What do liberals want the US to be?

[bripat9643]

You're so right. Bush and the GOP from 2000-2006 ruined the economy, lied us into wars, etc and look at how quickly and easily they put the GOP back into office in 2010 and 2014.

Oh, and it wasn't like they showed up TO VOTE for the GOP. They just didn't show up at all and that's how you won. Of course you like it that less people vote. But that makes you an intellectually dishonest idiot in my book to argue that it is good less people vote not more.

Oh Jesus... not this stupid shit again.

Do you want to pretend it didn't happen or wait for me to forget? This is why we'll get no where with fools like you who don't even know/remember what the **** happened to us once Bush got into office.

Remember he took Clinton's SURPLUS and squandered it. Him and his GOP party led by Tom Delay.

If Clinton ran a "surplus" then why did the national debt go up every year he was in office?

I have a secret for you, Beav, politicians lie. Shocking, isn't it?

Clinton did reduce the deficits.. but he did it through intragovernmental borrowings, not through true debt reduction. It's like saying I made $100k, spent $125k, but I didn't put the additional $25k on credit cards, I took it from my 401k.

LOL

BZZ WRONG. He and the Dems in 1993 created 3 new tax brackets and took the top rate to 39.6%, and that eventually got US back to Carter level revenues, 20% of GDP. Of course Dubya/GOP took care of that and took it back down to 15% of GDP, Korean war levels, AS THEY RAMPED UP SPENDING!!

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.
The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

But I thought the Korean War was the golden age when marginal rates were 95%.

 

[Dad2three]

You're so right. Bush and the GOP from 2000-2006 ruined the economy, lied us into wars, etc and look at how quickly and easily they put the GOP back into office in 2010 and 2014.

Oh, and it wasn't like they showed up TO VOTE for the GOP. They just didn't show up at all and that's how you won. Of course you like it that less people vote. But that makes you an intellectually dishonest idiot in my book to argue that it is good less people vote not more.

Oh Jesus... not this stupid shit again.

Do you want to pretend it didn't happen or wait for me to forget? This is why we'll get no where with fools like you who don't even know/remember what the **** happened to us once Bush got into office.

Remember he took Clinton's SURPLUS and squandered it. Him and his GOP party led by Tom Delay.

There's one huge problem here... Clinton did not leave Bush a surplus. And btw.... Obama has added more to the debt than all his predecessors.. combined.

And so did Bush. So did Clinton.

And yes he did leave him a projected surplus. If spending remained and if taxes coming in remained the same, Bush would have a surplus. But NOTHING stayed the same. Bush gave the rich tax breaks. Strike 1. Lied us into 2 wars. Strike 2. Let illegals flood in to compete with American workers for "jobs Americans won't do". Strike 3. Sent all the good paying union manufacturing jobs overseas. Strike 4. Deregulated the banks and mortgage companies who would no doubt use those deregulations to fuckin ruin the economy.

And it was all by design. The rich got everything they wanted. Its called Disaster Capitalism. Cause a crisis so we have to implement your policies you say will fix the crisis and when they don't work blame it on the other side.

1. Who would you give the breaks to if not the ones paying the taxes?
2. Nobody lied.... that BS has been debunked for a decade now.
3. Yeah, Bush invented this....
4. Better read up on the CRA bub... you people got what you wanted with SISA loans and all that stupid shit. Bush actually warned of an impending crisis and the DEM's laughed.

1) And you whine about debt? lol
2) Jan 25, 2008 - President Bush and his top aides publicly made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq

Study Bush aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN.com

Senate Report: Bush Used Iraq Intel He Knew Was False

The report found that these failures led to the creation of inaccurate materials that misled both government policy makers and the American public. The Committee's Republican majority and Democratic minority agreed on the report's major conclusions and unanimously endorsed its findings.

Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

3) Nope just doubled down on it

4) SERIOUSLY? Wow you REALLY need to grow a brain

Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse


2004 Republican Convention:

Another priority for a new term is to build an ownership society, because ownership brings security and dignity and independence.
...

Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high.

(APPLAUSE)

Tonight we set a new goal: 7 million more affordable homes in the next 10 years, so more American families will be able to open the door and say, "Welcome to my home."


June 17, 2004


Builders to fight Bush's low-income plan


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Home builders, realtors and others are preparing to fight a Bush administration plan that would require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase financing of homes for low-income people, a home builder group said Thursday.


Home builders fight Bush's low-income housing - Jun. 17, 2004


Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis.

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge?

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative





Eliot Spitzer - Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime



Bushs documented policies and statements in timeframe leading up to the start of the Bush Mortgage Bubble include (but not limited to)

Wanting 5.5 million more minority homeowners
Tells congress there is nothing wrong with GSEs
Pledging to use federal policy to increase home ownership
Routinely taking credit for the housing market
Forcing GSEs to buy more low income home loans by raising their Housing Goals
Lowering Invesntment banks capital requirements, Net Capital rule
Reversing the Clinton rule that restricted GSEs purchases of subprime loans
Lowering down payment requirements to 0%
Forcing GSEs to spend an additional $440 billion in the secondary markets
Giving away 40,000 free down payments
PREEMPTING ALL STATE LAWS AGAINST PREDATORY LENDING


But the biggest policy was regulators not enforcing lending standards.


MORE HERE

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


CRA? LOL

 

[Dad2three]

Oh Jesus... not this stupid shit again.

Do you want to pretend it didn't happen or wait for me to forget? This is why we'll get no where with fools like you who don't even know/remember what the **** happened to us once Bush got into office.

Remember he took Clinton's SURPLUS and squandered it. Him and his GOP party led by Tom Delay.

If Clinton ran a "surplus" then why did the national debt go up every year he was in office?

I have a secret for you, Beav, politicians lie. Shocking, isn't it?

Clinton did reduce the deficits.. but he did it through intragovernmental borrowings, not through true debt reduction. It's like saying I made $100k, spent $125k, but I didn't put the additional $25k on credit cards, I took it from my 401k.

LOL

BZZ WRONG. He and the Dems in 1993 created 3 new tax brackets and took the top rate to 39.6%, and that eventually got US back to Carter level revenues, 20% of GDP. Of course Dubya/GOP took care of that and took it back down to 15% of GDP, Korean war levels, AS THEY RAMPED UP SPENDING!!

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.
The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

But I thought the Korean War was the golden age when marginal rates were 95%.

You mean BEFORE Reagan increased SS taxes by 60%? Before we had woman in the workforce? lol

(EDIT, AND NO MEDICARE TAX???)

WEIRD RIGHT?

 

[Dad2three]

You're so right. Bush and the GOP from 2000-2006 ruined the economy, lied us into wars, etc and look at how quickly and easily they put the GOP back into office in 2010 and 2014.

Oh, and it wasn't like they showed up TO VOTE for the GOP. They just didn't show up at all and that's how you won. Of course you like it that less people vote. But that makes you an intellectually dishonest idiot in my book to argue that it is good less people vote not more.

Sorry but I am not a Republican so your little rant was wasted on me. The Republicans are too Liberal and at the end of the day are not that much different from the Democrats. Both parties promote big government and the welfare state.

However, just to comment on your post the economy was doing OK (relatively) under Bush until the 2006 Democrat Congress was elected and then it went to hell in a handbasket. Despite the trillion dollar hit from 911 the economy grew some and the annual debt was much lower than now,taxes were lower and real unemployment (not this made up shit by Obama) was better. Of course that all changed when those dumbass Democrats got elected. What the hell were the American thinking electing those bozos? They made a big enough mistake with the Republicans but made it worse with the Democrats.

PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE, give me the bills the Dems passed that changed Dubya/GOP 'job creator policies from JAN 2007-Jan 2009? lol


Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse
FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Dad2three]

I'm not the one advocating a return to the tax structure of JFK. It is conservatives holding him up as one of their own

JFK was a Libturd shitass in many ways and a terrible President but he got one thing right. He understood that the economy does better when the people get to keep more of the money they make rather than giving it to the corrupt and incompetent government.

Do you want me to repost his quote to the American people on that?

As the rich get richer and store more of their loot off shore and out of the nation's economy


The truly rich don't spend the extra money, they send it to their money managers who invest it. It is a true GOP canard to say they 'create job'. The middle class are the job creators.

 

[Yarddog]

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Maybe we could start with a country that would be a nice example of the goal, and why?

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Venezuela would be one I think.

I think they prefer us to be an international entity, but then again so do the Republicans in Washington pretending to be conservatives. If you dont have a border, you dont have a country. When You dont have an immigration policy, that can be ENFORCED, or are made to feel guilty for having an immigration policy, you no longer have a border.

 

[Londoner]

Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse
FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Read this.
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc?id=20604_brochure.pdf

It details Bush's plans to remove all obstacles to home ownership for the poor. This was a concentrated effort to revive a dead economy with the largest asset bubble in history. It was also used to give Wall Street the most high risk casino ever created by any government, with the taxpayer on the hook. They foreclosed on the poor and bailed out the bankers > then the bankers repossessed the homes so they could find more suckers.

Read it
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc?id=20604_brochure.pdf

 

[Londoner]

This is how the guise of social justice was used to create one of the most corrupt financial schemes in history.

Listen to Bush's actual words. He lays out his "Ownership Society" which removes every obstacle to home ownership for low income families.


The Bush agenda jumpstarted a dead economy by loaning money into it on the backs of morons. These loans were turned into fools gold > mortgage back securities which spawned an entire universe of derivatives used to generate the greatest Wall Street profits ever. And then... when the whole thing blew up, they bailed out the wealthy lenders and foreclosed on the morons. It was the most predatory financial scheme in history.

 

[kaz]

Sure Bubba, sure

There are 2 parties (PERIOD, NO 3rd party since 1992 has done squat) the US. Weird how SOOOOOO many conservatives don't support either party, lol

Libertarians are frauds and parasites. Period

We are parasites, not wanting government money. LOL. you are a tool.

Yeah, I just love that "logic." Of course, it's just another example of the liberal propaganda technique where they accuse their critics of everything they are guilty of.

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

LOL, False premises, distortions and lies, without them the cons would have nothing to say...

You're whole schtick is the utter horror at the idea that government not take care of you. Your story, not mine.

 

[kaz]

These midterms were losses on historic levels. You can write them off if you like without dealing with that, please do.

Sure, remember that in 2016 when we retake the Senate and elect the next Dem Prez (hopefully Eliz Warren)

I don't remember 2016, but then I don't do drugs so it's understandable.

 

[Dad2three]

And so did Bush. So did Clinton.

And yes he did leave him a projected surplus. If spending remained and if taxes coming in remained the same, Bush would have a surplus. But NOTHING stayed the same. Bush gave the rich tax breaks. Strike 1. Lied us into 2 wars. Strike 2. Let illegals flood in to compete with American workers for "jobs Americans won't do". Strike 3. Sent all the good paying union manufacturing jobs overseas. Strike 4. Deregulated the banks and mortgage companies who would no doubt use those deregulations to fuckin ruin the economy.

And it was all by design. The rich got everything they wanted. Its called Disaster Capitalism. Cause a crisis so we have to implement your policies you say will fix the crisis and when they don't work blame it on the other side.

Wow, that Bush, he sure did single-handedly do a lot of things. I guess the rest of us were asleep or something. Nobody thought to oppose him at all.....

YES, Presidential policy matters, ask about Reagan's, Clinton's or Obama's!!! They have EXECUTIVE BRANCH (hint oversight and policy)...

CBO: Bush Tax Cuts Responsible For Almost A Third Of Deficit In Last 10 Years (2001-2010)


How the Deficit Got This Big
In 2001, President George W. Bush inherited a surplus, with projections by the Congressional Budget Office for ever-increasing surpluses, assuming continuation of the good economy and President Bill Clinton’s policies.

Bush, tax cuts and war spending were the biggest policy drivers of the swing from projected surpluses to deficits from 2002 to 2009.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html

 

[kaz]

Yeah, I just love that "logic." Of course, it's just another example of the liberal propaganda technique where they accuse their critics of everything they are guilty of.

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

I should be able to take care of myself, but if god forbid, something were to happen to me I like the idea that the government is there to take care of me

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

Conservatives dream for AmeriKa is to be a third world nation, again!

You realize we can't hear the voices in your head, no?

 

[Dad2three]

Do you want to pretend it didn't happen or wait for me to forget? This is why we'll get no where with fools like you who don't even know/remember what the **** happened to us once Bush got into office.

Remember he took Clinton's SURPLUS and squandered it. Him and his GOP party led by Tom Delay.

There's one huge problem here... Clinton did not leave Bush a surplus. And btw.... Obama has added more to the debt than all his predecessors.. combined.

And so did Bush. So did Clinton.

And yes he did leave him a projected surplus. If spending remained and if taxes coming in remained the same, Bush would have a surplus. But NOTHING stayed the same. Bush gave the rich tax breaks. Strike 1. Lied us into 2 wars. Strike 2. Let illegals flood in to compete with American workers for "jobs Americans won't do". Strike 3. Sent all the good paying union manufacturing jobs overseas. Strike 4. Deregulated the banks and mortgage companies who would no doubt use those deregulations to fuckin ruin the economy.

And it was all by design. The rich got everything they wanted. Its called Disaster Capitalism. Cause a crisis so we have to implement your policies you say will fix the crisis and when they don't work blame it on the other side.

1. Who would you give the breaks to if not the ones paying the taxes?
2. Nobody lied.... that BS has been debunked for a decade now.
3. Yeah, Bush invented this....
4. Better read up on the CRA bub... you people got what you wanted with SISA loans and all that stupid shit. Bush actually warned of an impending crisis and the DEM's laughed.

I've heard all these arguments/lies from the right in 2009. Piss off stupid.

I would give the tax breaks to the middle class and poor. Remember Bush wanted to not be in an official recession so he sent everyone $300? Why didn't he just give his rich friends the money? Because he knew they wouldn't go SPEND IT like the middle class and poor will. And this way even benefits the rich because if the poor and middle class are spending, the rich are making more money.

Our way works, your way does not. Sorry.

Stop crying about what's fair. Ask yourself what works.

Yeah, what you guys are doing is working wonders... worst economy in thirty years, record unemployed, lowest workforce participation since Jimmy Carter...

Seriously how old are you? 15? You sound very immature and frankly, irrational. Do you smoke a lot of weed?

Stop projecting dummy

Dec 2007

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush
The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup.

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush Vanity Fair


Dubya lost 1,000,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs in 8 years of 'job creator' policies. Obama has a NET of over 7+ million

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



Retirement Among Baby Boomers Contributing To Shrinking Labor Force. According to The Washington Post, many economists agree the shrinking labor force participation rate is largely explained by a demographic shift, wherein "baby boomers are starting to retire en masse":

But since 2000, the labor force rate has been steadily declining as the baby-boom generation has been retiring. Because of this, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago expects the labor force participation rate to be lower in 2020 than it is today, regardless of how well the economy does.


The incredible shrinking labor force - The Washington Post



I do believe you might be 15?

 

[BlackSand]

The middle class are the job creators.

Then maybe they should create better jobs and quit bitching about being middle class.

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[kaz]

It certainly is greed when you vote for shitheads that uses the force of government to steal money from other people to benefit you. That is the definition of greed. Tony Soprano would be proud of that scam.

If 70% of the people elect the same kind of people that get elected now and the country continues to have enormous debt, high taxation, limited economic growth, a welfare state, a lost of freedom, interventionism and corrupt government then they haven't accomplished any more that 39% that votes right now.

The American people are not smart enough or moral enough to have a working Republic.

When the citizen asked Ben Franklin "What kind of government have you given us?" and his reply was "A Republic if you can keep it" then he was commenting about the American people may not being smart or moral enough to have good government. He was right to have that concern as we are seeing now.

You're so right. Bush and the GOP from 2000-2006 ruined the economy, lied us into wars, etc and look at how quickly and easily they put the GOP back into office in 2010 and 2014.

Oh, and it wasn't like they showed up TO VOTE for the GOP. They just didn't show up at all and that's how you won. Of course you like it that less people vote. But that makes you an intellectually dishonest idiot in my book to argue that it is good less people vote not more.

Oh Jesus... not this stupid shit again.

Do you want to pretend it didn't happen or wait for me to forget? This is why we'll get no where with fools like you who don't even know/remember what the **** happened to us once Bush got into office.

Remember he took Clinton's SURPLUS and squandered it. Him and his GOP party led by Tom Delay.

If Clinton ran a "surplus" then why did the national debt go up every year he was in office?

I have a secret for you, Beav, politicians lie. Shocking, isn't it?

DON'T KNOW WHAT A YEARLY BUDGET IS HUH? SHOCKING

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Begging the question. Why did the national debt go up every year he was in office if we ran a surplus. That's the first question I asked you, Sparky. There's a reason you're evading it, it shows your lie.

 

[Dad2three]

60 pages and the posts all start to look like the same 100 posts that have been put up before. In 100 threads before.

Sorry.....but here are the facts.

In 2008, the GOP was a mess. That was, in large part, due to GWB and his stupid wars. Many conservatives didn't like going to war and we certainly didn't like the democratic like spending he was doing. He lost the house and senate in 2006.

In 2008, thank to GWB, Pelosi and Reid, we hit a wall and things tanked.

In 2008, running in the spirit of Hope and Change, BHO was elected POTUS of the United States.

The country was in a recession (not ascribing blame....simply stating)

In 2010, the unthinkable occured. The GOP (slated for obsolesence) took back the house. The GOP also gained six or seven seats in the senate.

In 2012, BHO was re-elected. The democrats actually gained two seats in the senate.

In 2014, the GOP took the senate (including "safe" seats in places like CO) and strengthened it's hold on the house.

All along the GOP has been steadily taking up state houses and governorships.

In all this, you see the federal government doing not much of anything.

While states like Wisconsin, under the leadership of Scott Walker are making strides (but by their own admission have much more to do).

I really don't give a rats ass who wins in 2016. Give back the senate or not, the GOP will hold the house stongly (and maybe will even win more) and the federal government, by the GOG will continue to do nothing.

If Obamacare continues on it's present course, it will be a side show in the years to come.

All of this looks pretty good to those of us who don't want a strong central government.

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

Reagan raised the debt 2 trillion in eight years and provided Clinton with a good economy to further reduce it.

I wished that Reagan had gotten more tight fisted near the end.

Obama will have raised it 10 trillion by the time he is done.

Yeah, Ronnie TRIPLED the debt and mysteriously was the reason for Clinton's economy too *shaking head* (BUT Obama OWNS his economy, no matter what happened the past 8 years preceding it, lol)



"The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits."
— Paul Volcker, Federal Reserve Board Chairman (1979-1987), in Audacity, Fall 1994

One of the reasons Goldman Sachs cites for the "best economy ever" is that "on the policy side, trade, fiscal, and monetary policies have been excellent, working in ways that have facilitated growth without inflation. The Clinton Administration has worked to liberalize trade and has used any revenue windfalls to reduce the federal budget deficit."
— Goldman Sachs, March 1998

"Clinton's 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity."
— Business Week, May 19, 1997

 

[Dad2three]

Your confusing liberal with Democratic party!

No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.

8 years of Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policies and they lot 1+ million jobs inn 8 years (NOT including the 4+ million lost in 2009)



Obama has NET 7+ million PRIVATE sector jobs since 2009

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



Good snip, ONCE AGAIN:



Misrepresentations, Regulations and Jobs

No hard evidence is offered for this claim; it is simply asserted as self-evident and repeated endlessly throughout the conservative echo chamber.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/regulation-and-unemployment/

Posting a blogger's thoughts in large font does not add any cred to them. Bartlett is a disgruntled Repub who just this October tried to make the case that Obama is a Republican. Yeah ... OK.

Your confusing liberal with Democratic party!

No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.

It also has an arrogance associated with it that assumes the elite know what's best for everyone. Like all 310,000,000 people in the U.S. are cut from the same cloth.

LOL! But that's just the same old crap the Left has been pushing since the heady days of the overt Progressive Eugenicists.

The Left is a lie... from soup to Liberals. There's not an iota of truth represented in so much as a single facet of Left-think.

Stop projecting

ANY policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US? LOL

Can you clarify your question?

ANY policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?

pol·i·cy1
ˈpäləsē/
noun
noun: policy; plural noun: policies
a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by a government, party, business, or individual.

 

[Dad2three]

You're so right. Bush and the GOP from 2000-2006 ruined the economy, lied us into wars, etc and look at how quickly and easily they put the GOP back into office in 2010 and 2014.

Oh, and it wasn't like they showed up TO VOTE for the GOP. They just didn't show up at all and that's how you won. Of course you like it that less people vote. But that makes you an intellectually dishonest idiot in my book to argue that it is good less people vote not more.

Oh Jesus... not this stupid shit again.

Do you want to pretend it didn't happen or wait for me to forget? This is why we'll get no where with fools like you who don't even know/remember what the **** happened to us once Bush got into office.

Remember he took Clinton's SURPLUS and squandered it. Him and his GOP party led by Tom Delay.

If Clinton ran a "surplus" then why did the national debt go up every year he was in office?

I have a secret for you, Beav, politicians lie. Shocking, isn't it?

DON'T KNOW WHAT A YEARLY BUDGET IS HUH? SHOCKING

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Begging the question. Why did the national debt go up every year he was in office if we ran a surplus. That's the first question I asked you, Sparky. There's a reason you're evading it, it shows your lie.

You don't know how a yearly budget works Bubba? SERIOUSLY?

DEFINITION of 'Budget Surplus'

A situation in which income exceeds expenditures. The term "budget surplus" is most commonly used to refer to the financial situations of governments; individuals speak of "savings" rather than a "budget surplus." A surplus is considered a sign that government is being run efficiently.

Budget Surplus Definition Investopedia

 

[Dad2three]

Bottom 50% who made 12% of ALL US income? lol


Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent


Overall, the poorest 20 percent of households paid an average 10.9 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes in 2007, while the top 1 percent on average paid just 5.2 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes, according to the study.


Poor Americans Pay Double The State Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent

The less wealthy have access to the same local and state facilities and services as the rich (and make use of them far more often). Thanks to our progressive tax system, they pay far less for them than do the rich.

80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Who Rules America Wealth Income and Power

The middle class has been eviscerated


Total U.S. taxes are barely progressive, as shown in this table and chart from Citizens for Tax Justice. The bottom 99 percent pays a 27.5 percent total tax rate on average, while the top 1 percent pays an average 29 percent tax rate, according to 2011 data from Citizens for Tax Justice.

Poor Americans Pay Double The State Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent

I know the pain intimately ... my real estate holdings (I'm a developer) took a hit in 2006/2007 (about $2mil) from which I will never recover. Nevertheless I am not willing to kill the goose which laid the golden egg - something you seem eager to do - just to assuage my pain.

KILL THE GOOSE? Oh you mean the Banksters who hosed US via the GOP in 1920's, 1980's (Ronnie ignored regulator warnings just like Dubya) and 2008?


FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You should get better material, or perhaps grow a brain?

The majority of Democrats and Republicans voted for the bailouts(minus conservative and democratic socialist opposition on the wings of the parties. And Glass Steagall was repealed by Clinton, which was responsible for allowing commercial banks to merge with investment banks and threaten the solvency of regular depositors accounts. To reduce every problem to blaming Bush or the Republicans is dishonest.

Got it, you have NO CLUE about Dubya's financial **** up or how it came about

Glass-Steagal? That GOP bill? Zero to do with Dubya's crash

If you tally the institutions that ran into severe problems in 2008-09, the list includes Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, AIG, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, none of which would have come under Glass-Steagall’s restrictions. Even President Obama has recently acknowledged that “there is not evidence that having Glass-Steagall in place would somehow change the dynamic.”


As for the FDIC-insured commercial banks that ran into trouble, the record is also clear: what got them into trouble were not activities restricted by Glass-Steagall. Their problems arose from investments in residential mortgages and residential mortgage-backed securities—investments they had always been free to engage in.

Why The Glass-Steagall Myth Persists - Forbes

Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse




"Another form of easing facilitated the rapid rise of mortgages that didn't require borrowers to fully document their incomes. In 2006, these low- or no-doc loans comprised 81 percent of near-prime, 55 percent of jumbo, 50 percent of subprime and 36 percent of prime securitized mortgages."

Q HOLY JESUS! DID YOU JUST PROVE THAT OVER 50 % OF ALL MORTGAGES IN 2006 DIDN'T REQUIRE BORROWERS TO DOCUMENT THEIR INCOME?!?!?!?

A Yes.




Q WHO THE HELL LOANS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PEOPLE WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR INCOMES?!?!?

A Banks.

Q WHY??!?!!!?!

A Two reasons, greed and Bush's regulators let them.


Bushs documented policies and statements in timeframe leading up to the start of the Bush Mortgage Bubble include (but not limited to)

Wanting 5.5 million more minority homeowners
Tells congress there is nothing wrong with GSEs
Pledging to use federal policy to increase home ownership
Routinely taking credit for the housing market
Forcing GSEs to buy more low income home loans by raising their Housing Goals
Lowering Invesntment bank’s capital requirements, Net Capital rule
Reversing the Clinton rule that restricted GSEs purchases of subprime loans
Lowering down payment requirements to 0%
Forcing GSEs to spend an additional $440 billion in the secondary markets
Giving away 40,000 free down payments
PREEMPTING ALL STATE LAWS AGAINST PREDATORY LENDING


But the biggest policy was regulators not enforcing lending standards.

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”

 

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No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.

Posting a blogger's thoughts in large font does not add any cred to them. Bartlett is a disgruntled Repub who just this October tried to make the case that Obama is a Republican. Yeah ... OK.

No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.

It also has an arrogance associated with it that assumes the elite know what's best for everyone. Like all 310,000,000 people in the U.S. are cut from the same cloth.

LOL! But that's just the same old crap the Left has been pushing since the heady days of the overt Progressive Eugenicists.

The Left is a lie... from soup to Liberals. There's not an iota of truth represented in so much as a single facet of Left-think.

Stop projecting

ANY policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US? LOL

Can you clarify your question?

ANY policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?

pol·i·cy1
ˈpäləsē/
noun
noun: policy; plural noun: policies
a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by a government, party, business, or individual.

How do you define correct? Do you mean your side? Do you mean the progressive side? The winning side, electorally speaking?

That is a rather loaded question that could be interpreted several ways.

What's interesting is the use of such language. The "right side" of history. The Marxists used this language as well. Didn't turn out so well for them. But I also think this represents a false conception of history. The Left views history as linear, constantly "moving forward". Whereas history shows history is cyclical, civilizations rise and fall.