what did the russians do to control the ballot box.... ?

If there weren't evidence of it , Trump wouldn't be under investigation for his possible ties to it now would he, dope?
I don't think I did.
Quote me so I have an idea of what you're referring to.
That's why that function exists.

Here you go, maybe you should read what you post.

If there weren't evidence of it , Trump wouldn't be under investigation for his possible ties to it now would he, dope?

I know what I posted. You should take an adult reader refresher.

Evidence that Russia was behind the hacking and subsequent release, dope.

If you had read a few prior posts, you would have seen that who I responded to denied that Russia was behind anything.

My question was, if it's not true, then how can Trump be under investigation for his connection to it?

It's pretty self evident. It's certainly not something you needed to chase me around over.



He nailed you, huh?

Rammed your own words down your stupid throat.



Seems that happened quite a bit in this thread, huh?

Answer the question, dope.

How can Trump be under investigation for his connection to something that never happened?

I think you just have no clue. I understand PC, it seems you don't like her answer so you ignore it. Again, you follow leads and possibilities and more often than not, the leads are a dead end. It means that people are doing their job. Doesn't who is or is not involved.

As near as I can tell, he thinks that law enforcement only investigates AFTER they know someone is guilty of something. How he thinks they know that person is guilty WITHOUT the investigation is unclear, as is why they would bother to investigate if they already know who's guilty.
 
Soooo.....ready to admit that you're a moron????

NOPE, You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001


"You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001."

OMG!!!!

I used to think that you drones couldn't be this stupid....but you are.


He didn't get any warnings, you moron.
Nor were there predictions of 9/11 by the intelligence community!!!


"There was . . . an awareness by the government, including the president, of Osama bin Laden and the threat he posed in the United States and around the world," Fleischer said. "That included long-standing speculation about hijacking in the traditional sense, but not involving suicide bombers using airplanes as missiles."

A CIA spokesman said the agency routinely passed on intelligence citing the possibility that al Qaeda might be planning to hijack an airliner as part of a terrorist action against the United States. But a suicide attack involving an aircraft was never envisioned, the spokesman said."
Bush Was Told of Hijacking Dangers (washingtonpost.com)

Pretty specific warning, huh?


And...do you know who asked for intelligence briefings?

"The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States."
CNN.com - White House releases*bin Laden memo - Apr 12, 2004



Seems like Bush was far more responsible than the oaf in the White House after him.....the one who took a nap while Benghazi was under attack.


Now....those 'predictions'????

"...information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies. ... In a press briefing, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said the threats were very general and did not mention a specific time, place or mode of terrorist attack." August 6, 2001, President's Daily Briefing Memo (External Links) - SourceWatch

Out of curiosity, PC, when and why did you ever think they weren't that stupid?
 
The hacking was a crime.
It was perpetrated by a foreign govt with the intention of influencing our electoral process. It worked.

Why on Earth would you accept that type of attack on our system? Will an equivalent attack on a Republican candidate be required before you find fault with the tactic?

1) Hacking IS a crime, and as such, should be investigated. However, the information provided in the hack was still true, and any votes cast on the basis of that information are still valid, which means the election itself is still valid.

2) If you're going to take the position that the left seems to be taking, which is that any election where voters listen to information other than that put out directly by the campaigns themselves is invalidated and should be replaced by the will of the political left, you're going to have a very hard sell. You let us know how that works out for you.

3) If nothing else, the hacks definitely demolished every argument the left had been trying to make about how the lackadaisical attitude of Hillary and her cronies toward computer security was no big deal.

4) You can scream, "And a foreign government did it! We KNOW they did!" until your face turns blue, but the fact remains that the evidence so far still doesn't indicate exactly who was responsible. Hence the investigation.

5) Did you know that "investigation" does NOT mean "simply assuming the left's narrative is correct"?

Here comes PC's henchmen. I will do this once. I'm not answering spam posts. I will explain my position for those who need extra help.

It's a simple question meant to encourage PC to further explain her thinking.

We had very public testimony that clearly said that Russia was indeed behind the hacking. There is complete agreement of this within the Intel community. It is accepted as fact. It is the basis of the counter intelligence investigation meant to suss out the players, methods and motives of the operation.

As part of that, members of the Trump campaign and the campaign it's self is also part of that investigation in an effort to understand the nature and motives of their known communications with Russian officials.

That is all fact.


Now, PC was asserting repeatedly that Russia was not behind the hack.
PC seemed to be taking a position that was not possible given that Trump was indeed under investigation. I wanted to know how she believes both could be true and how that would work.

In an attempt the get her to expand on her thinking so I could follow her logic, I asked a simple question. I asked, If Russia wasn't behind the hacking, then how is Trump under investigation for his connection to it?
IOW, How is Trump under investigation for his connection to something that never happened?

PC chose to not address that question. Her choice.
Now her hit squad is descending on me.


1."We had very public testimony that clearly said that Russia was indeed behind the hacking."
No intell agency has claimed any such evidence.

2. "There is complete agreement of this within the Intel community."
No intell agency has claimed any such evidence.
That's why you have been unable to provide such a statement about evidence....that should be evident even to a dunce like you.

3. "It is accepted as fact."
No it isn't.
It has never been advanced as anything but conjecture.
It is designed to give marching orders to dunces....you.

4. "Now, PC was asserting repeatedly that Russia was not behind the hack."
You're lying again.
What I have said....and proved....is that there never was, is, or will be any such proof.

I proved this with testimony from PBS:
“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. "If Russia wasn't behind the hacking, then how is Trump under investigation for his connection to it?"
There is no connection between the two.
All the farrago about Russia is to make dunces who voted for the career criminal feel better.
That's the only fact here.

So is the FBI lying or simply confused?

No, the problem is that you're hearing the FBI say things that they didn't actually say, and expecting everyone else to accept your delusions as reality.



What's worse is that this is a corrupt FBI that works for the Democrat Party....


1. "Washington (CNN)The Democratic National Committee "rebuffed" a request from the FBI to examine its computer services after it was allegedly hacked by Russia during the 2016 election, a senior law enforcement official told CNN Thursday."


2. The DNC actually insisted that the FBI rely on a firm that the DNC hired....
"The FBI instead relied on the assessment from a third-party security company called CrowdStrIke."
FBI says DNC rebuffed request to examine computer servers - CNNPolitics.com

3. "What Is CrowdStrike? Firm Hired By DNC Has Ties To Hillary Clinton, A Ukrainian Billionaire, And Google"
What Is CrowdStrike? Firm Hired By DNC Has Ties To Hillary Clinton, A Ukrainian Billionaire, And Google | Zero Hedge



4. Soooo....if the FBI and CrowdStrike work for the DNC.....

....guess who they work against.
 
Soooo.....ready to admit that you're a moron????

NOPE, You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001


"You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001."

OMG!!!!

I used to think that you drones couldn't be this stupid....but you are.


He didn't get any warnings, you moron.
Nor were there predictions of 9/11 by the intelligence community!!!


"There was . . . an awareness by the government, including the president, of Osama bin Laden and the threat he posed in the United States and around the world," Fleischer said. "That included long-standing speculation about hijacking in the traditional sense, but not involving suicide bombers using airplanes as missiles."

A CIA spokesman said the agency routinely passed on intelligence citing the possibility that al Qaeda might be planning to hijack an airliner as part of a terrorist action against the United States. But a suicide attack involving an aircraft was never envisioned, the spokesman said."
Bush Was Told of Hijacking Dangers (washingtonpost.com)

Pretty specific warning, huh?


And...do you know who asked for intelligence briefings?

"The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States."
CNN.com - White House releases*bin Laden memo - Apr 12, 2004



Seems like Bush was far more responsible than the oaf in the White House after him.....the one who took a nap while Benghazi was under attack.


Now....those 'predictions'????

"...information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies. ... In a press briefing, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said the threats were very general and did not mention a specific time, place or mode of terrorist attack." August 6, 2001, President's Daily Briefing Memo (External Links) - SourceWatch

Out of curiosity, PC, when and why did you ever think they weren't that stupid?


Let's be fair.....there was a time when the Democrats were a real American political party....before it was co-opted by the communists/socialists.

Remember JFK and Scoop Jackson?


Recently one of our members wrote this:
"I almost hope that such morons become the norm among Democrats, but honestly, we need the Democrats to shed the embiciles and return to their traditional role of advocating as a LOYAL opposition party, not the seditious thugs they are now."
Dem Congresswoman Calls UC Berkeley Riots A “Beautiful Sight”

jim bowie1958



'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!
 
Soooo.....ready to admit that you're a moron????

NOPE, You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001


"You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001."

OMG!!!!

I used to think that you drones couldn't be this stupid....but you are.


He didn't get any warnings, you moron.
Nor were there predictions of 9/11 by the intelligence community!!!


"There was . . . an awareness by the government, including the president, of Osama bin Laden and the threat he posed in the United States and around the world," Fleischer said. "That included long-standing speculation about hijacking in the traditional sense, but not involving suicide bombers using airplanes as missiles."

A CIA spokesman said the agency routinely passed on intelligence citing the possibility that al Qaeda might be planning to hijack an airliner as part of a terrorist action against the United States. But a suicide attack involving an aircraft was never envisioned, the spokesman said."
Bush Was Told of Hijacking Dangers (washingtonpost.com)

Pretty specific warning, huh?


And...do you know who asked for intelligence briefings?

"The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States."
CNN.com - White House releases*bin Laden memo - Apr 12, 2004



Seems like Bush was far more responsible than the oaf in the White House after him.....the one who took a nap while Benghazi was under attack.


Now....those 'predictions'????

"...information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies. ... In a press briefing, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said the threats were very general and did not mention a specific time, place or mode of terrorist attack." August 6, 2001, President's Daily Briefing Memo (External Links) - SourceWatch

Out of curiosity, PC, when and why did you ever think they weren't that stupid?


Let's be fair.....there was a time when the Democrats were a real American political party....before it was co-opted by the communists/socialists.

Remember JFK and Scoop Jackson?


Recently one of our members wrote this:
"I almost hope that such morons become the norm among Democrats, but honestly, we need the Democrats to shed the embiciles and return to their traditional role of advocating as a LOYAL opposition party, not the seditious thugs they are now."
Dem Congresswoman Calls UC Berkeley Riots A “Beautiful Sight”

jim bowie1958



'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!

Since I wasn't born until 1968, I would have to say no, I do not remember JFK or Scoop Jackson.

By the time I was old enough to notice politics, Carter was on his way out the door, and Democrats had given up even pretending not to be a bunch of sleazebags.
 
Soooo.....ready to admit that you're a moron????

NOPE, You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001


"You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001."

OMG!!!!

I used to think that you drones couldn't be this stupid....but you are.


He didn't get any warnings, you moron.
Nor were there predictions of 9/11 by the intelligence community!!!


"There was . . . an awareness by the government, including the president, of Osama bin Laden and the threat he posed in the United States and around the world," Fleischer said. "That included long-standing speculation about hijacking in the traditional sense, but not involving suicide bombers using airplanes as missiles."

A CIA spokesman said the agency routinely passed on intelligence citing the possibility that al Qaeda might be planning to hijack an airliner as part of a terrorist action against the United States. But a suicide attack involving an aircraft was never envisioned, the spokesman said."
Bush Was Told of Hijacking Dangers (washingtonpost.com)

Pretty specific warning, huh?


And...do you know who asked for intelligence briefings?

"The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States."
CNN.com - White House releases*bin Laden memo - Apr 12, 2004



Seems like Bush was far more responsible than the oaf in the White House after him.....the one who took a nap while Benghazi was under attack.


Now....those 'predictions'????

"...information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies. ... In a press briefing, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said the threats were very general and did not mention a specific time, place or mode of terrorist attack." August 6, 2001, President's Daily Briefing Memo (External Links) - SourceWatch

Out of curiosity, PC, when and why did you ever think they weren't that stupid?


Let's be fair.....there was a time when the Democrats were a real American political party....before it was co-opted by the communists/socialists.

Remember JFK and Scoop Jackson?


Recently one of our members wrote this:
"I almost hope that such morons become the norm among Democrats, but honestly, we need the Democrats to shed the embiciles and return to their traditional role of advocating as a LOYAL opposition party, not the seditious thugs they are now."
Dem Congresswoman Calls UC Berkeley Riots A “Beautiful Sight”

jim bowie1958



'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!

Since I wasn't born until 1968, I would have to say no, I do not remember JFK or Scoop Jackson.

By the time I was old enough to notice politics, Carter was on his way out the door, and Democrats had given up even pretending not to be a bunch of sleazebags.


Well...I don't mean 'remember' in the personal sense....
I mean historical memory.

I was born even later, and then it was a while before I came to this country....

But, I have made a study of history, politics, economics, etc.....

....and there really was a time when the Left didn't control the schools, the media, and the culture.



But....I'm not predicting in any way that we can wrest it back from them.....you see why in the posts of those two fools tho whom you addressed posts.
 
Let's remember that every pronouncement from the Democrats/Liberals/Leftists is a lie!!!

Proof?
Sure
1. "CrowdStrike stands fully by its analysis and findings identifying two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries present in the DNC network.... these claims do nothing to lessen our findings relating to the Russian government’s involvement,..."
Bears in the Midst: Intrusion into the Democratic National Committee »



2. Remember who and what CrowdStrike is....
"What Is CrowdStrike? Firm Hired By DNC Has Ties To Hillary Clinton, A Ukrainian Billionaire, And Google"
What Is CrowdStrike? Firm Hired By DNC Has Ties To Hillary Clinton, A Ukrainian Billionaire, And Google | Zero Hedge


3. And this....
"WASHINGTON —
U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank."
Cyber Firm Rewrites Part of Disputed Russian Hacking Report



Did I mention that everything that comes from a Democrat source is a lie?

Well, let me mention it again.
 
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NOPE, You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001


"You left out that the intelligence community predicted 9-11, and briefed Bush that BinLaden was determined to strike inside the USA on August 6th 2001."

OMG!!!!

I used to think that you drones couldn't be this stupid....but you are.


He didn't get any warnings, you moron.
Nor were there predictions of 9/11 by the intelligence community!!!


"There was . . . an awareness by the government, including the president, of Osama bin Laden and the threat he posed in the United States and around the world," Fleischer said. "That included long-standing speculation about hijacking in the traditional sense, but not involving suicide bombers using airplanes as missiles."

A CIA spokesman said the agency routinely passed on intelligence citing the possibility that al Qaeda might be planning to hijack an airliner as part of a terrorist action against the United States. But a suicide attack involving an aircraft was never envisioned, the spokesman said."
Bush Was Told of Hijacking Dangers (washingtonpost.com)

Pretty specific warning, huh?


And...do you know who asked for intelligence briefings?

"The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States."
CNN.com - White House releases*bin Laden memo - Apr 12, 2004



Seems like Bush was far more responsible than the oaf in the White House after him.....the one who took a nap while Benghazi was under attack.


Now....those 'predictions'????

"...information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies. ... In a press briefing, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said the threats were very general and did not mention a specific time, place or mode of terrorist attack." August 6, 2001, President's Daily Briefing Memo (External Links) - SourceWatch

Out of curiosity, PC, when and why did you ever think they weren't that stupid?


Let's be fair.....there was a time when the Democrats were a real American political party....before it was co-opted by the communists/socialists.

Remember JFK and Scoop Jackson?


Recently one of our members wrote this:
"I almost hope that such morons become the norm among Democrats, but honestly, we need the Democrats to shed the embiciles and return to their traditional role of advocating as a LOYAL opposition party, not the seditious thugs they are now."
Dem Congresswoman Calls UC Berkeley Riots A “Beautiful Sight”

jim bowie1958



'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!

Since I wasn't born until 1968, I would have to say no, I do not remember JFK or Scoop Jackson.

By the time I was old enough to notice politics, Carter was on his way out the door, and Democrats had given up even pretending not to be a bunch of sleazebags.


Well...I don't mean 'remember' in the personal sense....
I mean historical memory.

I was born even later, and then it was a while before I came to this country....

But, I have made a study of history, politics, economics, etc.....

....and there really was a time when the Left didn't control the schools, the media, and the culture.



But....I'm not predicting in any way that we can wrest it back from them.....you see why in the posts of those two fools tho whom you addressed posts.

I think when we hit the point where people started proudly and vigorously defending their God-given right to be uninformed imbeciles, it became impossible to ever put the Ignorance Genie back in the bottle.

From what I've learned restrospectively concerning JFK, I'm frankly bewildered that Democrats enshrine him the way they do, or that other people go along with it. I assume it's just that he was assassinated, and people want to think well of him for that.
 
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