What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[rightwinger]

The great depression was an unusual period. Because of the depression the communist party and socialism was gaining prominence. Minnesota had even elected a socialist governor, something unheard of before. Either join them or get beat.

Not only that, but the Dust Bowl crippled mid America for a decade.
It showed that Private Charity was not capable of handling major crisis

 

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Government can do things that help people.
It may just be more efficient than every person doing it themselves

You are capable of delivering your own mail, the Government just does it better
You can test your own food, water and drugs……it is better if the Government does it

No, I'm not capable of delivering my own mail or establishing standards. Nor am I capable of defending our shores. I am capable of paying for my medical bills, my mortgage, food, utilities, purchases, debts, etc.

 

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He was great for social programs.....right?

Yes, didn't I already say that? Which makes him a credible witness for when he said,

"...The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of a sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America..."
FDR, Annual Message to Congress, January 04, 1935

 

[Big Bend Texas]

It’s also been attempted and used in many case adjudications… correct?

Used and succeeded are not mutually inclusive.

You can make any argument you want, that doesn't mean it will be successful.

You can't cite any cases where the preamble has been ruled to have any plenary power or force of law.

 

[rightwinger]

No, I'm not capable of delivering my own mail or establishing standards. Nor am I capable of defending our shores. I am capable of paying for my medical bills, my mortgage, food, utilities, purchases, debts, etc.

Of course you are
You are just too cheap and lazy to do it

The Government does much for We the People.
We wanted to create a more Perfect Union

One that looks out for the General Welfare

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Not only that, but the Dust Bowl crippled mid America for a decade.
It showed that Private Charity was not capable of handling major crisis

There were damned few if any gov't operated shelters and food ketches or commodities distribution points in Rural America during that era.

Those programs were centered in the cities racked by the depression.

 

[scruffy]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

"General Welfare" means the well being of the country as a whole.

So for instance, if we have a Great Depression, "everyone" is in the dust bowl, there's very few people who aren't.

General Welfare means keeping the conditions such that people can succeed, if they either want to work for a wage, or go into business for themselves.

IMO.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Of course you are
You are just too cheap and lazy to do it

The Government does much for We the People.
We wanted to create a more Perfect Union

One that looks out for the General Welfare

Which again is spelled out in detail in the spending clause with no mention of social welfare programs.

 

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Of course you are
You are just too cheap and lazy to do it

The Government does much for We the People.
We wanted to create a more Perfect Union

One that looks out for the General Welfare

General welfare doesn't mean what you think it does.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Yes, didn't I already say that? Which makes him a credible witness for when he said,

"...The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of a sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America..."
FDR, Annual Message to Congress, January 04, 1935

You are spamming the thread now

 

[Vegasgiants]

Which again is spelled out in detail in the spending clause with no mention of social welfare programs.

Sure it does. Promote the general welfare

 

[BS Filter]

Not only that, but the Dust Bowl crippled mid America for a decade.
It showed that Private Charity was not capable of handling major crisis

Yes, the great depression was a time for government to act. The problem is government doesn't know when to sit down when the emergency is over.

 

[rightwinger]

Which again is spelled out in detail in the spending clause with no mention of social welfare programs.

Doesn’t need to

Congress can establish social welfare programs or farm welfare programs, or programs to help families with children

If you don’t like it, you can vote them out

 

[rightwinger]

General welfare doesn't mean what you think it does.

Afraid it does

It gives Congress broad power to help We the People
A Government of the people, by the people and for the people

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Sure it does. Promote the general welfare

You've already established that you can't find it listed.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Doesn’t need to

Congress can establish social welfare programs or farm welfare programs, or programs to help families with children

If you don’t like it, you can vote them out

That isn't how the constitution works nor what it says.

Congress does a lot of things outside the bounds of the constitution and we all know it.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Afraid it does

It gives Congress broad power to help We the People
A Government of the people, by the people and for the people

The People Is everyone, not just some.

 

[Vegasgiants]

You've already established that you can't find it listed.

I showed you where it was listed


Promote the general welfare

 

[Vegasgiants]

That isn't how the constitution works nor what it says.

Congress does a lot of things outside the bounds of the constitution and we all know it.

Actually they cant do things outside the bounds if the constitution

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I showed you where it was listed


Promote the general welfare

You're simply lying now.

The only plenary power relative to general welfare is in A1 S8 where all of the legit areas for federal spending are listed in detail.

Social programs is not among them.