West Virginia adopted Constitutional carry 5 years ago. Crime went down, not up, anti-gunners don't have a clue.

[JoeB131]

What caused the increase in violent crime?

Blm and the democrat party attacking the police......democrat party judges and prosecutors releasing violent criminals back into their communities over and over again on bail and short prison sentences which decreases the likelihood that anyone in those communities will help the police...

That increased violent crime starting in 2015 when the democrat party declared it's war on the police...

Wrong again... Crime is at all time lows up until 2019.

Reported violent crime rate in the U.S. 2022 | Statista

In 2022, the violent crime rate in the United States was 369.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.

www.statista.com

Now, we don't have good numbers for 2020 yet, but probably a lot of factors involved there, including the worst recession in 80 years, the worst plauge in 100 years and the worst race riots in 50 years, because "MAGA", I guess.

It's not going to be anwhere near what it was in the Aughts or the nineties, though.

One could equally argue that legal abortion caused a dip in crime. The crime rate started going down 1991, when it peaked... This would be 18 years the first wave of unwanted kids ended up in the bottom of medical waste containers after Roe v. Wade.

Abortion brought down the Crime rate... Hurray for Abortion!!!!

Makes about as much sense as your gun theories.

Conversely, the number really starts declining after 1993, which is when Clinton got the Brady Bill passed.

 

[2aguy]

By that logic, Men constitute 88% of those arrested for murder. Maybe we should ban men from owning guns.

When the most violent group in society interacts with police, they are going to cause more problems for the police, you idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

When the most violent group in society interacts with police, they are going to cause more problems for the police, you idiot.

Hey, Dick Tiny, tell us how not racist you are again, that shit never gets old.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong again... Crime is at all time lows up until 2019.

Reported violent crime rate in the U.S. 2022 | Statista

In 2022, the violent crime rate in the United States was 369.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.

www.statista.com

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Now, we don't have good numbers for 2020 yet, but probably a lot of factors involved there, including the worst recession in 80 years, the worst plauge in 100 years and the worst race riots in 50 years, because "MAGA", I guess.

It's not going to be anwhere near what it was in the Aughts or the nineties, though.

One could equally argue that legal abortion caused a dip in crime. The crime rate started going down 1991, when it peaked... This would be 18 years the first wave of unwanted kids ended up in the bottom of medical waste containers after Roe v. Wade.

Abortion brought down the Crime rate... Hurray for Abortion!!!!

Makes about as much sense as your gun theories.

Conversely, the number really starts declining after 1993, which is when Clinton got the Brady Bill passed.

Wrong, shithead........

But thanks for proving my point....

More and more Americans were out buying and carrying guns....and the crime rate kept going down....gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%...

As more Americans owned and carried guns, you moron.....you just showed, thank you, that gun ownership does not increase crime, gun crime or gun murder.....

You idiot.

Guns in the hands of normal people do not increase gun crime....you doofus...and you just proved it.....on your own.

Meanwhile, the democrat party began their war on the police...beginning in 2015.....and went into over drive with blm in 2019.......you doofus.......

When you attack the police, scream about taking their funding, and wrongfully accuse police of crimes....they pull back...and stop policing, so that they don't lose their jobs, and their pensions...

That is what caused the crime increase...the democrat party war on police...

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Hey, Dick Tiny, tell us how not racist you are again, that shit never gets old.

Racism has nothing to do with it...statistics, you doofus...

Black men make up 7% of the population but commit over 50% of the murders.....the black family has been destroyed by the democrat party.....fatherless boys are the cause of crime.....fatherless as a result of democrat party policies.....

 

[surada]

Hey, Dick Tiny, tell us how not racist you are again, that shit never gets old.

Atlanta has had over 100 murders so far this year.. The data says the murder rate is up 17%..

The demographics aren't good ...

 

[2aguy]

Wrong again... Crime is at all time lows up until 2019.

Reported violent crime rate in the U.S. 2022 | Statista

In 2022, the violent crime rate in the United States was 369.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.

www.statista.com

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Now, we don't have good numbers for 2020 yet, but probably a lot of factors involved there, including the worst recession in 80 years, the worst plauge in 100 years and the worst race riots in 50 years, because "MAGA", I guess.

It's not going to be anwhere near what it was in the Aughts or the nineties, though.

One could equally argue that legal abortion caused a dip in crime. The crime rate started going down 1991, when it peaked... This would be 18 years the first wave of unwanted kids ended up in the bottom of medical waste containers after Roe v. Wade.

Abortion brought down the Crime rate... Hurray for Abortion!!!!

Makes about as much sense as your gun theories.

Conversely, the number really starts declining after 1993, which is when Clinton got the Brady Bill passed.

Conversely, the number really starts declining after 1993, which is when Clinton got the Brady Bill passed.

The Brady Bill didn't stop any criminal from getting a gun, you doofus...and again....

More Americans bought and carried guns, against everything you say will happen.........and the gun crime rate went down 75%.....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....

So by your very own posts you prove that guns in the hands of normal people do not increase any crime....you idiot.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Atlanta has had over 100 murders so far this year.. The data says the murder rate is up 17%..

The demographics aren't good ...

Atlanta....democrat party controlled since 1879.....

List of mayors of Atlanta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong, shithead........

But thanks for proving my point....

More and more Americans were out buying and carrying guns....and the crime rate kept going down....gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%...

As more Americans owned and carried guns, you moron.....you just showed, thank you, that gun ownership does not increase crime, gun crime or gun murder.....

Actually, gun ownership has DECLINED.

Now, yeah, there are more guns out there, because the gun nuts are stockpiling.

 

[JoeB131]

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

Actually, police numbers haven't declined.

Police Say Demoralized Officers Are Quitting In Droves. Labor Data Says No.

While other industries were devastated by the pandemic last year, police departments felt a much smaller impact.

www.themarshallproject.org

And most gun murderers kill people they know...

 

[2aguy]

Actually, gun ownership has DECLINED.
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Now, yeah, there are more guns out there, because the gun nuts are stockpiling.

Wrong...shithead...the GSS is a lie...the guys in charge use it to influence, not track, policy....

Gun-Homicide Rate Decreased as Gun Ownership Increased

Based on data from a 2012 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report(and additional data from another Wonkblog article “There are now more guns than people in the United States”), the number of privately owned firearms in U.S. increased from about 185 million in 1993 to 357 million in 2013.

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https://crimeresearch.org/2020/08/r...-guns-have-bought-one-in-the-last-six-months/

A new Rasmussen Report survey shows that 47 percent of American households own a gun, with 5 percent either not sure/refusing to answer the question.

Assuming that 47 percent of those who aren’t sure or refusing to answer whether they own a gun actually do, half of American households own guns. (The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted August 5, 2020 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.)
While men were more likely than women to own a gun (54 to 41 percent) and whites were more likely than blacks (50 to 26 percent), those differences appear to be shrinking. Twenty-seven percent of household have bought a gun in the last five months. Women were more likely than men to buy a gun (32 to 23 percent), blacks were much more likely than whites (47 to 22 percent), and the young were much more likely than old (42 percent for those 18 to 39 versus 20 percent for those 40 to 64 and just 12 percent for those 65 and older).
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Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

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Gun industry, Bloomberg media square off over female gun owner data

Putting a pin in the balloon of rising female gun ownership, the Trace, a journalism start up funded by Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety, consulted the General Social Survey. A project of the University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center, the GSS has conducted a sociological survey since 1972 to collect historical data on everything from government spending to race relations.

When it comes to gun ownership by women, the pollsters noted the number has averaged about 11 percent over the past three decades with slight dips, to as low as 9.1 percent in 1989, and slight increases, to as high as 13.7 percent in 1982.

“There’s been no meaningful directional change in the percent of women owning guns,” said Tom Smith, the director of the GSS.

However, the National Shooting Sports Foundation on Thursday posted a rebuttal to the article, citing the GSS itself was flawed when it came to gun data– much as they did last yearwhen the survey noted a decline in gun ownership numbers despite eight straight years of increasing firearms sales that set all-time records.

The NSSF contends GSS isn’t actually counting the number of firearms in each household. Rather it is enumerating the number of individuals willing to talk to a stranger at their front door about how many firearms they own. The two concepts, holds the trade group, are vastly different.

“It is a staple of gun control politics to work to diminish both the size and the ever increasing diversity of the firearm-owning American citizenry,” noted Larry Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. “The Trace provides just the latest example.”

Besides noting the trade group’s own studies in female gun ownership rates, the NSSF also bemoaned the outlet for discounting previous articles in the mainstream media.

“The Trace also asks its readers to discount CBS News, Fox News, Ad Age and dozens of local reporters nationwide (collectively, a ‘credulous press’) who have actually gone to firearms retailers and ranges to report that they see evidence of more and more women buying guns and taking up target shooting as a recreational activity,” wrote Keane.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, police numbers haven't declined.

Police Say Demoralized Officers Are Quitting In Droves. Labor Data Says No.

While other industries were devastated by the pandemic last year, police departments felt a much smaller impact.

www.themarshallproject.org

And most gun murderers kill people they know...

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You troll....

Gang members know the rival gang members they shoot, the drug dealer stealing the cash and drugs of another dealer also knows that dealer....you moron.

 

[Blues Man]

Wow, seriously, man, get help.



Naw, man, I don't worry about Holmes himself... he's in prison. I worry about the NEXT one, who has everyone in his life knowing he is crazy, and he's able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun anyway.

So you dream about the dicks of guys you don't know.

Got it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Concealed carry had no causal effect on crime rates, clearly something else is driving it.

Given the sharp decline in WV after the 2016 law was passed, compared to the shallow decline at the national level, how do you reach this conclusion?

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong...shithead...the GSS is a lie...the guys in charge use it to influence, not track, policy....

Actually, no. Gun ownership really has declined. For instance, my dad was an avid hunter and hand a lot of rifles, and so did most of his friends. My generation, very few own guns, very few hunt.

This was part of the Gun Industry's dilema. When murdering small animals stopped being seen as a "sport" and started being seen as "cruelty to animals", the gun industry had a problem. They needed to find new markets... and that market ended up being crazy people who stockpile guns because they want to fight the government and those gangs of criminals they think lurk behind every corner.

Gang members know the rival gang members they shoot, the drug dealer stealing the cash and drugs of another dealer also knows that dealer....you moron.

Yawn, only 2000 homicides are year are classified as "Gang Related', which means someone involved had an affiliation with a gang. The other 17,000 aren't.

So you dream about the dicks of guys you don't know.

Got it.

Little projection going on there? Sorry, man, you aren't my type.

 

[Blues Man]

Actually, no. Gun ownership really has declined. For instance, my dad was an avid hunter and hand a lot of rifles, and so did most of his friends. My generation, very few own guns, very few hunt.

This was part of the Gun Industry's dilema. When murdering small animals stopped being seen as a "sport" and started being seen as "cruelty to animals", the gun industry had a problem. They needed to find new markets... and that market ended up being crazy people who stockpile guns because they want to fight the government and those gangs of criminals they think lurk behind every corner.




Yawn, only 2000 homicides are year are classified as "Gang Related', which means someone involved had an affiliation with a gang. The other 17,000 aren't.



Little projection going on there? Sorry, man, you aren't my type.

Says the guy who obsesses over dicks

 

[2aguy]

Actually, no. Gun ownership really has declined. For instance, my dad was an avid hunter and hand a lot of rifles, and so did most of his friends. My generation, very few own guns, very few hunt.

This was part of the Gun Industry's dilema. When murdering small animals stopped being seen as a "sport" and started being seen as "cruelty to animals", the gun industry had a problem. They needed to find new markets... and that market ended up being crazy people who stockpile guns because they want to fight the government and those gangs of criminals they think lurk behind every corner.




Yawn, only 2000 homicides are year are classified as "Gang Related', which means someone involved had an affiliation with a gang. The other 17,000 aren't.



Little projection going on there? Sorry, man, you aren't my type.

Moron...I showed you the research...it hasn't declined.

What has declined?

Americans who own guns talking to anonymous strangers on the phone......because we have already seen shitheads like you trying to get access to any records on these people so you can put them out into public...so they can be targeted by thieves and democrat party terrorists...

 

[JoeB131]

Moron...I showed you the research...it hasn't declined.

What has declined?

Americans who own guns talking to anonymous strangers on the phone......because we have already seen shitheads like you trying to get access to any records on these people so you can put them out into public...so they can be targeted by thieves and democrat party terrorists...

Wait, guy, I thought that you all said guns in the home DETERRED bad guys.

Frankly, I think we need a Megan's list equivalent for gun owners so sensible parents don't send little Timmy over to his friend's gun nut parents house.

 

[hadit]

Blacks represent 13% of the population and 30% of the people shot by police.

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You know about statistics. What you posted could easily be used to demonstrate why it's a good idea to be armed. You're less likely to be shot by the police.

 

[2aguy]

You know about statistics. What you posted could easily be used to demonstrate why it's a good idea to be armed. You're less likely to be shot by the police.

Black men are 7% of the population but commit over 50 % of the murders….thanks to the democrat party destruction of the black family