What Constitutes a "Right?"

[Intense]

Nurse! Meds!

Where in the Bible does it mention anything like "natural rights"??

Rabbi, What level of Religious Understanding would You rate Yourself?

Jewish?

Christian?

 

[Intense]

Rabbi,

Locke on Natural Right. John Locke: Second Treatise of Civil Government

Locke on Toleration. John Locke: A Letter Concerning Toleration

 

[Liability]

This from the man who thinks Hezbollah is a Lebanese patriotic organization.

When a Palestinian terrorist gets injured, they take the injured terrorist by ambulance to the nearest Hezbollah.

They're not terrorists. They're Lebanese freedom fighters.
At least according to the chief dim bulb of ths site.

Our President doesn't like to refer to people of their ilk as "terrorists," either.

I am unconstrained by rules of political correctness.

Any fuckwad that hides military action WITHIN a civilian population as a shield is a coward. To do that to launch attacks against one's alleged enemy is beneath cowardice. And to do it in order to launch attacks against the civilian population of one's alleged enemy is depraved.

When the purpose of such attacks is to instill terror in the innocent civilian population to effect "change" in the policies of the "enemy's" government, that is terrorism. The disgraceful barbaric scum-sucking rat-fuckers who do it are terrorists.

Pardon my French.

 

[The Rabbi]

Rabbi,

Locke on Natural Right. John Locke: Second Treatise of Civil Government

Locke on Toleration. John Locke: A Letter Concerning Toleration

I didn't realize there was a Gospel of John Locke....

 

[Missourian]

Jesus, Gahdi and Rev. King proved that all power does not flow from the barrel of a gun, but that an ideal and a belief in what's right is more powerful than any army.

 

[Intense]

Rabbi,

Locke on Natural Right. John Locke: Second Treatise of Civil Government

Locke on Toleration. John Locke: A Letter Concerning Toleration

I didn't realize there was a Gospel of John Locke....

How about The Philosophy of Locke. Natural Rights, Inalienable Rights, Separation of Church and State, Nonviolent Civil Disobedience, and Life, Liberty, Property.

 

[The Rabbi]

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[Intense]

That doesn't answer my question.

Lock's writings are loaded with Bible Reference. Had You checked into the Links You would have reacted differently. Start with Toleration.

 

[Intense]

That doesn't answer my question.

Do You know what a Torah is Rabbi? Just Checking.

To make sure we end on the same page, Inalienable Right Comes From God. Natural Right Comes From God. Inalienable Right = Natural Right.

 

[Diuretic]

So whether or not we have any rights depend on ......Obama?

"...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone.... "


Benito Mussolini


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Obama can't make legislation as I understand it, only approve it. So you need to look to your legislators for development and protection of your rights.

Why?


That was already done in 1787.


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Think of it as an optional extra, you can create new ones as needed

 

[The Rabbi]

That doesn't answer my question.

Do You know what a Torah is Rabbi? Just Checking.

To make sure we end on the same page, Inalienable Right Comes From God. Natural Right Comes From God. Inalienable Right = Natural Right.

And I'm asking where natural rights are in the Bible.

 

[Liability]

That doesn't answer my question.

Do You know what a Torah is Rabbi? Just Checking.

To make sure we end on the same page, Inalienable Right Comes From God. Natural Right Comes From God. Inalienable Right = Natural Right.

And I'm asking where natural rights are in the Bible.

They come just after Deuterwrongomies and immediately before Second Responsibilites!

 

[Intense]

That doesn't answer my question.

Do You know what a Torah is Rabbi? Just Checking.

To make sure we end on the same page, Inalienable Right Comes From God. Natural Right Comes From God. Inalienable Right = Natural Right.

And I'm asking where natural rights are in the Bible.

Think Moses. 10 Commandments

How about this.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

I'm gonna end it there because th effect on this thread is bloody.

You need to study Locke to apply it.

 

[Diuretic]

Do animals have rights? Do plants have rights? Do rocks have rights?

One-liner, sorry!

 

[rubberhead]

Could you explain that in English please?

Just because someone denies rights doesn't negate their existence. This is why natural rights are called "natural." Because part of the nature of being human is to have rights and respect those of others, or to expect to be deprived of your rights by whatever structure is in place to protect rights. In some cases the protection is inadequate so there are those who are chronically deprived of rights without recourse. These are unfortunate situations, but should not and do not serve as proof that rights do not exist without government protection.

 

[Intense]

Do animals have rights? Do plants have rights? Do rocks have rights?

One-liner, sorry!

Do You believe in Cause and Effect?

Funny I remember reading about Trial in France ling ago, where The Court, tried a case against the People for killing Rats. The Court appointed Lawyers to represent the rats, there were appeals, the Judge and Lawyers got paid. Guess who footed the charges? The Peasants, to the penny. Watch out what you ask for.

 

[Intense]

Could you explain that in English please?

Just because someone denies rights doesn't negate their existence. This is why natural rights are called "natural." Because part of the nature of being human is to have rights and respect those of others, or to expect to be deprived of your rights by whatever structure is in place to protect rights. In some cases the protection is inadequate so there are those who are chronically deprived of rights without recourse. These are unfortunate situations, but should not and do not serve as proof that rights do not exist without government protection.

You might try thinking on different terms Rabbi, like Conscience, Sin, Consequence.

 

[rubberhead]

Do animals have rights? Do plants have rights? Do rocks have rights?

One-liner, sorry!

Some people think animals have rights. I think that we should respect natural in general, if for no other reason than that we depend on it.

I didn't mean to ***** about your one-liners, but when they show no thoughtfulness it makes me think that you have no real interest in the discussion and I was kind of happy that all of the trollers had moved on and we were actually having a real discussion (you know, evidence is presented, considered and agreeable conclusions are reached) about something that I think is becoming especially important.

 

[Diuretic]

Do animals have rights? Do plants have rights? Do rocks have rights?

One-liner, sorry!

Do You believe in Cause and Effect?

Funny I remember reading about Trial in France ling ago, where The Court, tried a case against the People for killing Rats. The Court appointed Lawyers to represent the rats, there were appeals, the Judge and Lawyers got paid. Guess who footed the charges? The Peasants, to the penny. Watch out what you ask for.

I see cause and effect all the time.

I also accept that there's such a thing as the law of unintended consequences.

 

[Intense]

Do animals have rights? Do plants have rights? Do rocks have rights?

One-liner, sorry!

Do You believe in Cause and Effect?

Funny I remember reading about Trial in France ling ago, where The Court, tried a case against the People for killing Rats. The Court appointed Lawyers to represent the rats, there were appeals, the Judge and Lawyers got paid. Guess who footed the charges? The Peasants, to the penny. Watch out what you ask for.

I see cause and effect all the time.

I also accept that there's such a thing as the law of unintended consequences.

Totally with You.