What do liberals want the US to be?

[Dante]

It wasn't that he said we had too much government, it's that he said government was the problem.
It is possible to have big government that isn't the problem.

No... that is literally NOT possible.

Understand: The Problem is the THREAT TO FREEDOM.

There is no greater threat to freedom, than the power of government. the bigger the government, the greater the power of the government, the greater the threat from government.

It's not like it's a debatable point.

A threat is just a threat. No need for alarm. The adults will settle this

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

snore zzz

 

[kaz]

So you blame government on a guy who thinks we have too much of it? That's just whacked.

It wasn't that he said we had too much government, it's that he said government was the problem.
It is possible to have big government that isn't the problem.

No, that is not possible. The more government you have, the more layers of unaccountability you have, which because of human nature leads to corruption and indifference in our rulers. Government works only when it's small and as local as possible and it only does that which we cannot do on our own, like manage limited resources and build roads and that sort of thing. No government has or will ever confiscate and redistribute wealth without becoming corrupt.

We live in a complex interconnected world. Too small a government and we will be left behind

Progress always has it's victims -- and idiotic Luddites. Dante is a Luddite at heart, but...reality sets in

Yes, we all lose sleep at night fearing that our government may be too small. It's a real problem, we can't allow that to happen. It would be catastrophic.

Too small?
I want the right sized government as determined by We the People

That right? When "we the people" thought gay marriage wasn't what we wanted, you decided it should be forced on us? Your standard is shifting, big guy.

 

[rightwinger]

It wasn't that he said we had too much government, it's that he said government was the problem.
It is possible to have big government that isn't the problem.

No... that is literally NOT possible.

Understand: The Problem is the THREAT TO FREEDOM.

There is no greater threat to freedom, than the power of government. the bigger the government, the greater the power of the government, the greater the threat from government.

It's not like it's a debatable point.

A threat is just a threat. No need for alarm. The adults will settle this

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

 

[rightwinger]

It wasn't that he said we had too much government, it's that he said government was the problem.
It is possible to have big government that isn't the problem.

No, that is not possible. The more government you have, the more layers of unaccountability you have, which because of human nature leads to corruption and indifference in our rulers. Government works only when it's small and as local as possible and it only does that which we cannot do on our own, like manage limited resources and build roads and that sort of thing. No government has or will ever confiscate and redistribute wealth without becoming corrupt.

We live in a complex interconnected world. Too small a government and we will be left behind

Progress always has it's victims -- and idiotic Luddites. Dante is a Luddite at heart, but...reality sets in

Yes, we all lose sleep at night fearing that our government may be too small. It's a real problem, we can't allow that to happen. It would be catastrophic.

Too small?
I want the right sized government as determined by We the People

That right? When "we the people" thought gay marriage wasn't what we wanted, you decided it should be forced on us? Your standard is shifting, big guy.

Most Americans support gay marriage.....happy now?

 

[BluesLegend]

What do liberals want the US to be?

Slaves to the liberal elite ruling class.

 

[kaz]

No, that is not possible. The more government you have, the more layers of unaccountability you have, which because of human nature leads to corruption and indifference in our rulers. Government works only when it's small and as local as possible and it only does that which we cannot do on our own, like manage limited resources and build roads and that sort of thing. No government has or will ever confiscate and redistribute wealth without becoming corrupt.

We live in a complex interconnected world. Too small a government and we will be left behind

Progress always has it's victims -- and idiotic Luddites. Dante is a Luddite at heart, but...reality sets in

Yes, we all lose sleep at night fearing that our government may be too small. It's a real problem, we can't allow that to happen. It would be catastrophic.

Too small?
I want the right sized government as determined by We the People

That right? When "we the people" thought gay marriage wasn't what we wanted, you decided it should be forced on us? Your standard is shifting, big guy.

Most Americans support gay marriage.....happy now?

Deflection

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Surplus seemed to exist when it was used to justify a tax cut wasn't it?

Like Kaz said.....who cares what was used to justify it ?

GWB was an idiot....like you.

Well GW has a good heart. And he's a long way from being an idiot. He is not a perfect man, thus he was not a perfect President. The simple fact is that the powers that be, whoever that represents, want the US Bankrupted.

And that is done... the US is stone cold bankrupt, meaning that it now owes in debt, more than it can ever hope to sustain.

Do you have any concept of what bankrupt means?

We are not even close

Bankrupt: completely lacking in a particular quality; insolvency.

Insolvency: the state of being insolvent; inability to pay one's debts.

Presently the US Government is barely capable of paying the interest on the debt, which is services on an interest rate which amounts to roughly ZERO. Raise that by as much as 5% and the interest on the US debt will require the entire US Budget relevant to operating the US Government...

Now... where the US Government cannot pay its debt and operate... what do you suppose that concept represents?

Go ahead take a guess.

Now we are getting somewhere

Now to consider someone to be bankrupt, you have to consider assets and liabilities. Now, for liabilities we have $18 trillion in debt
Now, what assets does the US have?
Household wealth is over $60 trillion, we have a GDP of $16 trillion a year, we have the most expensive military in history, the government owns over one third the land in the US

How does that make us bankrupt?

Puhlease... the US Government doesn't have any assets. Take the unfunded liabilities and you could not pay that off if you sold off everything in the US at RETAIL... down to the last mailbox.

The US Government is DONE! There is no place else to go.


Understand, the Ideological Left has fully infected the US Culture. The US Federal "budget" is now well over 4 trillion dollars a year...not even half of which is used to operate the government and it spend another trillion dollars annually in DEFICIT... that budget represent 25% of US GDP, it has over 18 trillion in publicly held debt which is 101% of US GDP and unfunded liabilities of in excess of 100 trillion dollars.

Now that is just today... the Left by its nature must increase debt exponentially.

The subjective nature of the left provides that it will never simply turn from its greed. It cannot do it, it is not possible for it TO DO IT... thus it is not reasonable to expect that they would.

Now, where it is not reasonable to expect the reason that the US is bankrupt to turn from their incessant need for even greater levels of debt, it is not reasonable to believe that a nation which is already bankrupt, has a means to avoid collapse, without cutting from itself, the source of the problem.

And that is all there is to this scamp. Plain and simple.

 

[BluesLegend]

Like Kaz said.....who cares what was used to justify it ?

GWB was an idiot....like you.

Well GW has a good heart. And he's a long way from being an idiot. He is not a perfect man, thus he was not a perfect President. The simple fact is that the powers that be, whoever that represents, want the US Bankrupted.

And that is done... the US is stone cold bankrupt, meaning that it now owes in debt, more than it can ever hope to sustain.

Do you have any concept of what bankrupt means?

We are not even close

Bankrupt: completely lacking in a particular quality; insolvency.

Insolvency: the state of being insolvent; inability to pay one's debts.

Presently the US Government is barely capable of paying the interest on the debt, which is services on an interest rate which amounts to roughly ZERO. Raise that by as much as 5% and the interest on the US debt will require the entire US Budget relevant to operating the US Government...

Now... where the US Government cannot pay its debt and operate... what do you suppose that concept represents?

Go ahead take a guess.

Now we are getting somewhere

Now to consider someone to be bankrupt, you have to consider assets and liabilities. Now, for liabilities we have $18 trillion in debt
Now, what assets does the US have?
Household wealth is over $60 trillion, we have a GDP of $16 trillion a year, we have the most expensive military in history, the government owns over one third the land in the US

How does that make us bankrupt?

Puhlease... the US Government doesn't have any assets. Take the unfunded liabilities and you could not pay that off if you sold off everything in the US at RETAIL... down to the last mailbox.

The US Government is DONE! There is no place else to go.


Understand, the Ideological Left has fully infected the US Culture. The US Federal "budget" is now well over 4 trillion dollars a year...not even half of which is used to operate the government; that budget represent 25% of US GDP, it has over 18 trillion in publicly held debt which is 101% of US GDP and unfunded liabilities of in excess of 100 trillion dollars.

Now that is just today... the Left by its nature must increase exponentially. The subjective nature of the left provides that it will never simply turn from its greed. It cannot do it, it is not possible for it TO DO IT... thus it is not reasonable to expect that they would.

Now, where it is not reasonable to expect the reason that the US is bankrupt to turn from their incessant need for even greater levels of debt, it is not reasonable to believe that a nation which is already bankrupt, has no means to avoid collapse.

And that is all there is to this scamp. Plain and simple.

Meanwhile the left is busy passing thousands of jobs and business killing regulations making it near impossible for us to generate the wealth to pay for all their damn spending. It's official I hate the left.

 

[Listening]

No... that is literally NOT possible.

Understand: The Problem is the THREAT TO FREEDOM.

There is no greater threat to freedom, than the power of government. the bigger the government, the greater the power of the government, the greater the threat from government.

It's not like it's a debatable point.

A threat is just a threat. No need for alarm. The adults will settle this

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

 

[Dante]

A threat is just a threat. No need for alarm. The adults will settle this

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

 

[rightwinger]

We live in a complex interconnected world. Too small a government and we will be left behind

Progress always has it's victims -- and idiotic Luddites. Dante is a Luddite at heart, but...reality sets in

Yes, we all lose sleep at night fearing that our government may be too small. It's a real problem, we can't allow that to happen. It would be catastrophic.

Too small?
I want the right sized government as determined by We the People

That right? When "we the people" thought gay marriage wasn't what we wanted, you decided it should be forced on us? Your standard is shifting, big guy.

Most Americans support gay marriage.....happy now?

Deflection

You did not receive the answer you wanted

 

[rightwinger]

A threat is just a threat. No need for alarm. The adults will settle this

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

 

[Listening]

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

 

[Listening]

Yes, we all lose sleep at night fearing that our government may be too small. It's a real problem, we can't allow that to happen. It would be catastrophic.

Too small?
I want the right sized government as determined by We the People

That right? When "we the people" thought gay marriage wasn't what we wanted, you decided it should be forced on us? Your standard is shifting, big guy.

Most Americans support gay marriage.....happy now?

Deflection

You did not receive the answer you wanted

It wasn't an answer....it was a Red Herring.

Kaz called it right....moron.

 

[Listening]

Yes, adults trust government and want more of it and believe government can make our decisions for us better than we can as long as it's run well. Children think we can make our own decisions. Great argument.

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

Try to take away health coverage from 10 million people
Tell those with pre-existing conditions that they can't get insurance

Not an issue...

First, you don't have to do either of those things if you shut down Obummercare.

That you dicks don't get that is a problem.

That the morons in the GOP didn't realize it was an issue was a bigger problem.

The fact remains.....

That polls of Obummercare show a 10-15 point difference, those being against it being greater. Just check the RealClear site.

 

[Dante]

Adults have experience and wisdom. Children have -- youth

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

2008 and 2012 people didn't want the system we had it was broken

 

[Listening]

Yes, adults with wisdom blindly trust government and believe it can be both big and competent, they are in fact fearful when it is too small. I hear you.

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

2008 and 2012 people didn't want the system we had it was broken

That's a load of crap.

But the GOP let the conversation get away from them.

Most people were happy with their health care. End of that discussion.

They also knew (including me) that we needed some changes.

Obummercare wasn't the fix. It didn't have to be this stupid.

I don't blame Obama.

I blame the GOP.

The fact still remains (which you seemed to pass by...who can blame you...there is no counter....) that Obama sold the American people a load of shit and they are now suffering buyers remorse.

 

[BullKurtz]

Hire each other for do nothing work, eat Doritos watching homo porn, smoke weed, and convert to islam....oh, and ban everything they're afraid of....guns, motorcycles, Christianity, and capitalism.

 

[Listening]

Yes, we all lose sleep at night fearing that our government may be too small. It's a real problem, we can't allow that to happen. It would be catastrophic.

Too small?
I want the right sized government as determined by We the People

That right? When "we the people" thought gay marriage wasn't what we wanted, you decided it should be forced on us? Your standard is shifting, big guy.

Most Americans support gay marriage.....happy now?

Deflection

You did not receive the answer you wanted

They didn't like it back then, but that didn't matter to you pricks.

Overrun the legitimate will of the people and only appeal to the will of the people when it is convenient for you.

You really have no integrity.

 

[Dante]

We the people get the size and scope of Government we ask for

That is hysterically funny.

We The People didn't ask for Obamacare. It is very unpopular. Does that mean it will go away ?

In 2008 and 2012 Obama ran on healthcare reform and later Obamacare itself. The gerrymandered congress ran against Obamacre

No, they ran on promises like......

You can keep your plan if you like it.....

You can keep your doctor if you like them.....

This will save you 2,500/year........

And a few other whoppers.

That wasn't Obummercare.

2008 and 2012 people didn't want the system we had it was broken

That's a load of crap.

But the GOP let the conversation get away from them.

Most people were happy with their health care. End of that discussion.

They also knew (including me) that we needed some changes.

Obummercare wasn't the fix. It didn't have to be this stupid.

I don't blame Obama.

I blame the GOP.

The fact still remains (which you seemed to pass by...who can blame you...there is no counter....) that Obama sold the American people a load of shit and they are now suffering buyers remorse.

a simple perusal of headlines pre 2009 will cure your ignorance