How much oil actually is left?

[Robert W]

Do you think experts know? Watch the video and see if they know.

I posted on a thread today about the Deep hot biosphere. If you truly are interested in oil, that book explains how it keeps showing up.

 

[1srelluc]

All of it.

According to the dems of the 70s we were were supposed to be bone dry in 2011.

1976

We need to have a realization that we’ve got about 35 years worth of oil left in the whole world. We’re gonna run out of oil. — Jimmy Carter, U.S. president

Carter made that prediction in 1976 when he was running for president. 35 years came and went in 2011 and the world is not beginning to run out of oil.

Another climate/energy scare put to rest.

 

[Captain Creeper]

There are millions of barrels added each day. Don't worry about it. Worry about all the far-left scum that has slithered into America and into positions of authority.

 

[JohnDB]

If magic were to happen and every new vehicle, truck, barge, containership, tanker and etc was made to run on something other than petroleum products...

We, on this planet, will continue to need more and more petroleum.
Peak oil usage is always at least 30-50 years away from a magic event. That's when it finally will begin to level off....and be static for a long time (another 10-15 years...before it will SLOWLY taper off...

That's the reality we are living in.

 

[toobfreak]

Do you think experts know? Watch the video and see if they know.

I feel confident abiotic oil occurs, in fact, I believe the biotic production of oil through the breakdown of plants is just a parallel process that occurs at shallower depths to the more common natural process the Earth does at great depths. Unfortunately, it will become increasingly difficult and expensive to find and like the Buffalo, we can't just keep sucking it forever, and we need oil products for our civilization, therefore, I'm glad I lived in the happy boomer years and am not growing up today to face an uncertain and bleak future where it seems certain that we cannot sustain 8 billion people on the planet.

Maybe this is why we haven't found any civilizations out in the universe.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I feel confident abiotic oil occurs, in fact, I believe the biotic production of oil through the breakdown of plants is just a parallel process that occurs at shallower depths to the more common natural process the Earth does at great depths. Unfortunately, it will become increasingly difficult and expensive to find and like the Buffalo, we can't just keep sucking it forever, and we need oil products for our civilization, therefore, I'm glad I lived in the happy boomer years and am not growing up today to face an uncertain and bleak future where it seems certain that we cannot sustain 8 billion people on the planet.

Maybe this is why we haven't found any civilizations out in the universe.

I've alway been a believer in the abiotic oil theory myself...

 

[toobfreak]

I've alway been a believer in the abiotic oil theory myself...

Well, like the video points out, we have already discovered beaucoup hydrocarbons in places like Saturn's moon Titan, where the only possible source of it is abiotic.

I mean, it stands to reason that if hydrocarbon is so easy to produce that plants can make it just by dying, how surprising would it be to find a condition and process in the deep mantle that duplicates the result through a not-too-dissimilar process of heat, pressure, and carboxylation?

 

[Robert W]

I feel confident abiotic oil occurs, in fact, I believe the biotic production of oil through the breakdown of plants is just a parallel process that occurs at shallower depths to the more common natural process the Earth does at great depths. Unfortunately, it will become increasingly difficult and expensive to find and like the Buffalo, we can't just keep sucking it forever, and we need oil products for our civilization, therefore, I'm glad I lived in the happy boomer years and am not growing up today to face an uncertain and bleak future where it seems certain that we cannot sustain 8 billion people on the planet.

Maybe this is why we haven't found any civilizations out in the universe.

The last problem centers on distance and lifetimes.
The Deep hot biosphere by Thomas Gold sold me 20 years ago. Maybe earlier than that in fact.

In Russia they had wells dry up and later went back and checked again and got more oil. Russia is really working on this problem, yet America is not.

 

[JohnDB]

It's not petroleum alone that we need but CHEAP PETROLEUM.

Meaning that if it costs too much to access....it's untenable and might as well not exist.

Petroleum products are rather inexpensive to produce. Everything from Styrofoam products to tires and plastics....it costs pennies to produce by comparison of other means to achieve simular products.

We can access fertilizers by other means....but they are extremely expensive usually reserved for explosives.

 

[toobfreak]

The last problem centers on distance and lifetimes.
The Deep hot biosphere by Thomas Gold sold me 20 years ago. Maybe earlier than that in fact.

In Russia they had wells dry up and later went back and checked again and got more oil. Russia is really working on this problem, yet America is not.

The person who should be in this discussion is westwall. But my personal opinion is that no matter how deep we dig or how much of the Earth's surface we melt with an asteroid impact, until you get down to molten rock, I'm pretty sure they have always found life/bacteria/biota living in the rock!

When Theia hit Earth, if there was already life on the Earth, worse case, I bet it regenerates just from life in the deep rock alone.

So, biosphere deep in the crust and mantle, biotic or abiotic processes to keep chugging out hydrocarbons, I'm sold on the idea, not that this will entirely solve our oil problem.

 

[westwall]

All of it.

According to the dems of the 70s we were were supposed to be bone dry in 2011.

1976

We need to have a realization that we’ve got about 35 years worth of oil left in the whole world. We’re gonna run out of oil. — Jimmy Carter, U.S. president

Carter made that prediction in 1976 when he was running for president. 35 years came and went in 2011 and the world is not beginning to run out of oil.

Another climate/energy scare put to rest.

Oh, peak oil dates back to the 1900's. Those poor fools have NEVER been correct.

 

[yidnar]

Do you think experts know? Watch the video and see if they know.

I posted on a thread today about the Deep hot biosphere. If you truly are interested in oil, that book explains how it keeps showing up.

probably plenty left .. about 250 million yrs of accumulation and counting left ..

 

[Robert W]

probably plenty left .. about 250 million yrs of accumulation and counting left ..

None of the oil companies claim we are running short so far.

 

[toobfreak]

probably plenty left .. about 250 million yrs of accumulation and counting left ..

Actually no. The period when conditions were ripe to form fossil fuels was mainly back in the Carboniferous period 300 million years ago. We have already reached the point where all of the "easy" oil has been used up--- reserves developed now are much more difficult and expensive to mine and the wells run dry much quicker.

I give it maybe another 50 years before supply and cost can no longer keep up with demand and affordability and humanity begins to run into a real oil crisis, especially as half the products we make and rely on and need are ultimately partly or completely oil-based.

Similar to the gold rush---- in the 1840s, you could find lumps of pure gold the size of your fist laying around right on the ground or in creeks, now they are sifting through long-abandonment Yukon soil trying to sift out remaining granules of the stuff.

 

[Robert W]

Actually no. The period when conditions were ripe to form fossil fuels was mainly back in the Carboniferous period 300 million years ago. We have already reached the point where all of the "easy" oil has been used up--- reserves developed now are much more difficult and expensive to mine and the wells run dry much quicker.

I give it maybe another 50 years before supply and cost can no longer keep up with demand and affordability and humanity begins to run into a real oil crisis, especially as half the products we make and rely on and need are ultimately partly or completely oil-based.

Similar to the gold rush---- in the 1840s, you could find lumps of pure gold the size of your fist laying around right on the ground or in creeks, now they are sifting through long-abandonment Yukon soil trying to sift out remaining granules of the stuff.

I think that we will run out of crude oil when volcanoes stop erupting. Maybe even later than that.

 

[toobfreak]

I think that we will run out of crude oil when volcanoes stop erupting. Maybe even later than that.

No connection between oil deposits and volcanic activity.

 

[Robert W]

No connection between oil deposits and volcanic activity.

No, but my comment did not connect them, just used Volcanos as an example.

 

[westwall]

Actually no. The period when conditions were ripe to form fossil fuels was mainly back in the Carboniferous period 300 million years ago. We have already reached the point where all of the "easy" oil has been used up--- reserves developed now are much more difficult and expensive to mine and the wells run dry much quicker.

I give it maybe another 50 years before supply and cost can no longer keep up with demand and affordability and humanity begins to run into a real oil crisis, especially as half the products we make and rely on and need are ultimately partly or completely oil-based.

Similar to the gold rush---- in the 1840s, you could find lumps of pure gold the size of your fist laying around right on the ground or in creeks, now they are sifting through long-abandonment Yukon soil trying to sift out remaining granules of the stuff.

Maybe. Dr. Gold postulated that oil has nothing to do with dinosaurs, and is in fact a product of the mantle. He drilled a hole into the middle of the continental kraton where current oil creation theory says you will NEVER find oil.

Guess what, he found some.

 

[alang1216]

It's not petroleum alone that we need but CHEAP PETROLEUM.

Meaning that if it costs too much to access....it's untenable and might as well not exist.

Petroleum products are rather inexpensive to produce. Everything from Styrofoam products to tires and plastics....it costs pennies to produce by comparison of other means to achieve simular products.

We can access fertilizers by other means....but they are extremely expensive usually reserved for explosives.

We will NEVER run out of petroleum. You're right, what we will run out of is cheap petroleum. The old, established oil fields, like those of Saudi Arabia can produce a barrel of oil for less than $4. New, deep, offshore oil wells are very expensive to produce, in the $30 to $40/barrel range. Eventually the cost will be so high for oil we'll turn to other energy sources, solar, wind, wave, etc.

 

[Blaster]

There is lots of oil.