What do normal people - think of Israel?

[gtopa1]

Never yet seen you post anything to do with Israeli Foreign policy,

You only see what you want to see. You are the biggest liar at this website.

but have seen plenty of Jew Hatred, Anti Semitism and Nazi White Supremacism. And your hatred has nothing to do with religion, just your hatred of all things Jewish

Why would I hate Jews?

Not only is that a question you can't answer, it is a question you don't have the balls to answer!

Because you're an irrational bigot. You're sore at losing the Cold war. You hate America and anything or anyone America supports. You love terrorists who target women and children. You think pogroms are too good for them and that the nazis had the right idea. Take your pick!! You're the wacko!!

Greg

 

[Phoenall]

It is strange that some hamas useful idiots still try and point to separate roads. Sigh.

He wrote that, "a sweeping 74% majority is in favour of separate roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank". But the sentence that follows needs to be noted: 24% believed separate roads were "a good situation" and 54% believed they were "a necessary situation". Decoded, this gets to the heart of the issue of the separate roads which Israel has built for some settlements. Critics say this is apartheid. But as the 54% indicate, they see it as a security issue; that is, it is the (expensive and extravagant) way to counter drive-by and roadside shootings which have killed many settlers. Nor (and this is little understood) are the roads only for Jews: the cars allowed on it are those with Israeli black and yellow number plates, irrespective of whether the driver is an Israeli Jew or Arab; the barred cars are those with Palestinian green and white plates.

Israel has moved to the right but it is not an apartheid state Benjamin Pogrund Comment is free The Guardian

Maybe the Jews could just put up with being murdered like good Jews should?? Neveragain!!!

Greg

You don't consider yourself an Israeli useful idiot?

Israeli insurgents living in illegal settlements are legal targets.

How about Jewish landowners living on Jewish owned land stolen from them in 1948/1949 by the Palestinians. Or do you believe the Jews don't have any legal rights to the land they owned in the west bank, just like your hero's in Germany did.

 

[gtopa1]

The operative word is "supposed". Israel has the right under UN Resolution 242.

According to one of the framers of the Resolution:

Eugene W. Rostow, JD, former US Undersecretary of State for political affairs, in an Oct. 21, 1991 New Republic commentary titled "Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies," wrote:
"Resolution 242, which as undersecretary of state for political affairs between 1966 and 1969 I helped produce, calls on the parties to make peace and allows Israel to administer the territories it occupied in 1967 until 'a just and lasting peace in the Middle East' is achieved. When such a peace is made, Israel is required to withdraw its armed forces 'from territories' it occupied during the Six-Day War--not from 'the' territories nor from 'all' the territories, but from some of the territories, which included the Sinai Desert, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip."

Articles by the Late Eugene W. Rostow

Greg

Unfortunately, 242 doesn't say that. It doesn't say anything about "staying there until" a peace can be negotiated. It does say the Israeli's need to get the hell off that land ("cease all claims of state belligerency"). And it definitely doesn't allow the Israeli's to transfer a portion of their population to the territories they occupy. That would go against the entire spirit of IHL.

The settlements are illegal. Period. So are the apartheid roads and the Israeli insurgents living there. This is the position of the entire world and it has been this way for the last half-century. You would think after 50 years, you'd catch the ******* clue, this is not Israeli land and it never will be, Israeli land.

You haven't read the Rostow articles, have you you ignorant blimp!!

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The Jewish right of settlement in the West Bank is conferred by the same provisions of the Mandate under which Jews settled in Haifa, Tel Aviv, and Jerusalem before the State of Israel was created. The Mandate for Palestine differs in one important respect from the other League of Nations mandates, which were trusts for the benefit of the indigenous population. The Palestine Mandate, recognizing "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country," is dedicated to "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonjewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."


The Mandate qualifies the Jewish right of settlement and political development in Palestine in only one respect. Article 25 gave Great Britain and the League Council discretion to "postpone" or "withhold" the Jewish people's right of settlement in the TransJordanian province of Palestine-now the Kingdom of Jordan-if they decided that local conditions made such action desirable."

Why do you hate Israeli Arabs so much!!!??

Greg

 

[Phoenall]

The operative word is "supposed". Israel has the right under UN Resolution 242.

According to one of the framers of the Resolution:

Eugene W. Rostow, JD, former US Undersecretary of State for political affairs, in an Oct. 21, 1991 New Republic commentary titled "Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies," wrote:
"Resolution 242, which as undersecretary of state for political affairs between 1966 and 1969 I helped produce, calls on the parties to make peace and allows Israel to administer the territories it occupied in 1967 until 'a just and lasting peace in the Middle East' is achieved. When such a peace is made, Israel is required to withdraw its armed forces 'from territories' it occupied during the Six-Day War--not from 'the' territories nor from 'all' the territories, but from some of the territories, which included the Sinai Desert, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip."

Articles by the Late Eugene W. Rostow

Greg

Unfortunately, 242 doesn't say that. It doesn't say anything about "staying there until" a peace can be negotiated. It does say the Israeli's need to get the hell off that land ("cease all claims of state belligerency"). And it definitely doesn't allow the Israeli's to transfer a portion of their population to the territories they occupy. That would go against the entire spirit of IHL.

The settlements are illegal. Period. So are the apartheid roads and the Israeli insurgents living there. This is the position of the entire world and it has been this way for the last half-century. You would think after 50 years, you'd catch the ******* clue, this is not Israeli land and it never will be, Israeli land.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the documents that go with 242 explaining what each section means do say that, and so that is what 242 says. The authors knew that it would be contentious in the extreme so they wrote an explanation of the draft 242 so that there would be no mistakes made. And still ISLAMONAZI morons make the same mistakes about the wording and meaning of 242

 

[Phoenall]

Sha'alu Shalom Yerushaliyim.

I just want there to be a day where Israel is no longer the hotbed of any conflict but a divine nation, where Jews of all backgrounds turn to Judaism and lead their lives with the spirit of HaShem (Baruch Adonai), achieving genuine peace and helping repair this broken world (tikkun olam) we dwell in.

There is no peace, because the Israeli right will not allow peace.

COWFLOP It is the cowards in Palestine that will not allow peace, they have learnt their lessons well from all the muslim leaders assassinated for making deals with Israel

 

[gtopa1]

Bile-o-Really:

Continued: "
With the divided support of the council, the British took that step in 1922. The Mandate does not, however, permit even a temporary suspension of the Jewish right of settlement in the parts of the Mandate west of the Jordan River.


The Armistice Lines of 1949, which are part of the West Bank boundary, represent nothing but the position of the contending armies when the final cease-fire was achieved in the War of Independence. And the Armistice Agreements specifically provide, except in the case of Lebanon, that the demarcation lines can be changed by agreement when the parties move from armistice to peace. Resolution 242 is based on that provision of the Armistice Agreements and states certain criteria that would justify changes in the demarcation lines when the parties make peace. Many believe that the Palestine Mandate was somehow terminated in 1947, when the British government resigned as the mandatory power. This is incorrect. A trust never terminates when a trustee dies, resigns, embezzles the trust property, or is dismissed. The authority responsible for the trust appoints a new trustee, or otherwise arranges for the fulfillment of its purpose."

In short....take your Hamas missiles and shove where the sun don't shine!!

Greg

 

[Phoenall]

Never yet seen you post anything to do with Israeli Foreign policy,

You only see what you want to see. You are the biggest liar at this website.

but have seen plenty of Jew Hatred, Anti Semitism and Nazi White Supremacism. And your hatred has nothing to do with religion, just your hatred of all things Jewish

Why would I hate Jews?

Not only is that a question you can't answer, it is a question you don't have the balls to answer!

Maybe all the Jewish girls turned you down when you asked them out, or was it the Jewish bank manager that told you your deade cert was not good enough to give you a loan. Or is it just your culture and upbringing that beat the Jew Hatred into you.

So there is your answer and I do have the balls to answer you. As for your claims of posting about Israeli foreign policy, you only ever make post's about Jews doing wrong and being hateful towards them.

 

[Phoenall]

And your evidence of all these "crimes" come from where exactly ?

Why do you ask questions when you know as soon as you get an answer, you're just gonna trash whatever source is used?

Seeing if team Palestine can come up with a genuine link that shows that Israel has been convicted of war crimes, or at the very least have been accused by the ICC/ICJ of war crimes

 

[cnm]

...1. Passports. Do you say Israel does not steal other nations' passports in order to facilitate its covert operations?

Do you seriously expect any of your opposites to fall for this set-em-up-and-knock-em-down factory-floor -caliber Minutiae Mangling Fest?

You seem to be operating under the faulty impression that (a) anybody really gives a frog's fat behind about passport theft in connection with espionage, and (b) that Israel is the only one to do that, when, in truth, it is far more likely to speculate that every intelligence service on the face of the planet, worth its salt, does that very same thing. Dog bites man.

So I take it that's agreement Israel steals other nations' passports to facilitate its own covert operations. Why then did you post it was bullshit that normal people thought so? Why not just agree it is the case? Can the truth hurt so much?

 

[Kondor3]

...1. Passports. Do you say Israel does not steal other nations' passports in order to facilitate its covert operations?

Do you seriously expect any of your opposites to fall for this set-em-up-and-knock-em-down factory-floor -caliber Minutiae Mangling Fest?

You seem to be operating under the faulty impression that (a) anybody really gives a frog's fat behind about passport theft in connection with espionage, and (b) that Israel is the only one to do that, when, in truth, it is far more likely to speculate that every intelligence service on the face of the planet, worth its salt, does that very same thing. Dog bites man.

So I take it that's agreement Israel steals other nations' passports to facilitate its own covert operations. Why then did you post it was bullshit that normal people thought so? Why not just agree it is the case? Can the truth hurt so much?

The 'Bullshit' bomb had nothing to do with particulars and minutiae, and everything to do with the pattern of assault against Israel, attempting to portray it as somehow worse than other nations, most of whom do the same damned things. That is the nature and the scent of that particular brand of Bullshit - the errant singling-out - not the minutiae.

And it is the inability to sense that macro-level application (or intentionally ignoring or attempting - and failing - to mask it) which raises eyebrows the highest.

You need to crank your game up a notch.

 

[cnm]

Seeing if team Palestine can come up with a genuine link that shows that Israel has been convicted of war crimes, or at the very least have been accused by the ICC/ICJ of war crimes

Hilarious. Israel has said it does not intend to be a state party to the Treaty of Rome.

But in any case this thread is about what normal people think of Israel. All the evidence is that normal people think Israel is a rogue state.

 

[cnm]

The 'Bullshit' bomb had nothing to do with particulars and minutiae, and everything to do with the pattern of assault against Israel, attempting to portray it as somehow worse than other nations, most of whom do the same damned things. That is the nature and the scent of that particular brand of Bullshit - the errant singling-out - not the minutiae. And it is the inability to sense that macro-level application (or intentionally ignoring or attempting to mask it) which raises eyebrows the highest.

So the truth cannot be admitted because we are in search of a higher truth?

 

[Kondor3]

The 'Bullshit' bomb had nothing to do with particulars and minutiae, and everything to do with the pattern of assault against Israel, attempting to portray it as somehow worse than other nations, most of whom do the same damned things. That is the nature and the scent of that particular brand of Bullshit - the errant singling-out - not the minutiae. And it is the inability to sense that macro-level application (or intentionally ignoring or attempting to mask it) which raises eyebrows the highest.

So the truth cannot be admitted because we are in search of a higher truth?

Please refrain from attempting to put words into the mouths of your colleagues, when no such inference may be reasonably made from the inputs served-up to date.

That is a fifth-grade debate-club first-week tactic, and unworthy of the audience here.

 

[Kondor3]

Seeing if team Palestine can come up with a genuine link that shows that Israel has been convicted of war crimes, or at the very least have been accused by the ICC/ICJ of war crimes

Hilarious. Israel has said it does not intend to be a state party to the Treaty of Rome.

But in any case this thread is about what normal people think of Israel. All the evidence is that normal people think Israel is a rogue state.

Only according to your own highly biased interpretations and spin-doctoring.

Others see that differently.

Including the American People, in a long-running series of public polls, including surveys this very summer, while Gaza War II was underway, in which Israel garnered massive and overwhelming support from the American People.

The numbers do not support your contention, domestically, anyway.

 

[cnm]

That is a fifth-grade debate-club first-week tactic, and unworthy of the audience here.

Why can you not admit truths about Israel?

 

[cnm]

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Including the American People, in a long-running series of public polls, including surveys this very summer, while Gaza War II was underway, in which Israel garnered massive and overwhelming support from the American People.

The numbers do not support your contention, domestically, anyway.

5% odd of the world population. The other portion mostly regards Israel as a rogue state. Votes on UN resolutions tend to confirm this is the 'normal' view.

 

[Kondor3]

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Including the American People, in a long-running series of public polls, including surveys this very summer, while Gaza War II was underway, in which Israel garnered massive and overwhelming support from the American People.

The numbers do not support your contention, domestically, anyway.

5% odd of the world population. The other portion mostly regards Israel as a rogue state. Votes on UN resolutions tend to confirm this is the 'normal' view.

No.

Votes on UN resolutions merely measure (1) the power of the Muslim lobby in the UN, (2) the power of anti-semitism in the UN, and (3) the number of 'needy', dependent powers, who must kiss Arab ass, in order to keep the oil flowing - willing to go along with 'most anything the Arabs ask of them.

 

[Kondor3]

That is a fifth-grade debate-club first-week tactic, and unworthy of the audience here.

Why can you not admit truths about Israel?

I admit that the Israelis do things that other nations do, as well.

Better?

 

[Billo_Really]

Then may they wipe out their tormentors before they are themselves destroyed. Thank you for giving the settlers their right to self defense.

Greg

So you think it was okay for Germany to annex Poland in WWII?

 

[Billo_Really]

Advocating murdering Israeli Arabs is grown up?? You are indeed a twisted person.

Greg

Not as twisted as someone who has to make up what others say, just to have a point.