What do liberals think about Trump's statement he was spied on now?

[del]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

that's what i think

 

[Syriusly]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

It was just one more of the thousands lies that Trump has told. Obama did not have his wires tapped.

Gator: Obama did not tap Trump. Sure, Obama's people trapped Trump's people, but Obama didn't tap Trump ...

Trump: Obama wire tapped me.
Trumpster: Justice wire tapped the Russian Ambassador and caught a Trump campaign member talking with him- and then lying about it- Trump vindicated!

How many Trumpsters does it take to lie to protect Trump's lies?

Clearly all of you.

 

[Syriusly]

Let's also not forget that the only Russian Collusion proven to ever have occurred was when The DNC Paid Russian Intelligence for The Fake Russian Dossier aka "Smear Book" that Clinton, Obama, The DNC used to launch a fake investigation, disseminated this propaganda in The Media and throughout our government, and used it to hound and harass The Trump Campaign and President for the past two years, even going so far as to commit acts of Espionage against a Rival Campaign, and submit False Affidavits in a FISA Court to accomplish it, and even leaked Classified Information in an attempt to damage our Democracy and in an attempt to commit treason in order to attempt to unseat a duly elected president.

Numerous Felonies were committed in the payment for, the acquisition of, and the dissemination and utilization of The FUSION GPS RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA DOSSIER.

Ah the typical Trumpster lies to protect your Dear Leader.

 

[del]

i heard obama and his minions diverted the trains in dc on inauguration day.

bastards

 

[eagle1462010]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

They have selective memory................

 

[nat4900]

Trump supporters lie to defend their Dear Leader.

That is why everyone hates you motherfuckers.

The Cult of Trump.......

 

[danielpalos]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

Dudes, "Your guys got caught talking to foreign nationals and discussing private business, not public business."

 

[Syriusly]

Let's also not forget that the only Russian Collusion proven to ever have occurred was when The DNC Paid Russian Intelligence for The Fake Russian Dossier aka "Smear Book" that Clinton, Obama, The DNC used to launch a fake investigation, disseminated this propaganda in The Media and throughout our government, and used it to hound and harass The Trump Campaign and President for the past two years, even going so far as to commit acts of Espionage against a Rival Campaign, and submit False Affidavits in a FISA Court to accomplish it, and even leaked Classified Information in an attempt to damage our Democracy and in an attempt to commit treason in order to attempt to unseat a duly elected president.

Numerous Felonies were committed in the payment for, the acquisition of, and the dissemination and utilization of The FUSION GPS RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA DOSSIER.

Ah the typical Trumpster lies to protect your Dear Leader.

Vladimir Putin's Butt Plugs,

What the Trumpster's are obsessed about.

 

[The Original Tree]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

Dudes, "Your guys got caught talking to foreign nationals and discussing private business, not public business."

When you say "your guys" you mean The Clinton Campaign Obama & DNC got caught laundering money to The KGB and KGB Agents through COIE Lawfirm and Fusion GPS to pay for Russian Propaganda to smear President Trump and disrupt our Democracy, right"? Because that is the ONLY think that has been actually PROVEN in the past two years and at least 7 Investigations.

 

[del]

Let's also not forget that the only Russian Collusion proven to ever have occurred was when The DNC Paid Russian Intelligence for The Fake Russian Dossier aka "Smear Book" that Clinton, Obama, The DNC used to launch a fake investigation, disseminated this propaganda in The Media and throughout our government, and used it to hound and harass The Trump Campaign and President for the past two years, even going so far as to commit acts of Espionage against a Rival Campaign, and submit False Affidavits in a FISA Court to accomplish it, and even leaked Classified Information in an attempt to damage our Democracy and in an attempt to commit treason in order to attempt to unseat a duly elected president.

Numerous Felonies were committed in the payment for, the acquisition of, and the dissemination and utilization of The FUSION GPS RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA DOSSIER.

Ah the typical Trumpster lies to protect your Dear Leader.

For The Enemies of America, The Democrat Leftist Russian Puppets and Vladimir Putin's Butt Plugs, I present to you, REALITY!

The Steele Dossier Fits the Kremlin Playbook

There is a third possibility, namely that the dossier was part of a Russian espionage disinformation plot targeting both parties and America’s political process. This is what seems most likely to me, having spent much of my 30-year government career, including with the CIA, observing Soviet and then Russian intelligence operations. If there is one thing I have learned, it’s that Vladimir Putin continues in the Soviet tradition of using disinformation and espionage as foreign-policy tools.

There are three reasons the Kremlin would have detected Mr. Steele’s information gathering and seen an opportunity to intervene. First, Mr. Steele did not travel to Russia to acquire his information and instead relied on intermediaries. That is a weak link, since Russia’s internal police service, the FSB, devotes significant technical and human resources to blanket surveillance of Western private citizens and government officials, with a particular focus on uncovering their Russian contacts.

Second, Mr. Steele was an especially likely target for such surveillance given that he had retired from MI-6, the British spy agency, after serving in Moscow. Russians are fond of saying that there is no such thing as a “former” intelligence officer. The FSB (FORMER KGB) would have had its eye on him.

The pattern of such Russian operations is to sprinkle false information, designed to degrade the enemy’s social and political infrastructure, among true statements that enhance the veracity of the overall report. In 2009 the FSB wanted to soil the reputation of a U.S. diplomat responsible for reporting on human rights. So it fabricated a video, in part using real surveillance footage of the diplomat, that purported to show him with a prostitute in Moscow.

Similarly, some of the information in the Steele dossier is true. Carter Page, a Trump campaign adviser, did travel to Moscow in the summer of 2016. But he insists that the secret meetings the dossier alleges never happened. This is exactly what you’d expect if the Kremlin followed its usual playbook: accurate basic facts provided as bait to convince Americans that the fake info is real.

Special counsel Robert Mueller should be able to lift the veil on whether the Steele dossier was, as I suspect, a tool of Russia’s espionage. Mr. Steele has reportedly revealed details about his sources to Mr. Mueller, who has also been conducting interviews to determine which parts of the dossier are true and which are false.

Russia considers the U.S. an existential threat to its national security, not because of a military threat—which Mr. Putin purposely exaggerates—but because Western ideals of liberty, freedom and democracy have the power to break his regime’s grip on the country. Americans must enhance their understanding of Mr. Putin’s strategy and tactics better to defend against the Kremlin’s relentless propaganda. Otherwise the Steele dossier controversy will continue to be a victory for Mr. Putin and a loss for our democracy.

Mr. Hoffman, a retired chief of station with the Central Intelligence Agency who served in the former Soviet Union, is vice president of SPG, a political consulting group in Washington.

On Disinformation and the Dossier – emptywheel

I’d flesh out another, one the Republicans have been dancing close to for the last year. Because Fusion GPS did business with both the Democrats and, via Baker Hostetler, anti-Magnitsky lobbyists Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin at the same time, it created a second source via which the Russians might learn that Hillary had a dossier. In addition to Simpson himself, Fusion researcher Edward Baumgartner also worked with both Baker Hostetler and the Democrats at the same time. Simpson tried to minimize the overlap and the possibility for revealing the dossier, especially in his Senate testimony.

Q. We had talked about work for multiple clients. What steps were taken, if any, to make sure that the work that Mr. Baumgartner was doing for Prevezon was not shared across to the clients you were working for with regard to the presidential election?

A. He didn’t deal with them. He didn’t deal with the clients.

But the publicly released financial data shows a clear overlap in those projects and Baumgartner’s comments to BI show he worked quite closely with Veselnitskaya.

Baumgartner, a fluent Russian speaker, said he was hired by Fusion to serve as “an interface” with Veselnitskaya, who does not speak much English. They worked “very closely” together in Washington and Moscow, Baumgartner said, reviewing documents and finding witnesses who could bolster Prevezon’s case.

Simpson attended a dinner in DC on June 10, attended by both Veselnitskaya and Akhmetshin, in the aftermath of the Trump Tower meeting at which (per Simpson) “we had drinks before;” Baumgartner’s vague memory suggests he did too. When asked if Baumgartner knew Akhmetshin, which is virtually certain, Simpson said, “I don’t know.” So there were at least opportunities where people working on both campaigns might have disclosed details about the project for the Democrats (though both Simpson and Baumgartner said Baumgartner didn’t know about the Steele part of the project).

One other detail makes it more likely that Russians succeeded in planting at least some disinformation: both Luke Harding (who worked closely with Steele on his book) and Simpson describe Steele’s sources drying up as the focus on Trump’s ties to Russia grew. Simpson’s statement on this grossly understates (as he often does) how much focus there already publicly was on the Russian hack by the time he hired Steele.

So, you know, when Chris started asking around in Moscow about this the information was sitting there. It wasn’t a giant secret. People were talking about it freely. It was only, you know, later that it became a subject of great controversy and people clammed up, and at that time the whole issue of the hacking was also, you know, not really focused on Russia. So these things eventually converged into, you know, a major issue, but at the time it wasn’t one.

So if Steele’s regular sources were drying up, it makes it far more likely any new ones would be easy to compromised.

RUSSIANS SEEM TO HAVE PLANNED TO USE THE DOSSIER TO DISCREDIT THE INVESTIGATION — JUST AS THEY ARE USING IT

Finally, I want to turn to another reason why I think parts of this may be disinformation. At least two of the reports — the Alfa Bank report (which was pretty clearly a feedback loop on another dodgy story) and the depiction of what should have been the Internet Research Association but was instead targeted at Webzilla, seem custom made to prepare the kind of lawfare that has discredited the dossier. Indeed, Alfa Bank and Webzilla’s owners both sued, suggesting they feel like they can survive discovery.

Look, now, at this detail from the letters Chuck Grassley sent out to the DNC, its top officials, and the Hillary campaign, and its top officials, trying to find out how much they knew about and used the dossier. Grassley also asks for any communications to, from, or relating to the following (I’ve rearranged and classified them).

Fusion and its formal employees: Fusion GPS; Bean LLC; Glenn Simpson; Mary Jacoby; Peter Fritsch; Tom Catan; Jason Felch; Neil King; David Michaels; Taylor Sears; Patrick Corcoran; Laura Sego; Jay Bagwell; Erica Castro; Nellie Ohr;

Fusion researcher who worked on both the Prevezon and Democratic projects: Edward Baumgartner;

Anti-Magnitsky lobbyists: Rinat Akhmetshin; Ed Lieberman;

Christopher Steele’s business and colleagues: Orbis Business Intelligence Limited; Orbis Business International Limited.; Walsingham Training Limited; Walsingham Partners Limited; Christopher Steele; Christopher Burrows; Sir Andrew Wood,

Hillary-related intelligence and policy types: Cody Shearer; Sidney Blumenthal; Jon Winer; Kathleen Kavalec; Victoria Nuland; Daniel Jones;

DOJ and FBI: Bruce Ohr; Peter Strzok; Andrew McCabe; James Baker; Sally Yates; Loretta Lynch;

Grassley, like me, doesn’t believe Brennan was out of the loop either: John Brennan

Oleg Deripaska and his lawyer: Oleg Deripaska; Paul Hauser;

It’s the last reference I’m particularly interested in.

When Simpson talked about how the dossier got leaked to BuzzFeed, he complains that, “I was very upset. I thought it was a very dangerous thing and that someone had violated my confidences, in any event.” The presumed story is that John McCain and his aide David Kramer were briefed by Andrew Wood at an event that Rinat Akhmetshin also attended, later obtained the memo (I’m still not convinced this was the full memo yet), McCain shared it, again, with the FBI, and Kramer leaked it to Buzzfeed.

But Grassley seems to think Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska was in on the loop of this. Deripaska is important to this story not just for because he owns Paul Manafort (he figures heavily in this worthwhile profile of Manafort). But also because he’s got ties, through Rick Davis, to John McCain. This was just rehashed last year by Circa, which has been running interference on this story.

There is a report that Manafort laid out precisely the strategy focusing on the dossier that is still the main focus of GOP push back on the charges against Trump and his campaign (and Manafort).

It was about a week before Trump’s inauguration, and Manafort wanted to brief Trump’s team on alleged inaccuracies in a recently released dossier of memos written by a former British spy for Trump’s opponents that alleged compromising ties among Russia, Trump and Trump’s associates, including Manafort.

“On the day that the dossier came out in the press, Paul called Reince, as a responsible ally of the president would do, and said this story about me is garbage, and a bunch of the other stuff in there seems implausible,” said a person close to Manafort.

[snip]

According to a GOP operative familiar with Manafort’s conversation with Priebus, Manafort suggested the errors in the dossier discredited it, as well as the FBI investigation, since the bureau had reached a tentative (but later aborted) agreement to pay the former British spy to continue his research and had briefed both Trump and then-President Barack Obama on the dossier.

Manafort told Priebus that the dossier was tainted by inaccuracies and by the motivations of the people who initiated it, whom he alleged were Democratic activists and donors working in cahoots with Ukrainian government officials, according to the operative.

If Deripaska learned of the dossier — and obtained a copy from McCain or someone close to him — it would make it very easy to lay out the strategy we’re currently seeing.

Update: Welp, here’s why Grassley wants to know who among the Democrats spoke with Cody Shearer.

The FBI inquiry into alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 US presidential election has been given a second memo that independently set out many of the same allegations made in a dossier by Christopher Steele, the British former spy.

The second memo was written by Cody Shearer, a controversial political activist and former journalist who was close to the Clinton White House in the 1990s.

[snip]

The Shearer memo was provided to the FBI in October 2016.

It was handed to them by Steele – who had been given it by an American contact – after the FBI requested the former MI6 agent provide any documents or evidence that could be useful in its investigation, according to multiple sources.

The Guardian was told Steele warned the FBI he could not vouch for the veracity of the Shearer memo, but that he was providing a copy because it corresponded with what he had separately heard from his own independent sources.

Among other things, both documents allege Donald Trump was compromised during a 2013 trip to Moscow that involved lewd acts in a five-star hotel.


How a Sensational, Unverified Dossier Became a Crisis for Donald Trump

Mr. Simpson hired Mr. Steele, a former British intelligence officer with whom he had worked before. Mr. Steele, in his early 50s, had served undercover in Moscow in the early 1990s and later was the top expert on Russia at the London headquarters of Britain’s spy service, MI6. When he stepped down in 2009, he started his own commercial intelligence firm, Orbis Business Intelligence.

The former journalist and the former spy, according to people who know them, had similarly dark views of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, a former K.G.B. officer, and the varied tactics he and his intelligence operatives used to smear, blackmail or bribe their targets.

As a former spy who had carried out espionage inside Russia, Mr. Steele was in no position to travel to Moscow to study Mr. Trump’s connections there. Instead, he hired native Russian speakers to call informants inside Russia and made surreptitious contact with his own connections in the country as well.

Colleagues say he was acutely aware of the danger he and his associates were being fed Russian disinformation. But much of what he was told, and passed on to Fusion GPS, was very difficult to check. And some of the claims that can be checked seem problematic. Mr. Cohen, for instance, said on Twitter on Tuesday night that he has never been in Prague; Mr. Solodukhin, his purported Russian contact, denied in a telephone interview that he had ever met Mr. Cohen or anyone associated with Mr. Trump. The president-elect on Wednesday cited news reports that a different Michael Cohen with no Trump ties may have visited Prague and that the two Cohens might have been mixed up in Mr. Steele’s reports.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

It was just one more of the thousands lies that Trump has told. Obama did not have his wires tapped.

Gator: Obama did not tap Trump. Sure, Obama's people trapped Trump's people, but Obama didn't tap Trump ...

let me type this really slowly for you...NOBODY TAPPED TRUMP'S LINES. NOBODY

 

[Siete]

Under the law, the Justice Department and FBI submit a request to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, which authorizes the wiretapping. Obama would have no role in requesting or approving a wiretap.


how many RW tard-o's understand the law?


NONE - ZERO - ZILCH.

theyre f'n idiots

 

[danielpalos]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

Dudes, "Your guys got caught talking to foreign nationals and discussing private business, not public business."

When you say "your guys" you mean The Clinton Campaign Obama & DNC got caught laundering money to The KGB and KGB Agents through COIE Lawfirm and Fusion GPS to pay for Russian Propaganda to smear President Trump and disrupt our Democracy, right"? Because that is the ONLY think that has been actually PROVEN in the past two years and at least 7 Investigations.

yet, "your guys showed up on Mr. Sulu's security board".

 

[Syriusly]

Under the law, the Justice Department and FBI submit a request to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, which authorizes the wiretapping. Obama would have no role in requesting or approving a wiretap.


how many RW tard-o's understand the law?


NONE - ZERO - ZILCH.

theyre f'n idiots

How idiotic is it?

It is like blaming Trump for the Muehller investigation.

 

[Syriusly]

Why are the Trumpsters so upset about the 'wire tapping'?

Because it brought the first conviction for criminal lying by a Trump administration member.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

Since there has been absolutely no evidence that Trump was ever spied on by the Obama administration so far the only thing that has been proven is that once more Trump was lying.

But we are all rather too used to Trump being proven to be a liar again and again and again.

Since there has been absolutely no evidence that Trump was ever spied on by the Obama administration

Former Obama official admits: We spied on Trump

Speaking on MSNBC March 2, Evelyn Farkas, deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, confirmed that not only was the previous administration collecting intelligence on the Trump team, it was attempting to share it as far and wide as possible.

And you wonder why we HATE you lying mother fuckers..

Except of course- once again:
Trump lied when he said:

That is clearly a lie. President Obama didn't wire tap Trump. Nor was there any actual spying done on Trump. Trump just lied. As he always does.

Trumpsters like you try to rationalize and deflect from Trump's lies- which is why everyone hates you mother fuckers.

Secondly you quoted WND- which regularly sucks Trumps cock with your approval.

WND lied to you. And you loved WND's lie. The Obama campaign didn't admit to spying on Trump. She admitted that Trump was working with the Russians

I was urging my former colleagues and, frankly speaking, the people on the Hill, it was more actually aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves the administration,” Farkas, who is now a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, said.

“Because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior [Obama] people who left, so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy ... that the Trump folks – if they found out how we knew what we knew about their ... the Trump staff dealing with Russians – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.”

Trump supporters lie to defend their Dear Leader.

That is why everyone hates you motherfuckers.

You know why Average Americans hate you lying mother fuckers, which is why HItlery didn't win? Think about it moron. Even with the liberal media "COLLUDING" against Donald Trump? Better start taking off your "I'm with her bumper stickers", you just might be mistaken for ISIS sympathizers.

 

[Nosmo King]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

Our intelligence services were listening on calls to and from Russian agents. Why were they talking to members of the Trump Team, made up of the "best people"?

 

[FA_Q2]

Under the law, the Justice Department and FBI submit a request to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, which authorizes the wiretapping. Obama would have no role in requesting or approving a wiretap.


how many RW tard-o's understand the law?


NONE - ZERO - ZILCH.

theyre f'n idiots

How idiotic is it?

It is like blaming Trump for the Muehller investigation.

...
But Trump does bare the 'blame' for the Mueller investigation. No Trump, nothing to investigate

 

[Syriusly]

You remember all the rhetoric as liberals laughed at Trump for suggesting the White House was spying on Trump. Yeah, so funny, what a dope right? Oh sure, "Obama wasn't spying on Trump". That's right, he was just involved.

Once again Trump gets the last laugh. Are liberals prepared to concede they were wrong again?

Since there has been absolutely no evidence that Trump was ever spied on by the Obama administration so far the only thing that has been proven is that once more Trump was lying.

But we are all rather too used to Trump being proven to be a liar again and again and again.

Since there has been absolutely no evidence that Trump was ever spied on by the Obama administration

Former Obama official admits: We spied on Trump

Speaking on MSNBC March 2, Evelyn Farkas, deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, confirmed that not only was the previous administration collecting intelligence on the Trump team, it was attempting to share it as far and wide as possible.

And you wonder why we HATE you lying mother fuckers..

Except of course- once again:
Trump lied when he said:

That is clearly a lie. President Obama didn't wire tap Trump. Nor was there any actual spying done on Trump. Trump just lied. As he always does.

Trumpsters like you try to rationalize and deflect from Trump's lies- which is why everyone hates you mother fuckers.

Secondly you quoted WND- which regularly sucks Trumps cock with your approval.

WND lied to you. And you loved WND's lie. The Obama campaign didn't admit to spying on Trump. She admitted that Trump was working with the Russians

I was urging my former colleagues and, frankly speaking, the people on the Hill, it was more actually aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves the administration,” Farkas, who is now a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, said.

“Because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior [Obama] people who left, so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy ... that the Trump folks – if they found out how we knew what we knew about their ... the Trump staff dealing with Russians – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.”

Trump supporters lie to defend their Dear Leader.

That is why everyone hates you motherfuckers.

You know why Average Americans hate you lying mother fuckers,

You know why everyone hates you motherfuckers?

Because you lie and lie and lie.

You would happily vote for Trump if he shot someone in the street.

 

[Syriusly]

Just pointing out the huge fail of this thread.

What do we know for certain?

Trump lied about Obama wire tapping him.

Of course the Trumpsters don't that Trump lied- just another day in Trumpland.