What a White and Asian Flash Mob Tells Us About an Advanced Culture

[Pheonixops]

Those calling for an "honest discussion about race" are the first to shout down anyone who doesn't parrot the PC party line. How can the Black Community hope to achieve parity with Whites if it despises their values and culture?

The so-called "Black Community" and "Black Culture" is already a reflection of, an integral part of, an influence of and on American Culture. If the white aristocrats in this country would have continued to treat the Black indentured servants and free Blacks with the same rules as their white compatriots, all that crap that you are inaccurately generalizing about probably wouldn't have happened. Even after slavery, those bastards STILL discriminated and subjugated a large portion of the so-called "Black community" in this country. This continued from the late 19th century to the late 20th century. Show me one other group than the American Indians in this country, that had to endure what the Blacks in this country endured for centuries. In my opinion, it really started changing for the better about 20 years ago, even then your brethren were calling for a RAHOWA to go off in 1995 or thereabout. Thanks for the laugh !


I don't want to shut down the crap that you guys spout, I have fun debating and discussing it with you.

Most everything you allude to was objectively implemented with respect to whites treatment to blacks. Today we are taught to hate objectivity instead of realizing the practicality of what the people of the past faced. Thus, you are taught to pick a side of the teachers choosing in school and you never really get to ask why. Lemmie give you an example. Looking at it from our prospective we usually justify it and say "They were discriminated against, what did you expect?" However, when a black person got lynched none of us pointed at the black crime rate of the day or the propensity for blacks to steal which was just as rampant then as it is today. Now, lynching is wrong no matter who did it. However, we are taught to pick a side and justify the actions of one while lambasting the actions of another. History is rarely so black and white and we all would do ourselves justice by ignoring the simplicity of skin and look toward the more complicated implications of culture. No one has ever hated a person for their skin color.

If you look for trends of subjugated peoples, the black history trend plays out exactly the same as any other.

I typed a post that is historically accurate. Of course, most of those things are attributed to the Whites who were in power and their treatment of the majority of the Black population in this country. I see nothing historically inaccurate about this sentence: "The so-called "Black Community" and "Black Culture" is already a reflection of, an integral part of, an influence of and on American Culture.".

Can you provide a citation for this: " In Mississippi there were places where blacks lynched whites more than the other way around."? Thank you.

" No one has ever hated a person for their skin color. ". Really?

 

[Pheonixops]

Those calling for an "honest discussion about race" are the first to shout down anyone who doesn't parrot the PC party line. How can the Black Community hope to achieve parity with Whites if it despises their values and culture?

The so-called "Black Community" and "Black Culture" is already a reflection of, an integral part of, an influence of and on American Culture. If the white aristocrats in this country would have continued to treat the Black indentured servants and free Blacks with the same rules as their white compatriots, all that crap that you are inaccurately generalizing about probably wouldn't have happened. Even after slavery, those bastards STILL discriminated and subjugated a large portion of the so-called "Black community" in this country. This continued from the late 19th century to the late 20th century. Show me one other group than the American Indians in this country, that had to endure what the Blacks in this country endured for centuries. In my opinion, it really started changing for the better about 20 years ago, even then your brethren were calling for a RAHOWA to go off in 1995 or thereabout. Thanks for the laugh !

Thanks for proving my point.

What point was that?

 

[Godboy]

The so-called "Black Community" and "Black Culture" is already a reflection of, an integral part of, an influence of and on American Culture. If the white aristocrats in this country would have continued to treat the Black indentured servants and free Blacks with the same rules as their white compatriots, all that crap that you are inaccurately generalizing about probably wouldn't have happened. Even after slavery, those bastards STILL discriminated and subjugated a large portion of the so-called "Black community" in this country. This continued from the late 19th century to the late 20th century. Show me one other group than the American Indians in this country, that had to endure what the Blacks in this country endured for centuries. In my opinion, it really started changing for the better about 20 years ago, even then your brethren were calling for a RAHOWA to go off in 1995 or thereabout. Thanks for the laugh !

Thanks for proving my point.

What point was that?

That your community refuses to take responsibility for their own actions. Blaming white people for black flash mobs is utter nonsense.

 

[westwall]

The Mongol culture was a warrior culture that knew how to use strategy and tactics combined with advanced weaponry for their day. A culture that cannot defend itself is not an advanced culture. Especially when warriors easily take over your lands and adopt your cultural achievements as their own (There is nothing wrong with that in an objective historical outlook by the way).

You are correct in assessing that the black culture in the United States is not an African culture. I never claimed that it was. If they were of African culture they would have been much less advanced. But then again, on every objective account, Africans that migrate to the US do much better than the black population as a whole on average. Allow me therefore to revise that statement. African culture is less advanced when they are in areas that are majority African. Black American culture encourages stagnation and regression. See here >>> http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/335010-the-state-of-the-black-union.html

You are correct in saying that you can find the same criminal behavior in whites. What you cannot say, however, is that the criminal behavior among whites is larger than that of the criminal behavior among blacks in accordance to their population. For example:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/335010-the-state-of-the-black-union.html
Crime Rates
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

The Mongols were out teched by every culture they came up against. They had no siege equipment with which to take cities, their armor was trivial compared to the knights they came up against (who were ALSO a warrior culture), their hand weapons were outclassed by the pattern welded swords of the knights, the one edge they had was their bow. That outclassed every missile weapon in he west other than the English Longbow.

And they had Genghis Khan. Probably the greatest military and political mind the world has ever known. The problem that the Mongols had was after they conquered the Chinese they became the Chinese and allowed themselves to adopt the Chinese culture which eventually turned them into shadows of their former selves.

The African culture is retarded due to corruption for the most part. And that can be laid at the feet of the multi-national corporations who wish them to remain that way so as to exploit them easier.

As far as the crime rates go, I see that as a mutual problem, first the progressives wish the black population to remain ignorant and dependent because they want their votes which keep progressives in power. Secondly, when you have few options you do what you can. Please note I don't condone criminal behavior, but I realize from whence it originates. And that is corruption that is fostered by progressive interests.

It has nothing to do with the color of their skin, or their intellects. It has everything to do with politics. Run by WHITE people.

I don't dispute your assessment of Khan and his Army. He did what those who conquered Rome did. They realized that the Roman culture was a superior one and they hired the Romans to teach their children.

African culture has always been corrupt. How do you think the European colonizers were able to pit one against another? They were corrupts before, they were corrupt then, and they are corrupt now. Corruption is nothing new. Most countries are corrupt, that is to say, largely corrupt. African corruption is simply a part of African culture. Nothing can be done in Africa without a quid pro quo. Unlike Khan and those who invaded Rome, however, Africans did not adopt the superior culture.

Many of them equated capitalism to the evils of imperialism and bided for a socialist/communist form of government and tucked themselves under the Soviet sphere of influence. The whites in Africa who were able to prevent this from happening led to much more prosperous countries than that of the newly independent African nations. Twist it any way you want, post apartheid South Africa was/is much worse off than apartheid South Africa economically, culturally, civically, and politically exactly because they did not adopt the advanced culture of their adversaries. This phenomenon is also equitable to the post Jim Crow South. Both policies were horrible, but, an objective assessment will render them necessary so as to prevent a culturally corrupt and non conforming population from rising to power and destroying an advanced civilization.

In any case, black dysfunction is not the fault of white people unless you consider them incompetent, which, doesn't bode well for the black community. No, they aren't incompetent because they know exactly what they're doing.

I enjoy our conversations because you argue without name-calling and you have yet to turn into a troll/flamer as so many others (JakeStarkey/Unkotare/Asclepias) have. As you can see I've brought us back on topic by circling our conversation back to the thesis of the op. I look forward to your reply.

ALL countries are corrupt. The only question is the degree to which they have descended into that corruption. Your central premise that white culture is superior to black culture is arguable for this one simple reason.

Is it ethical for one group of people to exploit another?

 

[Pheonixops]

Thanks for proving my point.

What point was that?

That your community refuses to take responsibility for their own actions. Blaming white people for black flash mobs is utter nonsense.

My community is in Hampton Roads, we have members of many different ethnic groups ("races"), and most of us do take responsibility for ourselves and our actions. We have some of the most elite warriors in the world that live in my community. What are you talking about?

Where did I blame white people for what a minority of hoodlums and ignorant teens are doing (flash mobs)? Thanks for the laugh!

 

[Publius1787]

The Mongols were out teched by every culture they came up against. They had no siege equipment with which to take cities, their armor was trivial compared to the knights they came up against (who were ALSO a warrior culture), their hand weapons were outclassed by the pattern welded swords of the knights, the one edge they had was their bow. That outclassed every missile weapon in he west other than the English Longbow.

And they had Genghis Khan. Probably the greatest military and political mind the world has ever known. The problem that the Mongols had was after they conquered the Chinese they became the Chinese and allowed themselves to adopt the Chinese culture which eventually turned them into shadows of their former selves.

The African culture is retarded due to corruption for the most part. And that can be laid at the feet of the multi-national corporations who wish them to remain that way so as to exploit them easier.

As far as the crime rates go, I see that as a mutual problem, first the progressives wish the black population to remain ignorant and dependent because they want their votes which keep progressives in power. Secondly, when you have few options you do what you can. Please note I don't condone criminal behavior, but I realize from whence it originates. And that is corruption that is fostered by progressive interests.

It has nothing to do with the color of their skin, or their intellects. It has everything to do with politics. Run by WHITE people.

I don't dispute your assessment of Khan and his Army. He did what those who conquered Rome did. They realized that the Roman culture was a superior one and they hired the Romans to teach their children.

African culture has always been corrupt. How do you think the European colonizers were able to pit one against another? They were corrupts before, they were corrupt then, and they are corrupt now. Corruption is nothing new. Most countries are corrupt, that is to say, largely corrupt. African corruption is simply a part of African culture. Nothing can be done in Africa without a quid pro quo. Unlike Khan and those who invaded Rome, however, Africans did not adopt the superior culture.

Many of them equated capitalism to the evils of imperialism and bided for a socialist/communist form of government and tucked themselves under the Soviet sphere of influence. The whites in Africa who were able to prevent this from happening led to much more prosperous countries than that of the newly independent African nations. Twist it any way you want, post apartheid South Africa was/is much worse off than apartheid South Africa economically, culturally, civically, and politically exactly because they did not adopt the advanced culture of their adversaries. This phenomenon is also equitable to the post Jim Crow South. Both policies were horrible, but, an objective assessment will render them necessary so as to prevent a culturally corrupt and non conforming population from rising to power and destroying an advanced civilization.

In any case, black dysfunction is not the fault of white people unless you consider them incompetent, which, doesn't bode well for the black community. No, they aren't incompetent because they know exactly what they're doing.

I enjoy our conversations because you argue without name-calling and you have yet to turn into a troll/flamer as so many others (JakeStarkey/Unkotare/Asclepias) have. As you can see I've brought us back on topic by circling our conversation back to the thesis of the op. I look forward to your reply.

ALL countries are corrupt. The only question is the degree to which they have descended into that corruption. Your central premise that white culture is superior to black culture is arguable for this one simple reason.

Is it ethical for one group of people to exploit another?

Who is exploiting whom? I don't follow. White people are not responsible for black dysfunction.