West Bank is a fragmented mess

[Rigby5]

It would be Palestinian territory today had they accepted Partition. They rejected it. So its not their territory.

It is their territory by natural rights of the individuals who are native.
Those rights are not dependent upon who claims to be the government.
The natives ARE the owners inherently, and it has NOTHING at all to do with treaties, the UN, or anything else.

The only REAL factor you can bring up is if you were BORN there.
If born there, then you would also be a native and have natural rights as well.
And you would not inherit the sins of your ancestors.
That would not be ethical.
So then you might have a case.

 

[shoshi]

It is their territory by natural rights of the individuals who are native.
Those rights are not dependent upon who claims to be the government.
The natives ARE the owners inherently, and it has NOTHING at all to do with treaties, the UN, or anything else.

The only REAL factor you can bring up is if you were BORN there.
If born there, then you would also be a native and have natural rights as well.
And you would not inherit the sins of your ancestors.
That would not be ethical.
So then you might have a case.

I was born there. I grew up in Eilat. And I have dined in a Bedouin tent. Negev Bedouins are Israeli citizens.

 

[Rigby5]

They were Hadassah staff you idiot. Not soldiers. And I have no doubt you defend the Ben Yehuda bombing which killed 52 Jews and injured many more. And the Palestine Post bombing as well.

Wrong.
They were heavily armed Haganah.
They tried to shoot their way in with armored vehicles.
A medical team would have instead gone in with British or UN vehicles.
You simply are trying to pass false lies and propaganda.
There was no reason for a medical convoy to Jerusalem, when all the fighting was at the border, way west of the Jerusalem.

{...
On February 22, 1948, three British Army trucks led by an armoured car driven by Arab irregulars and British deserters exploded on Ben Yehuda Street killing from 49 to 58 civilians[1][2] and injuring from 140 to 200.[3][4][5][6] The bomb may have been intended to kill members of the Furmans (Palmach convoy escorts) who lodged in the Atlantic and Amdursky Hotels but had left on patrol shortly beforehand.[7] In addition to the two hotels, the Vilenchick Building and the Kupat-Milveh Bank were destroyed.[7] The bomb had been created by Fawzi al-Qutb. The convoy was led by a Jerusalemite militant, 'Azmi al-Ja'uni, who spoke fluent English and could pass himself off as a British officer.[4] Two British deserters, Eddie Brown, a police captain who claimed that the Irgun had killed his brother, and Peter Madison, an army corporal, had been persuaded to join the attack, also by the promise of substantial financial rewards.[8]
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Why would British soldiers, (deserters or not), have blown themselves up in order to attack Jews in the Old Quarter?
Obviously it was fake.
It was likely ordered by David ben Gurion or Chaim Weizmann, in order to whip up war propaganda.

You either are very naive, or lying.

Arabs would not have attacked the Old Quarter because the majority of the residents of the Old Quarter are Arab.

 

[Rigby5]

I was born there. I grew up in Eilat. And I have dined in a Bedouin tent. Negev Bedouins are Israeli citizens.

Bedouins are not actually Arabs, but related to the Berbers who were at one time the Egyptian pharaohs.
They are not sedentary, so are not considered a risk to Israeli ambitions.
But Bedouins are still not treated well by Israel.
Over a million Arab Moslems are considered Israeli citizens, but they are still abused, not allowed to use schools, hospital, roads, etc., designated exclusively for Jews.
And they still have their properties illegally confiscated.

 

[shoshi]

Wrong.
They were heavily armed Haganah.
They tried to shoot their way in with armored vehicles.
A medical team would have instead gone in with British or UN vehicles.
You simply are trying to pass false lies and propaganda.
There was no reason for a medical convoy to Jerusalem, when all the fighting was at the border, way west of the Jerusalem.

{...
On February 22, 1948, three British Army trucks led by an armoured car driven by Arab irregulars and British deserters exploded on Ben Yehuda Street killing from 49 to 58 civilians[1][2] and injuring from 140 to 200.[3][4][5][6] The bomb may have been intended to kill members of the Furmans (Palmach convoy escorts) who lodged in the Atlantic and Amdursky Hotels but had left on patrol shortly beforehand.[7] In addition to the two hotels, the Vilenchick Building and the Kupat-Milveh Bank were destroyed.[7] The bomb had been created by Fawzi al-Qutb. The convoy was led by a Jerusalemite militant, 'Azmi al-Ja'uni, who spoke fluent English and could pass himself off as a British officer.[4] Two British deserters, Eddie Brown, a police captain who claimed that the Irgun had killed his brother, and Peter Madison, an army corporal, had been persuaded to join the attack, also by the promise of substantial financial rewards.[8]
...}

Why would British soldiers, (deserters or not), have blown themselves up in order to attack Jews in the Old Quarter?
Obviously it was fake.
It was likely ordered by David ben Gurion or Chaim Weizmann, in order to whip up war propaganda.

You either are very naive, or lying.

Arabs would not have attacked the Old Quarter because the majority of the residents of the Old Quarter are Arab.

You are a fool or propagandist or both. Ben Yehuda street is not the old quarter. Its in the downtown business district. Abd al-Qadir leader of the Mufti's Army claimed responsibility for the attack. Even other Arab leaders condemned it.

 

[shoshi]

al-Qadir a member of the al Husayni clan was later killed at the battle for Kastel.

 

[Rigby5]

You are a fool or propagandist or both. Ben Yehuda street is not the old quarter. Its in the downtown business district. Abd al-Qadir leader of the Mufti's Army claimed responsibility for the attack. Even other Arab leaders condemned it.

To claim there was a Mufti's Army is absurd.
The previous Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had been very anti Jewish, but had been forced to flee years earlier.
{...
When Kamil al-Husayni died in 1921, the British High Commissioner Herbert Samuel appointed Mohammad Amin al-Husayni to the position. Amin al-Husayni, a member of the al-Husayni family of Jerusalem, was an Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in the British Mandate of Palestine. As Grand Mufti and leader in the Arab Higher Committee, especially during the war period 1938-45, al-Husayni played a key role in violent opposition to Zionism and closely allied himself with the Nazi regime in Germany.[5][6] In 1948, after Jordan occupied Jerusalem, Abdullah I of Jordan officially removed al-Husayni from the post, banned him from entering Jerusalem, and appointed Hussam Al-din Jarallah as Grand Mufti.
...}
It was Mohammad Amin al-Husayni who was anti Jewish, and the British were trying to arrest him by then.
After Jordan occupied Jerusalem, there was no danger at all to Jews.

Ben Yehuda street is right near the entrance to the Old Quarter.
It is the business district, and is NOT a Jewish district.
No Arab would have bombed it.
The Abd al-Qadir could not have done it or claimed responsibility for it.
It is all a lie.

 

[Rigby5]

They were Hadassah staff you idiot. Not soldiers. And I have no doubt you defend the Ben Yehuda bombing which killed 52 Jews and injured many more. And the Palestine Post bombing as well.

Armored and armed vehicles are not Hadassah medical staff.
They were immediately stopped and only got through by murdering the border guards.
The claim they were unarmed is just a lie.
Look at the image again.
Does that armored vehicle look medical to you?

 

[shoshi]

To claim there was a Mufti's Army is absurd.
The previous Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had been very anti Jewish, but had been forced to flee years earlier.
{...
When Kamil al-Husayni died in 1921, the British High Commissioner Herbert Samuel appointed Mohammad Amin al-Husayni to the position. Amin al-Husayni, a member of the al-Husayni family of Jerusalem, was an Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in the British Mandate of Palestine. As Grand Mufti and leader in the Arab Higher Committee, especially during the war period 1938-45, al-Husayni played a key role in violent opposition to Zionism and closely allied himself with the Nazi regime in Germany.[5][6] In 1948, after Jordan occupied Jerusalem, Abdullah I of Jordan officially removed al-Husayni from the post, banned him from entering Jerusalem, and appointed Hussam Al-din Jarallah as Grand Mufti.
...}
It was Mohammad Amin al-Husayni who was anti Jewish, and the British were trying to arrest him by then.
After Jordan occupied Jerusalem, there was no danger at all to Jews.

Ben Yehuda street is right near the entrance to the Old Quarter.
It is the business district, and is NOT a Jewish district.
No Arab would have bombed it.
The Abd al-Qadir could not have done it or claimed responsibility for it.
It is all a lie.

Yes he did idiot. He told the Egyptian newspaper al Ahram he did it.

Haj Amin was forced to flee for directing a terror campaign against Arabs as well as Jews but he was still the spiritual leader of his Army of Holy War. Do your research sometime.

 

[shoshi]

Armored and armed vehicles are not Hadassah medical staff.
They were immediately stopped and only got through by murdering the border guards.
The claim they were unarmed is just a lie.
Look at the image again.
Does that armored vehicle look medical to you?

That is not from the Hadassah convoy. The Hadassah convoy were hospital workers not soldiers. To claim otherwise is all lies. Among the dead were doctors including Albert Ticho who had treated many Arabs. Many nurses and paramedics were killed.

 

[shoshi]

After the ben Yehuda bombing a leaflet signed by Abd al Qadir was distributed in which he claimed his responsibility. He later told Egyptian newspaper al Ahram he was responsible for it. Anyone with a basic knowledge of the history would know that.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes he did idiot. He told the Egyptian newspaper al Ahram he did it.

Haj Amin was forced to flee for directing a terror campaign against Arabs as well as Jews but he was still the spiritual leader of his Army of Holy War. Do your research sometime.

Nonsense.
How would al-Qadir have been able to get British soldiers, deserters or not, to commit suicide?
Impossible.
Nor would any Arab have gained by killing mostly Arabs.
He did not tell anyone in person, anything, and anyone can send a letter claiming anything.

 

[shoshi]

Nonsense.
How would al-Qadir have been able to get British soldiers, deserters or not, to commit suicide?
Impossible.
Nor would any Arab have gained by killing mostly Arabs.
He did not tell anyone in person, anything, and anyone can send a letter claiming anything.

yes he did tell someone in person. According to the Egyptian paper. Neither Brit committed suicide. They both lived while many Jews died.

 

[Rigby5]

That is not from the Hadassah convoy. The Hadassah convoy were hospital workers not soldiers. To claim otherwise is all lies. Among the dead were doctors including Albert Ticho who had treated many Arabs. Many nurses and paramedics were killed.

Wrong.
That armored vehicle IS from the Hadassah convoy that was stopped on its way to Jerusalem.
It came from Wikipedia search on Hadassah convoy massacre.

Hadassah medical convoy massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It clearly was a military convoy, with armored vehicles and lots of fire power, attempting to illegally break the blockade of Jersalem from the Israeli side of the partition.
It was crossing the UN partition, without permission, and was trying to shoot their way in.
All the so called nurses and doctors were fully armed, and could have surrendered at any time.

 

[Rigby5]

After the ben Yehuda bombing a leaflet signed by Abd al Qadir was distributed in which he claimed his responsibility. He later told Egyptian newspaper al Ahram he was responsible for it. Anyone with a basic knowledge of the history would know that.

Anyone with any basic knowledge at all would tell you that anyone can claim anyone else was responsible for a bombing, and it is often really the CIA, the Gestapo, etc., who are really guilty.

 

[shoshi]

Anyone with any basic knowledge at all would tell you that anyone can claim anyone else was responsible for a bombing, and it is often really the CIA, the Gestapo, etc., who are really guilty.

If not responsible why would tell a newspaper that he was?

 

[Rigby5]

If not responsible why would tell a newspaper that he was?

Obviously anyone can pretend to be someone else, in order to get the blame put on an innocent person.
Arabs gained nothing from the bombing that killed mostly Arabs.

 

[shoshi]

Obviously anyone can pretend to be someone else, in order to get the blame put on an innocent person.
Arabs gained nothing from the bombing that killed mostly Arabs.

It was jews who were killed. 52 of them. It is well remembered in Israel today.

 

[shoshi]

To be clear I do not condone what happened at Deir Yassin and neither do most Jews. It was disgraceful.

 

[Rigby5]

It was jews who were killed. 52 of them. It is well remembered in Israel today.

Remembered wrong.
As at the time, David ben Gurion was sure it was the British who he claimed were responsible.

{...
In the ensuing confusion, Jewish residents immediately blamed the British for the attack. David Ben-Gurion, on visiting the site of the carnage, has been cited as putting some responsibility for this Arab attack on the shoulders of Jewish thugs, stating, "I could not forget that our thugs and murderers had opened the way."[10] The Irgun spread word ordering militants to shoot on sight any Englishman.[11] By day's end, eight British soldiers had been shot dead, while a ninth was murdered while laid up in a Jewish clinic for treatment of a wound.[3] Lehi also reacted several days later by blowing up a train full of British soldiers as it drew out of Rehovot station, killing 27.[3]

The day after, on 23 February, a Jewish offensive, deploying mortars, was launched against the Arab neighbourhood of Musrara, in Jerusalem, killing seven Arabs, including an entire family. The Arabs believed it was in revenge for the Ben-Yehuda Street bombing, though, according to Israeli historian Itamar Radai, at the time the Jews and their official institutions blamed only the British for the incident.[12]
...}

And I see nothing claiming the victims were Jewish.
Since the majority of the citizens of Jerusalem were Arab, it is most likely it was more Arabs killed than Jews.