ForeverYoung436
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To Abraham and Keturah were born six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah.
We also need to count Ishmael. (according to the OT)
Which line are you from?
I am from the line of Isaac. Ishmael, who is called a wild ass, is the father of the Arabs. He was disowned by Abraham, at Hashem's command.. There are some Rabbis who consider Keturah's children to be step-children of Abraham, since he was already old when he married her (Genesis 25, 1-6). They were also disowned, in any case.
Yes when you can show me your gemology which must go back over 50 generations I just might believe you.
So according to todays laws , Abraham would of had to pay child support for those sons of his, but apparently to you, they aren't his kids, Keturah must of got impregnated by God. They can't be disowned.
Abraham was a grief-stricken widower when he married Keturah, a widow with six children. He adopted her kids, hoping to blend their families together. However, when he realized that her kids were deliquent idol-worshippers (like Ishmael had been), he disowned all of them, and he made Isaac his only successor.
25 Abraham married another wife, named Keturah. 2 The children she bore him were Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. 3 Jokshan became the father of Sheba and Dedan. Dedan’s sons were Asshurim, Letushim, and Leummim. 4 Midian’s sons were Ephah, Epher, Enoch, Abida, and Eldaah. All of these were Keturah’s sons. 5 Abraham gave everything he owned to Isaac. 6 To the sons of Abraham’s secondary wives, Abraham gave gifts and, while he was still living, sent them away from his son Isaac to land in the east.
don't people read the bible any more?
I am going by one Rabbi's opinion--might be the Ibn Ezra. Usually births in the Torah are preceded by the word "vatahar" (she conceived). This word is omitted from the text. The words "vatoled lo" can also be interpreted to mean "she gave him children", so adoption is an alternative explanation. (See the case of Serach Bat Asher in the Midrash.)