies!) in order to facilitate their assassination attempts. After they've said they won't!
How do you know the Israeli government is lying? Its lips are moving.
How do you know the Israeli government is lying? Its lips are moving.
- In 1973, Mossad agents killed a waiter in Norway in the mistaken belief that he was a senior operative for Black September. The use of false Canadian passports by the killers prompted a diplomatic crisis in relations between Canada and Israel, resulting in a commitment by Israel not to misuse Canadian passports in the future. It also resulted in a redesign of the Canadian passport to improve its security features.[42]
- In 1997, Israeli secret service personnel again botched an assassination bid while using 'Canadian passports'. The attempt against Khaled Mashal in Jordan resulted in the arrest of the would-be killers. The Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axworthy eventually received an apology and a written assurance that Mossad would desist from using Canadian passports.[43]
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RoccoR
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Mindful, et al,
Godwin's Law (AKA: playing the Hitler card) is a 1990's internet term that describes inappropriate comparisons to events, actions or conditions with a Nazis comparison!
Sometimes it creates a false association and sometimes it is an internet tool to express an ad hominem attack.
Most Respectfully,
R
Godwin's Law (AKA: playing the Hitler card) is a 1990's internet term that describes inappropriate comparisons to events, actions or conditions with a Nazis comparison!
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Sometimes it creates a false association and sometimes it is an internet tool to express an ad hominem attack.
Most Respectfully,
R
With all that's going on in the world - and with all the vastly more important and severe things that have unfolded in connection with Gaza War II, etc. - this ancient history lesson is comical, virtually pointless, uninteresting, and hardly relevant to the broader discussion, in a present-day context.
Remember we are talking about what normal people think of Israel. That it steals things and cannot be trusted to hold to its promises are things normal people think of Israel. I've merely presented evidence to show such thoughts are not baseless.
So now
apartheid,
thieving,
war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
is the list of things normal people think of Israel.
So now
apartheid,
thieving,
war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
is the list of things normal people think of Israel.
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Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
It doesn't say that at all. Godwin's Law merely deals with the chances of a comparison occurring, it has nothing to do about whether the comparison is valid or not.
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
So you're saying Hitler never went into Poland?
Because the comparison is a valid one. Godwin's Law doesn't deal with that. Because of what Hitler did in WWII, holding onto land seized in a war, is now illegal. That's why Israel will never own the West Bank and its only option is to leave.
If you don't believe me, then why after almost a half century, not one country on the planet recognizes Israel's right to that land?
You really didn't read those articles, did you? When Israel gets rid of the terrorist scum who are murdering their Palestinian opponents then there will be peace...with Peaceful Pals. That is my hope; has been for years. But Arafat murdered that hope, and now hamas is doing the same.
Greg
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
The reason for all the violence, is the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade. End those and you'll have peace. Don't end them, it's only a matter of time before the world community gets sick of this shit and ends them for you, just like it did in WWII.
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