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James Madison (one of my favorite founders) was right to question spending on roads, bridges, etc, and at the time, he would have been right in his decision, but wrong if that decision was made today. Roads are necessary for common defense (an enumerated power). A federal highway system supports national defense (getting troops and equipment to the battlefield). Surely, you cannot deny that.Exactly.General vs. Specific
General: Military Defense
Specific: Taking money from Barney Fife and using it buy Aunt Bee a firearm.
General: Interstate Highway System
(also common defense as military needs roads to respond to threats)
Specific: Taking money from Barney Fife and using it buy Aunt Bee a car.
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"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States".
Congress has the authority to tax and spend for the general welfare, but the enumerated powers limit the federal government’s spending power to specific objects listed in Article I, Section 8.
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On the last day of his administration, Madison vetoed "infrastructure bill" that called for federal construction of various roads, bridges, and canals throughout the country.
In his Letter to Congress he said: "“The legislative powers vested in Congress are specified and enumerated in the eighth section of the first article of the Constitution, and it does not appear that the power proposed to be exercised by the bill is among the enumerated powers.”
Now we see why it was his last day.Exactly.General vs. Specific
General: Military Defense
Specific: Taking money from Barney Fife and using it buy Aunt Bee a firearm.
General: Interstate Highway System
(also common defense as military needs roads to respond to threats)
Specific: Taking money from Barney Fife and using it buy Aunt Bee a car.
.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States".
Congress has the authority to tax and spend for the general welfare, but the enumerated powers limit the federal government’s spending power to specific objects listed in Article I, Section 8.
.
On the last day of his administration, Madison vetoed "infrastructure bill" that called for federal construction of various roads, bridges, and canals throughout the country.
In his Letter to Congress he said: "“The legislative powers vested in Congress are specified and enumerated in the eighth section of the first article of the Constitution, and it does not appear that the power proposed to be exercised by the bill is among the enumerated powers.”
DanielPalos, yours is an excellent response. I don't believe any other will surpass it.we should compare and contrast with terms our Founding Fathers did not use; the general warfare or the common offense.… Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?
Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.
General means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.Welfare is unconstitutional
Explain.
What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Roads benefit the general welfare of the peopleJames Madison (one of my favorite founders) was right to question spending on roads, bridges, etc, and at the time, he would have been right in his decision, but wrong if that decision was made today. Roads are necessary for common defense (an enumerated power). A federal highway system supports national defense (getting troops and equipment to the battlefield). Surely, you cannot deny that.Exactly.General vs. Specific
General: Military Defense
Specific: Taking money from Barney Fife and using it buy Aunt Bee a firearm.
General: Interstate Highway System
(also common defense as military needs roads to respond to threats)
Specific: Taking money from Barney Fife and using it buy Aunt Bee a car.
.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States".
Congress has the authority to tax and spend for the general welfare, but the enumerated powers limit the federal government’s spending power to specific objects listed in Article I, Section 8.
.
On the last day of his administration, Madison vetoed "infrastructure bill" that called for federal construction of various roads, bridges, and canals throughout the country.
In his Letter to Congress he said: "“The legislative powers vested in Congress are specified and enumerated in the eighth section of the first article of the Constitution, and it does not appear that the power proposed to be exercised by the bill is among the enumerated powers.”
.
General means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.Welfare is unconstitutional
Explain.
What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the people.
Doesn’t mean everyone has to benefit equally......just the nation as a whole benefits
General means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.Explain.
What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the people.
Doesn’t mean everyone has to benefit equally......just the nation as a whole benefits
How does theft at gunpoint benefit the nation?
You are just getting goofyGeneral means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.Explain.
What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the people.
Doesn’t mean everyone has to benefit equally......just the nation as a whole benefits
How does theft at gunpoint benefit the nation?
You are just getting goofyGeneral means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the people.
Doesn’t mean everyone has to benefit equally......just the nation as a whole benefits
How does theft at gunpoint benefit the nation?
You can only reach that conclusion if you improperly expand "General Welfare" to include EVERYTHING. But, under Common Defense, it clearly provides a means of getting troops to different areas of the nation to protect against invasion.Roads benefit the general welfare of the people
If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?
Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the Union WITHIN its enumerated powers. A sweeping interpretation of General Welfare IGNORES the enumeration of powers and the 9th and 10th Amendments.General means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.Welfare is unconstitutional
Explain.
What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the people.
Doesn’t mean everyone has to benefit equally......just the nation as a whole benefits
General Welfare tells Congress ......Do your jobYou can only reach that conclusion if you improperly expand "General Welfare" to include EVERYTHING. But, under Common Defense, it clearly provides a means of getting troops to different areas of the nation to protect against invasion.Roads benefit the general welfare of the people
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You keep saying that..Congress is tasked to do what is best for the Union WITHIN its enumerated powers. A sweeping interpretation of General Welfare IGNORES the enumeration of powers and the 9th and 10th Amendments.General means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.Explain.
What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the people.
Doesn’t mean everyone has to benefit equally......just the nation as a whole benefits
.
You keep saying that..Congress is tasked to do what is best for the Union WITHIN its enumerated powers. A sweeping interpretation of General Welfare IGNORES the enumeration of powers and the 9th and 10th Amendments.General means generalOur welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency.What do you think the framers meant when they said “GENERAL WELFARE”?
What do you think the definition of “GENERAL” is?
General does not mean specific. The fed gov is charged with promoting an environment that permits the general welfare to function as it applies to the whole country, not as an ATM for illegally protected groups or individuals.
Congress is tasked to do what is best for the people.
Doesn’t mean everyone has to benefit equally......just the nation as a whole benefits
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But it is not supported by Congress, the Courts or the people
Don’t see any states suing for more power
Take your ignorant ass back to law school.General Welfare tells Congress ......Do your job
Do those things that need doing for the benefit of the people.
If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?
Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.
Amend the constitution or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!You keep saying that..
But it is not supported by Congress, the Courts or the people
Don’t see any states suing for more power
If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?
Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.
