What do liberals want the US to be?

[Listening]

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

2008 and 2012 people didn't want the system we had it was broken

That's a load of crap.

But the GOP let the conversation get away from them.

Most people were happy with their health care. End of that discussion.

They also knew (including me) that we needed some changes.

Obummercare wasn't the fix. It didn't have to be this stupid.

I don't blame Obama.

I blame the GOP.

The fact still remains (which you seemed to pass by...who can blame you...there is no counter....) that Obama sold the American people a load of shit and they are now suffering buyers remorse.

a simple perusal of headlines pre 2009 will cure your ignorance

Shove it...sideways.

You can fool some of your dumbassed buddies with such a statement.

The rest of us know better.

Or were you talking about how 80% of the Insured U.S. liked their plans ?

 

[Dante]

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

2008 and 2012 people didn't want the system we had it was broken

That's a load of crap.

But the GOP let the conversation get away from them.

Most people were happy with their health care. End of that discussion.

They also knew (including me) that we needed some changes.

Obummercare wasn't the fix. It didn't have to be this stupid.

I don't blame Obama.

I blame the GOP.

The fact still remains (which you seemed to pass by...who can blame you...there is no counter....) that Obama sold the American people a load of shit and they are now suffering buyers remorse.

a simple perusal of headlines pre 2009 will cure your ignorance

Shove it...sideways.

You can fool some of your dumbassed buddies with such a statement.

The rest of us know better.

Or were you talking about how 80% of the Insured U.S. liked their plans ?

http://www.agingsociety.org/agingsociety/publications/public_policy/ebrihcs.pdf

 

[Dante]

Ahem: The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes

quote - "Mitt Romney, as we know, has been catching a lot of flak from conservatives for Romneycare, because Romney’s signature legislative achievement served as the model for Obamacare. But as Romney said in a debate in Las Vegas last October, “we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”" - quote

it’s worth reading Newt Gingrich’s April 2006 comments on then-Gov. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reforms.
“The most exciting development of the past few weeks is what has been happening up in Massachusetts,” wrote Gingrich, or someone speaking for Gingrich, in his “Newt Notes” newsletter. “The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system. We agree entirely with Governor Romney and Massachusetts legislators that our goal should be 100% insurance coverage for all Americans. ... Individuals who can afford to purchase health insurance and simply choose not to place an unnecessary burden on a system that is on the verge of collapse; these free-riders undermine the entire health system by placing the onus of responsibility on taxpayers.”

In 2006, in other words, the Republican Party had an alternative to Obamacare. The only problem? It was Obamacare. Newt Gingrich rsquo s health-care problem mdash and the Republican Party rsquo s - The Washington Post

even more:
E-Newsletter Index Page

 

[Listening]

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

2008 and 2012 people didn't want the system we had it was broken

That's a load of crap.

But the GOP let the conversation get away from them.

Most people were happy with their health care. End of that discussion.

They also knew (including me) that we needed some changes.

Obummercare wasn't the fix. It didn't have to be this stupid.

I don't blame Obama.

I blame the GOP.

The fact still remains (which you seemed to pass by...who can blame you...there is no counter....) that Obama sold the American people a load of shit and they are now suffering buyers remorse.

a simple perusal of headlines pre 2009 will cure your ignorance

Shove it...sideways.

You can fool some of your dumbassed buddies with such a statement.

The rest of us know better.

Or were you talking about how 80% of the Insured U.S. liked their plans ?

http://www.agingsociety.org/agingsociety/publications/public_policy/ebrihcs.pdf

If there is a point to be made using your link....maybe you should make it.

 

[Listening]

Ahem: The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes

quote - "Mitt Romney, as we know, has been catching a lot of flak from conservatives for Romneycare, because Romney’s signature legislative achievement served as the model for Obamacare. But as Romney said in a debate in Las Vegas last October, “we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”" - quote

it’s worth reading Newt Gingrich’s April 2006 comments on then-Gov. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reforms.
“The most exciting development of the past few weeks is what has been happening up in Massachusetts,” wrote Gingrich, or someone speaking for Gingrich, in his “Newt Notes” newsletter. “The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system. We agree entirely with Governor Romney and Massachusetts legislators that our goal should be 100% insurance coverage for all Americans. ... Individuals who can afford to purchase health insurance and simply choose not to place an unnecessary burden on a system that is on the verge of collapse; these free-riders undermine the entire health system by placing the onus of responsibility on taxpayers.”

In 2006, in other words, the Republican Party had an alternative to Obamacare. The only problem? It was Obamacare. Newt Gingrich rsquo s health-care problem mdash and the Republican Party rsquo s - The Washington Post

even more:
E-Newsletter Index Page

First off....so what ?

This meme ran it's time in the spotlight a long time ago.

Are you denying the most recent polls showing that Obummercare is more unpopular than popular ?

Here was an interesting paragraph from your link:

While in theory the plan should be affordable if the whole state contributes to the cost, the reality is that Massachusetts has an exhaustive list of health coverage regulations prohibiting insurers from offering more basic, pared-down policies with higher deductibles. (This is yet another reminder that America must establish a cross-state insurance market that gives individuals the freedom to shop for insurance plans in states other than their own.)

*****************************

Yep.....we had a free market system before Obummercare....in your dreams.

Exhaustive list of regulations....did you catch that ?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

Oh great plan, scuttle the entire US Healthcare system to do what Medicare has done for 50 years.

You people are IDIOTS! You're a menace to the HUMAN RACE! You let communists con you into a scam of the 21st Century to set up a system that has been in place since your GRANDMOTHER was a TEENAGER... and all it cost was 1/7th of the economy and the viability of the ENTIRE HEALTH INSURANCE BUSINESS... getting more than double the number of 'Uninsured' BOUNCED OUT OF THEIR INSURANCE!

 

[Siete]

Ahem: The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes

quote - "Mitt Romney, as we know, has been catching a lot of flak from conservatives for Romneycare, because Romney’s signature legislative achievement served as the model for Obamacare. But as Romney said in a debate in Las Vegas last October, “we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”" - quote

it’s worth reading Newt Gingrich’s April 2006 comments on then-Gov. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reforms.
“The most exciting development of the past few weeks is what has been happening up in Massachusetts,” wrote Gingrich, or someone speaking for Gingrich, in his “Newt Notes” newsletter. “The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system. We agree entirely with Governor Romney and Massachusetts legislators that our goal should be 100% insurance coverage for all Americans. ... Individuals who can afford to purchase health insurance and simply choose not to place an unnecessary burden on a system that is on the verge of collapse; these free-riders undermine the entire health system by placing the onus of responsibility on taxpayers.”

In 2006, in other words, the Republican Party had an alternative to Obamacare. The only problem? It was Obamacare. Newt Gingrich rsquo s health-care problem mdash and the Republican Party rsquo s - The Washington Post

even more:
E-Newsletter Index Page

you're wasting your time. RW's don't even trust other RW's. They have their tiny little minds made up, and that's the way it is. Nothing can or will have an impact on these simpletons.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Ahem: The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes

quote - "Mitt Romney, as we know, has been catching a lot of flak from conservatives for Romneycare, because Romney’s signature legislative achievement served as the model for Obamacare. But as Romney said in a debate in Las Vegas last October, “we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”" - quote

it’s worth reading Newt Gingrich’s April 2006 comments on then-Gov. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reforms.
“The most exciting development of the past few weeks is what has been happening up in Massachusetts,” wrote Gingrich, or someone speaking for Gingrich, in his “Newt Notes” newsletter. “The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system. We agree entirely with Governor Romney and Massachusetts legislators that our goal should be 100% insurance coverage for all Americans. ... Individuals who can afford to purchase health insurance and simply choose not to place an unnecessary burden on a system that is on the verge of collapse; these free-riders undermine the entire health system by placing the onus of responsibility on taxpayers.”

In 2006, in other words, the Republican Party had an alternative to Obamacare. The only problem? It was Obamacare. Newt Gingrich rsquo s health-care problem mdash and the Republican Party rsquo s - The Washington Post

even more:
E-Newsletter Index Page

you're wasting your time. RW's don't even trust other RW's. They have their tiny little minds made up, and that's the way it is. Nothing can or will have an impact on these simpletons.

ROFLMNAO!

A relativist speaks of 'trust'...

Now THAT is ADORABLE!

 

[Listening]

Ahem: The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes

quote - "Mitt Romney, as we know, has been catching a lot of flak from conservatives for Romneycare, because Romney’s signature legislative achievement served as the model for Obamacare. But as Romney said in a debate in Las Vegas last October, “we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”" - quote

it’s worth reading Newt Gingrich’s April 2006 comments on then-Gov. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reforms.
“The most exciting development of the past few weeks is what has been happening up in Massachusetts,” wrote Gingrich, or someone speaking for Gingrich, in his “Newt Notes” newsletter. “The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system. We agree entirely with Governor Romney and Massachusetts legislators that our goal should be 100% insurance coverage for all Americans. ... Individuals who can afford to purchase health insurance and simply choose not to place an unnecessary burden on a system that is on the verge of collapse; these free-riders undermine the entire health system by placing the onus of responsibility on taxpayers.”

In 2006, in other words, the Republican Party had an alternative to Obamacare. The only problem? It was Obamacare. Newt Gingrich rsquo s health-care problem mdash and the Republican Party rsquo s - The Washington Post

even more:
E-Newsletter Index Page

you're wasting your time. RW's don't even trust other RW's. They have their tiny little minds made up, and that's the way it is. Nothing can or will have an impact on these simpletons.

What's to trust. Mitt didn't speak for us when he was governor and he doesn't now.

I was all for the people of Mass making their choice. Great for them. That's why we have federalism.

Why was it necessary for you to push this on the rest of the country ?

Answer that, but if you chose to say the old system was "broken" you'd be ignorant (at best) or lying.

 

[Siete]

Why was it necessary for you to push this on the rest of the country ?

I didn't push squat on anybody and I never voted for Obama. You're an idiot. It's that simple.

 

[rightwinger]

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

Not an issue...

First, you don't have to do either of those things if you shut down Obummercare.

That you dicks don't get that is a problem.

That the morons in the GOP didn't realize it was an issue was a bigger problem.

The fact remains.....

That polls of Obummercare show a 10-15 point difference, those being against it being greater. Just check the RealClear site.

Shutting down Obamacare shuts down the healthcare exchanges and repeals the pre-existing conditions coverage under Obamacare

 

[kaz]

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

Funny how Democrats never mentioned gerrymandering in all the decades they ran State houses and did it. And lots of States still swing to the left in that.

 

[kaz]

Yes, we all lose sleep at night fearing that our government may be too small. It's a real problem, we can't allow that to happen. It would be catastrophic.

Too small?
I want the right sized government as determined by We the People

That right? When "we the people" thought gay marriage wasn't what we wanted, you decided it should be forced on us? Your standard is shifting, big guy.

Most Americans support gay marriage.....happy now?

Deflection

You did not receive the answer you wanted

I received a non-sequitur.

 

[kaz]

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

People who don't want to work hard enough to take care of themselves like getting checks of other people's money. Wow, that's a great insight, big guy. Who would have seen that coming?

 

[kaz]

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

2008 and 2012 people didn't want the system we had it was broken

And the majority didn't want a big step towards socialism, that you rammed down our throats.

 

[kaz]

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

Not an issue...

First, you don't have to do either of those things if you shut down Obummercare.

That you dicks don't get that is a problem.

That the morons in the GOP didn't realize it was an issue was a bigger problem.

The fact remains.....

That polls of Obummercare show a 10-15 point difference, those being against it being greater. Just check the RealClear site.

Shutting down Obamacare shuts down the healthcare exchanges and repeals the pre-existing conditions coverage under Obamacare

Exactly, one of many reasons we should do it. That is just another redistribution of wealth scheme. Peole who don't get coverage then need it want it and they want it on someone else's dime.

 

[rightwinger]

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

People who don't want to work hard enough to take care of themselves like getting checks of other people's money. Wow, that's a great insight, big guy. Who would have seen that coming?

Americans work more hours and are more productive than any other industrialized nation.

They have less to show for it

 

[RKMBrown]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

How do you level the playing field? By bulldozing anyone that is smart, successful, wealthy, superior in some way, right? We can not allow profit!

How do you help those who need helping? By stealing from those who don't need help, right?

 

[RKMBrown]

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

People who don't want to work hard enough to take care of themselves like getting checks of other people's money. Wow, that's a great insight, big guy. Who would have seen that coming?

Americans work more hours and are more productive than any other industrialized nation.

They have less to show for it

Link?

 

[Nosmo King]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

How do you level the playing field? By bulldozing anyone that stands out, right?

How do you help those who need helping? By stealing from those who don't right?

Your rights and standing are not eroded. Rather, the rights of every citizen, the opportunities for every citizen are enjoyed by each and every citizen. A level playing field does not mean bulldozing some, it means elevating everyone else.