Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[hobelim]

The Jesus of the Bible is the Christ.

I agree!

Except for the sacrificial God/Man crap which is based on the most perverse ignorant literal interpretation of the figurative words used possible (and hidden subjects) written by highly intelligent, dedicated, and ethical authors of scripture to encapsulate and compel the truth unadulterated into the future above the grasp of the perverse.

Listen, as a "believer" I'm sure you wouldn't mind being proven wrong as long as Jesus is proven right which is what I have done but for some mysterious reason the truth remains above your grasp. You have been left behind

You have been denied comprehension by my God, who you apparently despise. Your ego is standing in the way. You lack substance in the fundamental disciplines of honesty and humility required to rise to life from the dead.


Unless you repent for your deception, sorcery, murders and fornication you'll never enter the kingdom of my God.



But don't fret. You can remain under a strange delusion crawl on your belly and eat dust for the rest of your days.

 

[Quantrill]

But you just said before, many times, that you believe in and worship a God/Man. Make up your mind.

Of course. Because the Scriptures show Jesus is the God/Man. See again post #(850).

You sound confused.

Thats a shame

Not at all. (Matt. 16:16-17) is clear. Jesus as revealed in the Bible is the Christ. He is the Sacrificial Jewish Man you call the anti-christ.

So, where is this other jesus you speak of?

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[Quantrill]

I agree!

Except for the sacrificial God/Man crap which is based on the most perverse ignorant literal interpretation of the figurative words used possible (and hidden subjects) written by highly intelligent, dedicated, and ethical authors of scripture to encapsulate and compel the truth unadulterated into the future above the grasp of the perverse.

Listen, as a "believer" I'm sure you wouldn't mind being proven wrong as long as Jesus is proven right which is what I have done but for some mysterious reason the truth remains above your grasp. You have been left behind

You have been denied comprehension by my God, who you apparently despise. Your ego is standing in the way. You lack substance in the fundamental disciplines of honesty and humility required to rise to life from the dead.


Unless you repent for your deception, sorcery, murders and fornication you'll never enter the kingdom of my God.



But don't fret. You can remain under a strange delusion crawl on your belly and eat dust for the rest of your days.

No, you don't agree. Add that to your list of lies. Scripture shows Jesus is the God/Man. Scripture shows Jesus is the Sacrificial Jewish Man Who died on the Cross for the sin of the world.

All that you have proved is that you are a liar and have made up another jesus that fits your perverted thinking. If I have been left behind by you lies and your fake jesus, then being left behind is a good thing.

(Galatians 1:6) "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel."

(Galatians 1:7) "Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ."

(Galatians 1:8) " But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

(Galatians 3:1) "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you."

(Galatians 3:2) "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Your god is not the God of the Bible. Your jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. You are a phony, as your god is a phony, as your jesus is a phony.

Your just another as Paul addressed in (Galatians). Your deception and lies have been around since the time of Christ.

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[hobelim]

So, where is this other jesus you speak of?

If you really were a believer and not just a perverse low life actor and sanctimonious lying fraud this "other Jesus" would be in you and with you and you would not be arguing with me because everything I have made known to you I have drawn from what this "other Jesus", the only real Jesus, taught and you would rise from the dead.

If you don't know where this "other Jesus" is and you want to find him I heard that he was last seen in the clouds.

Look there.

 

[Quantrill]

If you really were a believer and not just a perverse low life actor and sanctimonious lying fraud this "other Jesus" would be in you and with you and you would not be arguing with me because everything I have made known to you I have drawn from what this "other Jesus", the only real Jesus, taught and you would rise from the dead.

If you don't know where this "other Jesus" is and you want to find him I heard that he was last seen in the clouds.

Look there.

Where do you find this other jesus? He is not in the Bible. The Jesus I present is in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. Your other jesus is a fake. Just like you're a fake.

What is the name of your other god? Where are his 'other writings'. Or, can he write at all. I doubt it. He is very small.

You can't support anything from the Bible because the Bible is against you. Paul address those like you in the Book of Galatians. As I showed. Your fake jesus has been around since the days when the real Jesus walked this earth. The counterfeit always exists.

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[hobelim]

Where are his 'other writings

"This, he told me, is the curse that goes forth over the face of the whole earth. For by the writing on one side every thief shall be swept clean away and by the writing on the "other side" every perjurer shall be swept clean away. I have sent it out, says the Lord, and it shall enter the house of the theif and the house of the man who has perjured himself in my name. It shall stay inside that house and demolish it timbers and stones and all."

Does that help?

 

[Quantrill]

"This, he told me, is the curse that goes forth over the face of the whole earth. For by the writing on one side every thief shall be swept clean away and by the writing on the "other side" every perjurer shall be swept clean away. I have sent it out, says the Lord, and it shall enter the house of the theif and the house of the man who has perjured himself in my name. It shall stay inside that house and demolish it timbers and stones and all."

Does that help?

No, that is a Bible verse, though it's plainly mistranslated.

(Zechariah 5:3-4) "Then said he unto me, this is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts...."

As that is a Bible verse, that is not the writing of your god. The Bible is the writing of my God. You reject the God of the Bible. Yet you try and pervert His writings. But, go ahead, and tell me what (Zechariah 5:3-4) means. Who is speaking in (Zechariah 5:3-4)?

Are you saying Jehovah is your god? Is Jehovah speaking in (Zechariah 5:1-4)? Is the Bible the Word of God or not? If it's not the Word of God, why do you claim it as from your god?

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[hobelim]

No, that is a Bible verse,

That Bible verse didn't help you see where those "other" writings that YOU asked about could be found?

Thats a shame.

 

[hobelim]

that is a Bible verse, though it's plainly mistranslated.

(Zechariah 5:3-4) "Then said he unto me, this is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts..

goeth, stealeth, sweareth?

Riight.

 

[Quantrill]

That Bible verse didn't help you see where those "other" writings that YOU asked about could be found?

Thats a shame.

The Bible verse is from the writing of my God, not yours. You reject the Bible and the God of the Bible, yet your pervert His Scriptures and try to use them to support your phony god.

If (Zechariah 5:1-3) is the writing of your god, then tell me what it means. And tell me Who is speaking. And, are those writings the Word of God...phony one.

goeth, stealeth, sweareth?

Riight.

'LORD'. Is the Bible the Word of God? Is Jehovah your god? Is that his name?

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[hobelim]

'LORD'. Is the Bible the Word of God? Is Jehovah your god? Is that his name?

OK so you finally complied with my directive. LORD is as good as Sir. WTF. Have you lost your balls? Go figure!

Anyway, listen up. You are the same guy who said that Christians should SUBMIT to the powers that be. So, according to you, Jesus opened the eyes of the blind only to have them submit to evil knowingly and willingly?

Opening their eyes didn't make them revolt against the powers that be? Maybe you should read a history book.

However, I have to admit, your BS is a very subtle and clever way of luring people to their death you crafty devil.

What a guy!

 

[Quantrill]

OK so you finally complied with my directive. LORD is as good as Sir. WTF. Have you lost your balls? Go figure!

Anyway, listen up. You are the same guy who said that Christians should SUBMIT to the powers that be. So, according to you, Jesus opened the eyes of the blind only to have them submit to evil knowingly and willingly?

Opening their eyes didn't make them revolt against the powers that be? Maybe you should read a history book.

However, I have to admit, your BS is a very subtle and clever way of luring people to their death you crafty devil.

What a guy!

If (Zechariah 5:1-3) is the writing of your god, then tell me what it means. And tell me who is speaking? And, are those writings the Word of God...oh phony one?

I haven't complied with anything you have said. You're such a liar. Is Jehovah your god? You seem to indicate it. Yet you pervert the Scripture...LORD...Jehovah.

Your god is a phony. A product of your making, of your imagination. He can't write and has no writings. You created your god and try and use the Scripture to support him. You're a phony as your god is a phony.

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[hobelim]

Your god is a phony. A product of your making, of your imagination. He can't write and has no writings. You created your god and try and use the Scripture to support him. You're a phony as your god is a phony.

Even if that was true, and it is not, that doesn't detract from the fact that you openly and brazenly advised;


"Christians should SUBMIT to the powers that be".

to which I responded "

So, according to you, Jesus opened the eyes of the blind only to have them submit to evil knowingly and willingly?

However, I have to admit, your BS is a very subtle and clever way of luring people to their death you crafty devil."




I am sorry if my words confounded you, again, but they wouldn't have that effect on you unless it was the truth.

You said that shit. Christians should SUBMIT to the powers that be. No amount of derision can change that fact.

You do have my condolences.

 

[Quantrill]

Even if that was true, and it is not, that doesn't detract from the fact that you openly and brazenly advised;


"Christians should SUBMIT to the powers that be".

to which I responded "

So, according to you, Jesus opened the eyes of the blind only to have them submit to evil knowingly and willingly?

However, I have to admit, your BS is a very subtle and clever way of luring people to their death you crafty devil."




I am sorry if my words confounded you, again, but they wouldn't have that effect on you unless it was the truth.

You said that shit. Christians should SUBMIT to the powers that be. No amount of derision can change that fact.

You do have my condolences.

That has been addressed already. But if you want to go back and start that argument again, give me the post where you say I said that. If you can't/won't give me the post, then you again are full of shit as usual.

Yes, I know you're sorry, that has been proved. But answer my questions anyway. I Don't have to be too clever to reveal you and your god are a phony.

If (Zechariah 5:1-3) is the writing of your god, then tell me what it means? And tell me who is speaking? And are those writings the Word of God...oh phony one? Simple questions.

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[hobelim]

That has been addressed already. But if you want to go back and start that argument again, give me the post where you say I said that.

The Christian is to obey the powers that be. But, when the powers that be go against the commandment of God and order the Christian to obey the government, then the Christian obeys God instead, and suffers the punishment for it. That is submitting to the government

There has never been a time when "the powers that be" have not gone against God. Not to mention that Paul gave that despicable advice to rebelling Christians when Nero was caesar. That is a verifiable irrefutable fact.

The letter of Paul, a Roman shill, was a warning and threat. Submit to Roman authority OR ELSE.

Then Nero organized and started the first of many ruthless Christian persecutions. The faithful wouldn't submit.

So now tell me, Jesus gave sight to the blind, healed the sick, cured the crippled, raised the dead, only to have them intentionally 'obey the powers that be' evil with their eyes wide open which amounts to intentional sin?

The penalty of which is "the death", a curse?

I don't think so, you crafty devil!

I know that Jesus died trying to make everyone see in order to fight the powers that be.

 

[Quantrill]

There has never been a time when "the powers that be" have not gone against God. Not to mention that Paul gave that despicable advice to rebelling Christians when Nero was caesar. That is a verifiable irrefutable fact.

The letter of Paul, a Roman shill, was a warning and threat. Submit to Roman authority OR ELSE.

Then Nero organized and started the first of many ruthless Christian persecutions. The faithful wouldn't submit.

So now tell me, Jesus gave sight to the blind, healed the sick, cured the crippled, raised the dead, only to have them intentionally 'obey the powers that be' evil with their eyes wide open which amounts to intentional sin?

The penalty of which is "the death", a curse?

I don't think so, you crafty devil!

I know that Jesus died trying to make everyone see in order to fight the powers that be.

That's post #(757).

I addressed your complaint there. I supported it with Scripture. If you have anything to disagree with the Scripture, provide something other than your bullshit.

Now, if (Zechariah 5:1-3) is the writing of your god, then tell me what it means? And tell me who is speaking? And are those writings the Word of God, oh phony one? What is the name of this phony god you say to represent?

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[toobfreak]

I don't need a grasp of scientific knowledge to know that I believe the Scripture instead of your so called scientific knowledge.

Well, maybe you kinda do. You see, I believe scripture, but I also know that scientific facts are verified and proven facts. So, it helps a lot to understand science and why we know what we know.

At best, we take Scripture at its word, but science is cross-referenced and proven many different ways and cross-verified by many people.

 

[Quantrill]

Well, maybe you kinda do. You see, I believe scripture, but I also know that scientific facts are verified and proven facts. So, it helps a lot to understand science and why we know what we know.

At best, we take Scripture at its word, but science is cross-referenced and proven many different ways and cross-verified by many people.

Oh...you believe the Scripture. That is interesting. At present, I don't believe you.

So, you take Scripture at it's Word, as the Word of God? Is the Bible the Word of God?

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[toobfreak]

Oh...you believe the Scripture. That is interesting.

Surprised? When I was ten years old, I was going to Sunday school and could recite all of the books of the Bible in order. From there, I actually went to school for God, studied the entire theological field, but I also know science and understand the immutable reasons why we know certain things like the age of rocks, bones, stars and such.

So, you take Scripture at it's Word, as the Word of God?

No, the Scripture is the work of man supposedly taken from the word of god. Much of it is historical such as people and places, times and events, but the first part taken from the Torah about 3500 years ago is subject to interpretation as mythological at best, written to give the Bible a foundation, a beginning, within the ken of the very limited understanding of the people of the time.

It is not a matter of either/or. Science is science so unavoidably right, but scripture is immutable, up to the point where it conflicts with known, proven and verified science.

 

[hobelim]

I addressed your complaint there. I supported it with Scripture. If you have anything to disagree with the Scripture, provide something other than your bullshit.

No need. You have provided the evidence that support my conclusions. You brazenly defy the Law of God at mass, by turning to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life, and openly desecrate the words of Jesus (The Actual Body of Christ) by misleading others into "just believing" that spiritual life can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food one day and flushed down the toilet the next. A vile and degrading practice.

You have your reward already! Death, descent into Hell, and final destruction unless you repent. I see you don't have the morals, ethics, honesty or humility to rise from the dead so enjoy your delusions for the rest of your days

Don't let the fact that your sin is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field disturb your delusion. You will be an object lesson for everyone on earth who has the intelligence of a second grade student.