What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[danielpalos]

But it can be

Did you read the full article? According to the article, and the federalist papers, and other letters written at the time, general welfare was not to be construed as a blanket clause used to allow the government free reign to do what it wanted.

It actually says that the title "general welfare" is defined by the enumerated powers.

Only the republicans proclaim that; along with tax cut economics and financing government.

It's not Republicans, it was the framers who said that.

Here is a quote from that article:

"Even Alexander Hamilton, the framer most in favor of expansive federal power, conceded as much in Federalist 83.

This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended."

Yes, our federal Government is limited to the federal sphere not a unitary general authority.

Exactly, limited to a federal sphere, governed by the 18 enumerated powers that were outlined in the constitution.

The constitution is actually there to keep government in check, to help preserve the freedom of its citizens, and to keep the government from intruding into the lives if the citizenry.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Metadata for the general welfare not the general warfare!

 

[danielpalos]

You only care about the law; when the Poor get punished.

No one is punishing the poor. You're not being punished when someone can afford a Cadillac and you can only afford a Chevy Sprint.

equal protection of the law. do the Poor not deserve it under our form of Capitalism?

What you are talking about is not equal protection. Just because someone makes enough money to afford a Ferrari doesn't mean everyone should get a Ferrari.

Equal protection under the law implies that you are afforded the same legal rights as any other citizen.

equal protection of at-will employment laws.

I'm not sure where you are going with that, and what it has to do with general welfare.

the welfare, general.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

They didn't have to. That is the genius of it. They wrote it in such a way that it would apply for generations to come, and to keep the government from gaining too much power. They also gave us a way to change it if we felt it necessary.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The General Welfare Clause is not about writing checks | | Tenth Amendment Center

We subscribe to Capitalism, not socialism on a national basis. It must be about writing checks. Or, right wingers, why rely on Check Writing from the Government, at all.

Again, as I asked the previous person to reply. Did you read the article? The article wasn't about writing checks, that was just a headline, but the article goes on to describe the intent behind the general welfare clause, and why the meaning behind it cannot mean government has a blank check to spend in any fashion they desire.

The right wing is clueless and Causeless. This is the general intent:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Ok, so what is the preamble saying?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

To form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

All of that is talking about providing a secure and free country. That is what the general welfare clause means. Its talking about making sure citizens retain their freedom, for people to have the liberty to live the lives they choose, and not be burdened down by government, and not be under the threat of any foreign power.

the power to provide for the general welfare is general; it must be so, to Promote the general welfare. there is no express enumeration to promote the general warfare or the common offense.

The enumerated powers are the definition by which general welfare is guided:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


In there we have provisions for law, economy, military, warfare, regulation of foreign commerce, the justice system, and taxation.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Did you read the full article? According to the article, and the federalist papers, and other letters written at the time, general welfare was not to be construed as a blanket clause used to allow the government free reign to do what it wanted.

It actually says that the title "general welfare" is defined by the enumerated powers.

Only the republicans proclaim that; along with tax cut economics and financing government.

It's not Republicans, it was the framers who said that.

Here is a quote from that article:

"Even Alexander Hamilton, the framer most in favor of expansive federal power, conceded as much in Federalist 83.

This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended."

Yes, our federal Government is limited to the federal sphere not a unitary general authority.

Exactly, limited to a federal sphere, governed by the 18 enumerated powers that were outlined in the constitution.

The constitution is actually there to keep government in check, to help preserve the freedom of its citizens, and to keep the government from intruding into the lives if the citizenry.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Metadata for the general welfare not the general warfare!

I'm still not seeing where you are going with this. I apologize, but I'm not gleaning the relevancy here.

 

[rightwinger]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

 

[hazlnut]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

If you voted for trump you voted for a corrupt idiot shit-spewing demon.

Good on ya!

 

[rightwinger]

We subscribe to Capitalism, not socialism on a national basis. It must be about writing checks. Or, right wingers, why rely on Check Writing from the Government, at all.

Again, as I asked the previous person to reply. Did you read the article? The article wasn't about writing checks, that was just a headline, but the article goes on to describe the intent behind the general welfare clause, and why the meaning behind it cannot mean government has a blank check to spend in any fashion they desire.

The right wing is clueless and Causeless. This is the general intent:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Ok, so what is the preamble saying?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

To form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

All of that is talking about providing a secure and free country. That is what the general welfare clause means. Its talking about making sure citizens retain their freedom, for people to have the liberty to live the lives they choose, and not be burdened down by government, and not be under the threat of any foreign power.

the power to provide for the general welfare is general; it must be so, to Promote the general welfare. there is no express enumeration to promote the general warfare or the common offense.

The enumerated powers are the definition by which general welfare is guided:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


In there we have provisions for law, economy, military, warfare, regulation of foreign commerce, the justice system, and taxation.

Not all inclusive

General Welfare is as the current Congress and Supreme Court decides

 

[BrokeLoser]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

Imagine if we were..imagine how much better off this nation would be today...huh?

 

[BrokeLoser]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

If you voted for trump you voted for a corrupt idiot shit-spewing demon.

Good on ya!

Look homo...I voted against wetbacks and Mexico taking America just like the 30 states and 2,623 counties did.

 

[Thinker101]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

We are a functioning 21st century democracy. Just wait for a few more illegals and we'll become an 18th century shithole....dumbass.

 

[BS Filter]

Wrong again my friend

He said it on the day he announced his candidacy. Before he even knew what MS
13 was

Ok, let's look at what was said. He said that Mexico is not sending their best. He said those that are coming are bringing their problems. He said they are rapists and bringing drugs, and he also said "some, I assume, are good people".

Now then, given the context in which he spoke, what part of what he said is untrue? He did say that he assumed some are good people, but, just looking at the news, you can also see that some are not so good.

I'll agree, trump is a bit crass in his choice of words, but, where in that speech did he misrepresent what is happening?

The good news is; the real rightwinger is a “Red, White and Blue” REAL American...he respects U.S. sovereignty, law and order so he really doesn’t care what type of illegal is disrespecting Americans...he knows they are ALL illegal aliens shitting on the faces of good, real Americans.
Ain’t that right rightwinger ?

You only care about the law; when the Poor get punished.

No one is punishing the poor. You're not being punished when someone can afford a Cadillac and you can only afford a Chevy Sprint.

What an idiotic post

We are talking safety net protections. Not buying the poor Cadillacs to be equal

We have safety net protections in the United States. You've obviously never been exposed to real poverty in other parts of the world. The poor in the United States have microwave ovens, television, cell phones, and buy bacon and eggs with food stamps.

 

[danielpalos]

We subscribe to Capitalism, not socialism on a national basis. It must be about writing checks. Or, right wingers, why rely on Check Writing from the Government, at all.

Again, as I asked the previous person to reply. Did you read the article? The article wasn't about writing checks, that was just a headline, but the article goes on to describe the intent behind the general welfare clause, and why the meaning behind it cannot mean government has a blank check to spend in any fashion they desire.

The right wing is clueless and Causeless. This is the general intent:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Ok, so what is the preamble saying?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

To form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

All of that is talking about providing a secure and free country. That is what the general welfare clause means. Its talking about making sure citizens retain their freedom, for people to have the liberty to live the lives they choose, and not be burdened down by government, and not be under the threat of any foreign power.

the power to provide for the general welfare is general; it must be so, to Promote the general welfare. there is no express enumeration to promote the general warfare or the common offense.

The enumerated powers are the definition by which general welfare is guided:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


In there we have provisions for law, economy, military, warfare, regulation of foreign commerce, the justice system, and taxation.

crime, drug, and terror wars do not promote or provide for the general welfare; the general badfare, maybe, but not the general welfare.

 

[danielpalos]

Only the republicans proclaim that; along with tax cut economics and financing government.

It's not Republicans, it was the framers who said that.

Here is a quote from that article:

"Even Alexander Hamilton, the framer most in favor of expansive federal power, conceded as much in Federalist 83.

This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended."

Yes, our federal Government is limited to the federal sphere not a unitary general authority.

Exactly, limited to a federal sphere, governed by the 18 enumerated powers that were outlined in the constitution.

The constitution is actually there to keep government in check, to help preserve the freedom of its citizens, and to keep the government from intruding into the lives if the citizenry.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Metadata for the general welfare not the general warfare!

I'm still not seeing where you are going with this. I apologize, but I'm not gleaning the relevancy here.

Promoting the general welfare not the general warfare is what we should be doing.

 

[rightwinger]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

Imagine if we were..imagine how much better off this nation would be today...huh?

Imagine what a backwards shithole we would be if we constrained ourselves to the visions of 18 th century aristocrats

 

[rightwinger]

Ok, let's look at what was said. He said that Mexico is not sending their best. He said those that are coming are bringing their problems. He said they are rapists and bringing drugs, and he also said "some, I assume, are good people".

Now then, given the context in which he spoke, what part of what he said is untrue? He did say that he assumed some are good people, but, just looking at the news, you can also see that some are not so good.

I'll agree, trump is a bit crass in his choice of words, but, where in that speech did he misrepresent what is happening?

The good news is; the real rightwinger is a “Red, White and Blue” REAL American...he respects U.S. sovereignty, law and order so he really doesn’t care what type of illegal is disrespecting Americans...he knows they are ALL illegal aliens shitting on the faces of good, real Americans.
Ain’t that right rightwinger ?

You only care about the law; when the Poor get punished.

No one is punishing the poor. You're not being punished when someone can afford a Cadillac and you can only afford a Chevy Sprint.

What an idiotic post

We are talking safety net protections. Not buying the poor Cadillacs to be equal

We have safety net protections in the United States. You've obviously never been exposed to real poverty in other parts of the world. The poor in the United States have microwave ovens, television, cell phones, and buy bacon and eggs with food stamps.

I’m sorry, I hold the US to a higher standard than third world shitholes

 

[rightwinger]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

We are a functioning 21st century democracy. Just wait for a few more illegals and we'll become an 18th century shithole....dumbass.

What nonsense

 

[BrokeLoser]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

Imagine if we were..imagine how much better off this nation would be today...huh?

Imagine what a backwards shithole we would be if we constrained ourselves to the visions of 18 th century aristocrats

Be specific...tell us how this nation and GOOD Americans have benefited by deviating from the original words of our founders?
We’ll be standing by waiting patiently....You might want to pretend you didn’t see this post.

 

[rightwinger]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

Imagine if we were..imagine how much better off this nation would be today...huh?

Imagine what a backwards shithole we would be if we constrained ourselves to the visions of 18 th century aristocrats

Be specific...tell us how this nation and GOOD Americans have benefited by deviating from the original words of our founders?
We’ll be standing by waiting patiently....You might want to pretend you didn’t see this post.

We have evolved from being a bunch of states that are united to being THE UNITED STATES

 

[danielpalos]

I doubt if our founders intended to call the shots for hundreds of years

They wanted to create a form of government where We the People would be able to decide what they wanted Government to do for them

Our founders never envisioned a nation from coast to coast with 330 million people and the most powerful economy and military in the world

Negative...our founders never intended for this country to deviate from the basic principles and guidelines of the Constitution.
Before you go there I’d like to say...**** Jefferson’s progressive punk ass!

We haven’t
We are functioning as a 21st century democracy instead of an 18th century democracy

Imagine if we were..imagine how much better off this nation would be today...huh?

Imagine what a backwards shithole we would be if we constrained ourselves to the visions of 18 th century aristocrats

Be specific...tell us how this nation and GOOD Americans have benefited by deviating from the original words of our founders?
We’ll be standing by waiting patiently....You might want to pretend you didn’t see this post.

promoting the general welfare is not deviating from it; promoting the general warfare is deviating from it.