Ever notice that MW increase advocates pretend that states and cities can't set their own MW higher than the federal, and often do? IOW, why are they yammering at Washington when they really need to yell at their local legislators? It would be a lot easier to get some traction if they did.But Americans have short memories. Bush 1 sucked, 8 years later we nominated his son. What harm could he do right the economy was booming. Then 8 years later we forgot made the same mistake only this time it was Hillary and Trump.11 of the last 12 recession were under GOP presidents.More excuses form the party of excuses.Scratch at the surface of a bumper sticker argument and the whole thing falls apart. You can play D president good, R president bad all day long if you want, but it doesn't change the very real reality to Bubba had no natural disaster or foreign attack on America to worry about, plus the .com revolution to ride, so as long as the Republican Congress kept him in check, the economy did quite well. Bush had to deal with the first successful attack on mainland America since 1812, something you seem to think was inconsequential for the country, and TRUMP! had a roaring economy with record low unemployment before a natural disaster struck, another thing you seem to think inconsequential for the country. Keep scratching at your bumper stickers, though, you might learn something.I know, I look at policy and results and the results of Bush and Trump were abhorrently terrible, and failed. Bush and Trump have the worst results out of any presidents in US history. Bush and Trump left office with record low approval ratings, and the country in total crisis.That wooshing sound was the point sailing over your head, namely that kneejerk D president good, R president bad doesn't really do much to tell you why the economy is good or bad at any given time. Bumper sticker arguments, here we go.FACT the same GOP congress under "Bubba" spent wildly wasting trillions of $ and destroying "Bubbas" balanced budgets. Bubba would have controlled that, and did control that hence the balanced budget...So what? Obviously, you don't understand economics or want to scratch below the surface of bumper sticker arguments. Fact, post WWII we were the only major industrial nation on the planet not partially or totally destroyed by the war. Of course we would have a great economy, because we were making the stuff the world wanted, demand was high, and when demand is high prices and wages can be too. Fact, the .com boom was huge and required a great deal of infrastructure to be invested in and built. Of course that would create a great economy. Fact, the WTC was destroyed by an enemy attack. Of course the economy is going to suffer after that as Americans had to face the reality that they could be attacked by a determined enemy and the old way of looking at the world wasn't going to work any more. Fact, we had a booming economy before idiots decided the best way to quarantine sick people was to make healthy people lose their jobs.So what? Look at the great economy Obama handed Trump and look what he did with it. He caused yet another great recession with his handling of Corona.Do you remember what new technology was developed during that time? Hint, Algore tried to claim he invented it.We had a great economy in the Bill Clinton 90s and that was after read my lips hw bush no new taxes raised taxes. A decade of prosperity.Ummm...try again, jackass. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...f-coronavirus-in-bidens-first-month-in-office
Because nothing says "exploding economy like rising taxes and energy costs.When covid is gone the economy will explode!!! Welcome to the new roaring 20s!! Another Clinton style Golden Age.
Time for the excuses and the crying from the Trumpers...
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
Fact, your antipathy toward anything and anyone Republican will cause you to ignore these other facts and repeat your mantra. It wasn't a coincidence that Bubba plus a Republican Congress produced the most nearly balanced federal budget in decades. It certainly would not have happened with a democrat Congress.
Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surplus and turned that into a total financial meltdown (enter more excuses...) and it was all 100% from GOP and their policy, plans, and spending. And failed war (let's not forget about the failed war...)
FACT, Trump fucked up covid 20 different ways and lost the election because of it. "we're rounding the curve" "this is nothing it will all go away"
FACT Biden's covid plan, while very simple, is the complete opposite of Trump's. He actually takes covid seriously and has simple yet effective counter measures, like not hosting super-spreader events and wondering why covid cases are at and all time high???
Both Bush and Trump were terrible and fsailed presidents. Their results were terrible, much worse than Clinton or Obama, and they left office with the US in crisis and meltdown, with record low job approvals.
You can make any lame excuses you want, and you can type any lies you want. BUT you can't change history and results. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surpluss and he passed of a destroyed country with 2 losing wars and a total economic meltdown. Trump inherited a solid country with plenty of room to grow and he passed of a shit show disaster-fuck mess, with a net loss of 3 million jobs, epic deficits, and a virus spreading rapidly with cases at all time highs pretty much the day he left office...
The life of a republican is making pathetic excuses like a little bitch.
All you do is make excuses as to why all the great success under democrats is luck, and why all the many multiple failures and the GOP and Bush and Trump are somehow not their fault.
It's always somebody else's fault with you people. It's always coincidence that the democrats have better results.
Maybe Bush should have not wasted $trillions on useless spending bills...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have fucked up those 2 wars...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have been a sleep at the switch when the economy was crashing...
Maybe Trump should have taken the virus seriously
Maybe Trump should have just worn a fucking mask and not had like 100+ super-spreader events, rallies, holiday parties etc.
Maybe trump shouldn't have incited a riot at the capitol based on fabricated lies...
Funny how covid cases drop rapidly when Biden comes in and promotes mask wearing and stops all the Trump super-spreader events...
You conveniently leave out those little facts...
You try to act like Bush's repeated fuck ups aren't his fault, when they are.
You try to act like trump's repeated fuck up aren't his fault, when they are...
Remember Trump told them the stock market would fall apart if Biden won?
Republican Presidents Aren't So Great For The Stock Market, Actually
It's highly unlikely stocks will "disintegrate and disappear" if Joe Biden takes over in 2020, as Donald Trump claims.www.huffpost.com
According to a survey by Hartford Funds, 47% of investors also believe that a Republican president is better for investments, while 37% believe a Democrat is better.
But looking at history, the association of a Republican president with better stock market performance is not steeped in reality. Here’s what’s really the case.
Historically, the stock market performs better under Democrats.
since 1945, the S&P 500 has averaged an annual gain of 11.2% when Democrats controlled the White House, versus an average 6.9% gain under Republicans.
The average annual U.S. GDP growth rate was 3.6% under Democrats and 2.6% under Republicans.
Even if you exclude the Great Recession and COVID-19 pandemic ― both of which occurred while a Republican was in office ― the data still shows stronger performance when Democrats occupied the White House.
“Corporate and income tax cuts tend to have a muted immediate effect on the economy, [while] government spending on items such as infrastructure, unemployment benefits and food stamps tends to have a greater impact,”
A new report says Biden would be best for the economy.
Historical data aside, how might the 2020 election result affect the economy as a whole? A new analysis from economists Mark Zandi and Bernard Yaros of Moody’s Analytics says Joe Biden would have a stronger impact on the economy than Trump as president.
“Largely because of Biden’s substantially more expansive fiscal policies, the economy would return to full employment more quickly coming out of the pandemic than under Trump,” the report said. “Biden’s reversal of Trump’s policies on foreign trade and immigration would also contribute to stronger economic growth, so that by the end of their terms in 2024, real GDP would be $960 billion, or 4.5%, larger under Biden than Trump.”
That would translate to 7.4 million more jobs under Biden than Trump, according to the report.
EVERY SINGLE GOP PRESIDENT SINCE ROOSVELT HAS HAD A RECESSION.
The GOP record is abhorrently bad.
Republicans forget in 2019 Trump started a trade war and only had 2.3% growth and economists said a recession was coming in 2020 because of his trade war. Trump's massive tax breaks did not deliver as promised. We should have had 8 great years of growth after those tax breaks but as we said trickle down doesn't work. The rich don't just hire more people because they have more money. They sock it away. Sure they spend some too but it'd be better to give the middle class the tax breaks. That will benefit everyone including the rich because we spend that money.
No middle class doesn't need a tax cut.
The middle class and poor need their wages increased.
The federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour and has not been increased since the bush boy years. No one can live on 7.25 an hour in America.
The government isn't supposed to pay people at a private company. The government isn't supposed to provide public assistance to those working at a private company because they aren't paid enough.
The government is supposed to make sure that employers pay people a living wage.
Tax cuts won't raise anyone's wages to a living wage.
Raising the minimum wage will.
When did people get the idea that it's government's job to pay people and provide public assistance so people can get by?
Whatever happened to employers paying their employees a living wage?
When did it become ok for employers to reap billions while their employees are on public assistance because they aren't being paid enough to live?
Talk about a big nanny government.
"We're Rounding the Curve!!!!" for real this time...
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US daily covid cases peaked as Trump was leaving office...
Biden has a simple covid plan, wear masks, social distance, wash hands and DO NOT politicize wask wearing, hold super spreader events, dumb ass rallies, and stupid holiday parties.
Funny how effective that is... US covid cases have been dropping since Biden took over, and no it isn't from the vaccine. That is a 2 shot vaccine and Trump only delivered a meager 9 million shots.
We are beating covid for the first time because Biden has a simple plan to stop it's spread with masks and social distancing and no superspreader events AND a plan to quickly distribute the vaccine.
When covid is gone the economy will explode!!! Welcome to the new roaring 20s!! Another Clinton style Golden Age.
Time for the excuses and the crying from the Trumpers...
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
Sorry, but your check from the Cadre payroll dept. has been delayed, due to our employees in Peking being hospitalized from Covid.
MarathonMike
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Uh Oh! Tampa Bay fans running wild in the streets without masks! No social distancing! Hundreds of spontaneous super spreader events all over the country! Oh how could Biden let this happen?
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You mean when you give a bunch of billionaire corporations more money either directly or by giving money to those that pay in so they will spend taxpayers money that this pushes up the GDP? Atleast temporary?First quarter GDP estimated at 5%. Better than ANY under the Dotard.
Thanks President Biden!
Goldman Sachs upgrades Q1 2021 GDP forecast to 5% after $900 billion stimulus bill passed
Goldman had expected a $700 billion stimulus bill that didn't include a second round of stimulus checks to be enacted after Joe Biden's inauguration.www.businessinsider.com
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Ahhh, the 1st original headgear worn by Democrats....perfect, fits your projection.
easyt65
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Getting exposed as a liar stings like a bitch, doesn't it, snowflake. YOU said Trump NEVER endorsed wearing a mask - YOU LIED!
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Awwwww. the snowflake still hasn't gotten over the 2000 Loss, let alone the 2016 Loss.75% of them truly believe the election was stolen last year when all the shit they claim happened to them, they did to Al Gore in 2000. Throwing out votes for hanging chads, rioting to stop the recount, rigged diebold voting machines.That dumb fucking moron just had the audacity to say that Trump and republicans endorsed mask wearing because Trump made like 1 statement saying "wear a mask", then he went out and held his super-spreader events.Trump compared wearing a mask to wearing a purse.wait wait wait, because Trump said a handful of times wear a mask, you take that as having a pro mask policy.Says the rabid, TDS-suffering, 'Orange Man Bad' snowflake who has yet to postthe 1st article and instead has chosen to stick with propaganda and opinion......
I will admit, I was wrong about the number of vaccines delivered uynder Trump - 9 Million+, which is more than enought odestroy Biden's lie that Trump had no plan...along with the article about how Biden did what Biden does best: Plagiarize, stealoing from Trump's plan and adopting it as his own. I admit my mistakes...do YOU? My bet is NO!
You posted a long laundry list of bullshit, and i have no intention of going through your complete luandry list of talking points and lies....
So allow me to help you destroy your credibility
CNBC calls you a 'Liar', as it documents how President Trump DID call for wearing masks.
President Trump urges Americans to wear masks to contain the coronavirus outbreak
Trump's comments come after the president has sent mixed messages for months on whether he supports the use of masks as a public health intervention to prevent the spread of the virus.www.cnbc.com
'B...B...BUT......' - Let's hear the excuses...or admit you were wrong about THIS.
Because there are more times Trump has mocked people for wearing a mask. AND Trump and republicans politicized mask wearing.
How many GOP politicians fought mask wearing? How many tweetd "Be brave" while not wearing a mask. How many super spreader maskless events did Trump have? (alot) How many did Biden have? (none)
You just hit exactly why Trump failed, and why Trumpers are detached from reality. Trump and the GOP repeatedly promoted no mask wearing, and repeatedly held super-spreader events where nobody wore masks, then Trump makes a handful of statements about wearing a mask and you somehow try to say that Trump and GOP promoted masks???
Are you fucking stupid??? Republicans openly rebelled against mask wearing, and if you can't admit that then the debate is over.
Pretty much Trump and the GOP did everything to possible to NOT wear masks, then Trump says a couple of time "wear a mask" and you try and spin that as Trump promoting masks.
You just summed up exactly why you are pathetic.
You are the first retard republican I hav met that tried to claim Trump and republicans were/are pro-masks.
I finally found a mask Republicans feel is acceptable
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Easyt65 is a new kind of stupid. these people are so gullible, they believe any lie Trump tells them.
But funny they wouldn't believe back then but today somehow now all the things we said they did in 2000 suddenly DID happen to them last year, without evidence.
It's more fun talking to them when we are in charge huh?
Bwuhahahahahaha
easyt65
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Obama was the most criminal President to ever step foot in the WH, officially named the most criminally non-compliant President in US history in regards to adhering to the FOIA and FRA. He illegally spied on everyone, weaponized the IRS and used it against American citizens, and his entire career he armed, trained, funded, supplied, defended, and protected world-wide terrorists - even pimped out our military to Al Qaeda and interfered in other nations' elections t ohelpthem take over governments, even allied governments. (Snowflakes believe Democrats would not rig / cheat in our own elections despite Barry interfering in multiple elections of our allies, helping the terrorist Mulsim Brotherhood take over allied Egypt.
)Obama violated both Constitution and US Law as President, Un-Constitutionally negotiated his own treaties, made his own law through EOs - not as many as Joe, who bypassed Congress to rule by pasing over 40 EOs in 10 days, more than the last 6 Presidents COMBINED.
In his last year, it has been proven, Barry and his criminal administration colluded Hillary, Russia, and Foreign ex-spies to acquire and intentionally used propaganda authored by the Ruyssian Intel Service to open an illegal investigation, the foundation for barry'ds failed political coup attempt, one of many Democrat failed coup attempts over.
Barry was given a Nobel Peace Prize for 'Potential' he never lived up to, as during his Presidency he ran weapons to terrorists and Mexican Drug Cartels, dragged the US into AlQaeda's military take-over of Libya, and committed a United Nation's-defined International War Crime by invading Syria without its leader's or Government's request or permission. On Barry's last day in Office he stepped out of the WH and left US troopds in Syria to fight HIS war.
-- Joe Biden seems to be seeking to compete with Barry. In his 1st 20 days he re-established tiers to terrorist Hamas, declared the Iranian-backed terrorist Houths are no longer 'terrorists', and his party declared that all Conservatives and Trump supprters ARE 'domestic terrorists'...while protecting foreign-funded Democrat-supported domestic terrorist Antifa and BLM who have openly declared they want to burn down the US govt while inflicting hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars in damage in Democrat-run communities thtroughout the US.
Bushwas a Boy Scout compared to Barry....
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I beg to disagree. The GOP are not the ones who deliberately collaborated with the Russians and foreign ex-spies, intentionally used Russian Propaganda as the basis for an illegal investigation initiated by committing FISA Court Crimes, in a failed political coup attempt - the largest proven political scandal in US history.
-- The FISA Cort released evidence that the FBI- under Mueller and Comey - has been illegally spying on everyone for DECADES.
The GOP are not the ones who oppressively abused Americans Constitutional and Civil Rights, had to be put back in place numerous times by the USSC for Constitutional buses - which only encouraged the Democrats to try harder to subjugate Amerivcans .
The GOP are not the ones who intentionally sabotaged our economy, destroyed lives, and wiped out more than half of all existing minority-owned small businesses just to have the opportunity to take back political power.
That's all on the Liberl Progressive Socialist Democrat Party.
easyt65
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I love when snowflakes attempt to re-write history....great fiction.Should have been Clinton, Gore, Hillary, Biden then Obama. 40 years. Bush and Trump really fucked us up. Especially with their Supreme Court picks. Those Justices are all Heritage Foundation scum. And they are lifetime appointments so we can't drain that swamp.Can you imagine how much better and stronger America would be if Bush was never president?75% of them truly believe the election was stolen last year when all the shit they claim happened to them, they did to Al Gore in 2000. Throwing out votes for hanging chads, rioting to stop the recount, rigged diebold voting machines.That dumb fucking moron just had the audacity to say that Trump and republicans endorsed mask wearing because Trump made like 1 statement saying "wear a mask", then he went out and held his super-spreader events.Trump compared wearing a mask to wearing a purse.wait wait wait, because Trump said a handful of times wear a mask, you take that as having a pro mask policy.Says the rabid, TDS-suffering, 'Orange Man Bad' snowflake who has yet to postthe 1st article and instead has chosen to stick with propaganda and opinion......
I will admit, I was wrong about the number of vaccines delivered uynder Trump - 9 Million+, which is more than enought odestroy Biden's lie that Trump had no plan...along with the article about how Biden did what Biden does best: Plagiarize, stealoing from Trump's plan and adopting it as his own. I admit my mistakes...do YOU? My bet is NO!
You posted a long laundry list of bullshit, and i have no intention of going through your complete luandry list of talking points and lies....
So allow me to help you destroy your credibility
CNBC calls you a 'Liar', as it documents how President Trump DID call for wearing masks.
President Trump urges Americans to wear masks to contain the coronavirus outbreak
Trump's comments come after the president has sent mixed messages for months on whether he supports the use of masks as a public health intervention to prevent the spread of the virus.
'B...B...BUT......' - Let's hear the excuses...or admit you were wrong about THIS.
Because there are more times Trump has mocked people for wearing a mask. AND Trump and republicans politicized mask wearing.
How many GOP politicians fought mask wearing? How many tweetd "Be brave" while not wearing a mask. How many super spreader maskless events did Trump have? (alot) How many did Biden have? (none)
You just hit exactly why Trump failed, and why Trumpers are detached from reality. Trump and the GOP repeatedly promoted no mask wearing, and repeatedly held super-spreader events where nobody wore masks, then Trump makes a handful of statements about wearing a mask and you somehow try to say that Trump and GOP promoted masks???
Are you fucking stupid??? Republicans openly rebelled against mask wearing, and if you can't admit that then the debate is over.
Pretty much Trump and the GOP did everything to possible to NOT wear masks, then Trump says a couple of time "wear a mask" and you try and spin that as Trump promoting masks.
You just summed up exactly why you are pathetic.
You are the first retard republican I hav met that tried to claim Trump and republicans were/are pro-masks.
I finally found a mask Republicans feel is acceptable
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Easyt65 is a new kind of stupid. these people are so gullible, they believe any lie Trump tells them.
But funny they wouldn't believe back then but today somehow now all the things we said they did in 2000 suddenly DID happen to them last year, without evidence.
It's more fun talking to them when we are in charge huh?
The president who really messed us up was reagan.
He put us on this path. He also crashed the economy but did it at the beginning of his term when he slashed taxes and started on the deregulation tangent we are still in.
At the time, reagan's crash and recession was the worst economic crash and recession since the last republican Great Depression.
He got us out by pulling out the nation's credit card. Went on a spending spree and didn't pay for it. He spent on military, not infrastructure. It was the largest military spending/build up since WW II. Only he didn't have a war. He exploded the deficit and debt.
bush the first took over in 1989 and the economy immediately went bad again. Then the Cold War ended so the congress slashed military spending calling it the "peace dividend." I call it stopping wasting money on needless weapons. All those fake jobs dependent on tax dollars were gone. It sent our already rocky economy over the edge into recession and near collapse.
That is the reason why Clinton was elected. I can't believe that people forget that very infamous 1992 slogan IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!
The truth is reagan, bush the first, the bush boy and trump all crashed our economy and exploded our deficit and debt.
Clinton cleaned up the reagan/bush mess.
The bush boy destroyed it all and collapsed our economy with more republican tax cuts, deregulation and out of control military spending.
Obama cleaned up the mess.
trump came and destroyed it all with more tax cuts, deregulation, tariff wars and failure to control the pandemic.
Biden will clean up the mess.
Hopefully Americans will have finally learned, never allow conservative economic or social policy to be inflicted on our nation again.
I don’t think raising minimum wage once will do it. If we’re going to do it right minimum wage should go up with inflation.But Americans have short memories. Bush 1 sucked, 8 years later we nominated his son. What harm could he do right the economy was booming. Then 8 years later we forgot made the same mistake only this time it was Hillary and Trump.11 of the last 12 recession were under GOP presidents.More excuses form the party of excuses.Scratch at the surface of a bumper sticker argument and the whole thing falls apart. You can play D president good, R president bad all day long if you want, but it doesn't change the very real reality to Bubba had no natural disaster or foreign attack on America to worry about, plus the .com revolution to ride, so as long as the Republican Congress kept him in check, the economy did quite well. Bush had to deal with the first successful attack on mainland America since 1812, something you seem to think was inconsequential for the country, and TRUMP! had a roaring economy with record low unemployment before a natural disaster struck, another thing you seem to think inconsequential for the country. Keep scratching at your bumper stickers, though, you might learn something.I know, I look at policy and results and the results of Bush and Trump were abhorrently terrible, and failed. Bush and Trump have the worst results out of any presidents in US history. Bush and Trump left office with record low approval ratings, and the country in total crisis.That wooshing sound was the point sailing over your head, namely that kneejerk D president good, R president bad doesn't really do much to tell you why the economy is good or bad at any given time. Bumper sticker arguments, here we go.FACT the same GOP congress under "Bubba" spent wildly wasting trillions of $ and destroying "Bubbas" balanced budgets. Bubba would have controlled that, and did control that hence the balanced budget...So what? Obviously, you don't understand economics or want to scratch below the surface of bumper sticker arguments. Fact, post WWII we were the only major industrial nation on the planet not partially or totally destroyed by the war. Of course we would have a great economy, because we were making the stuff the world wanted, demand was high, and when demand is high prices and wages can be too. Fact, the .com boom was huge and required a great deal of infrastructure to be invested in and built. Of course that would create a great economy. Fact, the WTC was destroyed by an enemy attack. Of course the economy is going to suffer after that as Americans had to face the reality that they could be attacked by a determined enemy and the old way of looking at the world wasn't going to work any more. Fact, we had a booming economy before idiots decided the best way to quarantine sick people was to make healthy people lose their jobs.So what? Look at the great economy Obama handed Trump and look what he did with it. He caused yet another great recession with his handling of Corona.Do you remember what new technology was developed during that time? Hint, Algore tried to claim he invented it.We had a great economy in the Bill Clinton 90s and that was after read my lips hw bush no new taxes raised taxes. A decade of prosperity.Ummm...try again, jackass. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...f-coronavirus-in-bidens-first-month-in-office
Because nothing says "exploding economy like rising taxes and energy costs.When covid is gone the economy will explode!!! Welcome to the new roaring 20s!! Another Clinton style Golden Age.
Time for the excuses and the crying from the Trumpers...
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
Fact, your antipathy toward anything and anyone Republican will cause you to ignore these other facts and repeat your mantra. It wasn't a coincidence that Bubba plus a Republican Congress produced the most nearly balanced federal budget in decades. It certainly would not have happened with a democrat Congress.
Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surplus and turned that into a total financial meltdown (enter more excuses...) and it was all 100% from GOP and their policy, plans, and spending. And failed war (let's not forget about the failed war...)
FACT, Trump fucked up covid 20 different ways and lost the election because of it. "we're rounding the curve" "this is nothing it will all go away"
FACT Biden's covid plan, while very simple, is the complete opposite of Trump's. He actually takes covid seriously and has simple yet effective counter measures, like not hosting super-spreader events and wondering why covid cases are at and all time high???
Both Bush and Trump were terrible and fsailed presidents. Their results were terrible, much worse than Clinton or Obama, and they left office with the US in crisis and meltdown, with record low job approvals.
You can make any lame excuses you want, and you can type any lies you want. BUT you can't change history and results. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surpluss and he passed of a destroyed country with 2 losing wars and a total economic meltdown. Trump inherited a solid country with plenty of room to grow and he passed of a shit show disaster-fuck mess, with a net loss of 3 million jobs, epic deficits, and a virus spreading rapidly with cases at all time highs pretty much the day he left office...
The life of a republican is making pathetic excuses like a little bitch.
All you do is make excuses as to why all the great success under democrats is luck, and why all the many multiple failures and the GOP and Bush and Trump are somehow not their fault.
It's always somebody else's fault with you people. It's always coincidence that the democrats have better results.
Maybe Bush should have not wasted $trillions on useless spending bills...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have fucked up those 2 wars...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have been a sleep at the switch when the economy was crashing...
Maybe Trump should have taken the virus seriously
Maybe Trump should have just worn a fucking mask and not had like 100+ super-spreader events, rallies, holiday parties etc.
Maybe trump shouldn't have incited a riot at the capitol based on fabricated lies...
Funny how covid cases drop rapidly when Biden comes in and promotes mask wearing and stops all the Trump super-spreader events...
You conveniently leave out those little facts...
You try to act like Bush's repeated fuck ups aren't his fault, when they are.
You try to act like trump's repeated fuck up aren't his fault, when they are...
Remember Trump told them the stock market would fall apart if Biden won?
Republican Presidents Aren't So Great For The Stock Market, Actually
It's highly unlikely stocks will "disintegrate and disappear" if Joe Biden takes over in 2020, as Donald Trump claims.
According to a survey by Hartford Funds, 47% of investors also believe that a Republican president is better for investments, while 37% believe a Democrat is better.
But looking at history, the association of a Republican president with better stock market performance is not steeped in reality. Here’s what’s really the case.
Historically, the stock market performs better under Democrats.
since 1945, the S&P 500 has averaged an annual gain of 11.2% when Democrats controlled the White House, versus an average 6.9% gain under Republicans.
The average annual U.S. GDP growth rate was 3.6% under Democrats and 2.6% under Republicans.
Even if you exclude the Great Recession and COVID-19 pandemic ― both of which occurred while a Republican was in office ― the data still shows stronger performance when Democrats occupied the White House.
“Corporate and income tax cuts tend to have a muted immediate effect on the economy, [while] government spending on items such as infrastructure, unemployment benefits and food stamps tends to have a greater impact,”
A new report says Biden would be best for the economy.
Historical data aside, how might the 2020 election result affect the economy as a whole? A new analysis from economists Mark Zandi and Bernard Yaros of Moody’s Analytics says Joe Biden would have a stronger impact on the economy than Trump as president.
“Largely because of Biden’s substantially more expansive fiscal policies, the economy would return to full employment more quickly coming out of the pandemic than under Trump,” the report said. “Biden’s reversal of Trump’s policies on foreign trade and immigration would also contribute to stronger economic growth, so that by the end of their terms in 2024, real GDP would be $960 billion, or 4.5%, larger under Biden than Trump.”
That would translate to 7.4 million more jobs under Biden than Trump, according to the report.
EVERY SINGLE GOP PRESIDENT SINCE ROOSVELT HAS HAD A RECESSION.
The GOP record is abhorrently bad.
Republicans forget in 2019 Trump started a trade war and only had 2.3% growth and economists said a recession was coming in 2020 because of his trade war. Trump's massive tax breaks did not deliver as promised. We should have had 8 great years of growth after those tax breaks but as we said trickle down doesn't work. The rich don't just hire more people because they have more money. They sock it away. Sure they spend some too but it'd be better to give the middle class the tax breaks. That will benefit everyone including the rich because we spend that money.
No middle class doesn't need a tax cut.
The middle class and poor need their wages increased.
The federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour and has not been increased since the bush boy years. No one can live on 7.25 an hour in America.
The government isn't supposed to pay people at a private company. The government isn't supposed to provide public assistance to those working at a private company because they aren't paid enough.
The government is supposed to make sure that employers pay people a living wage.
Tax cuts won't raise anyone's wages to a living wage.
Raising the minimum wage will.
When did people get the idea that it's government's job to pay people and provide public assistance so people can get by?
Whatever happened to employers paying their employees a living wage?
When did it become ok for employers to reap billions while their employees are on public assistance because they aren't being paid enough to live?
Talk about a big nanny government.
And when Was America great? To me it was when the blue collar workers could get union jobs that paid as good as college jobs. Unions. Manufacturing. $35 hr. I would be perfectly happy to focus on raising wages at bigger companies and not worry about the minimum wage. Or there should be a different minimum wage for kids.
I hope you get my point. If you strenghten the middle class then companies will have to pay higher than the minimum wage because there are lots of better jobs available that pay more than minimum wage.
Im not against raising the minimum wage as part of the solution I just don’t think it’s the only solution. I want a middle class doing much better than that.
I wish unions were demanding workers were getting their fair share and I wish companies and rich people were paying their fair share. I doubt trump does.
US daily covid cases peaked as Trump was leaving office...
Biden has a simple covid plan, wear masks, social distance, wash hands and DO NOT politicize wask wearing, hold super spreader events, dumb ass rallies, and stupid holiday parties.
Funny how effective that is... US covid cases have been dropping since Biden took over, and no it isn't from the vaccine. That is a 2 shot vaccine and Trump only delivered a meager 9 million shots.
We are beating covid for the first time because Biden has a simple plan to stop it's spread with masks and social distancing and no superspreader events AND a plan to quickly distribute the vaccine.
When covid is gone the economy will explode!!! Welcome to the new roaring 20s!! Another Clinton style Golden Age.
Time for the excuses and the crying from the Trumpers...
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
Care to explain those 60,000 deaths that occured when Biden took over??
I'm sure you have a great explanation.
Once trumps lackeys were in power sure they said whatever trump had them say. When they wouldn’t they got fired or quit. When they did they got sued or went to jail.
It's much easier to do that when you don't face global competition. We were able to do it in the 50's mostly because we were the manufacturing powerhouse on the planet. Everyone else was trying to rebuild after the war and couldn't compete. Those days are gone unless we decimate the rest of the world through war and don't sustain any damage ourselves. You can make companies and "rich people" pay their "fair share", but it won't bring back the glory days when you could work an assembly line for 40 years and retire well off. It started to fall apart for the unions when foreign competition got strong enough to severely undercut prices. In order to compete, companies had to cut costs, and one of the biggest costs to any company is labor. Unions killed the goose and wondered what happened to the golden eggs.I don’t think raising minimum wage once will do it. If we’re going to do it right minimum wage should go up with inflation.But Americans have short memories. Bush 1 sucked, 8 years later we nominated his son. What harm could he do right the economy was booming. Then 8 years later we forgot made the same mistake only this time it was Hillary and Trump.11 of the last 12 recession were under GOP presidents.More excuses form the party of excuses.Scratch at the surface of a bumper sticker argument and the whole thing falls apart. You can play D president good, R president bad all day long if you want, but it doesn't change the very real reality to Bubba had no natural disaster or foreign attack on America to worry about, plus the .com revolution to ride, so as long as the Republican Congress kept him in check, the economy did quite well. Bush had to deal with the first successful attack on mainland America since 1812, something you seem to think was inconsequential for the country, and TRUMP! had a roaring economy with record low unemployment before a natural disaster struck, another thing you seem to think inconsequential for the country. Keep scratching at your bumper stickers, though, you might learn something.I know, I look at policy and results and the results of Bush and Trump were abhorrently terrible, and failed. Bush and Trump have the worst results out of any presidents in US history. Bush and Trump left office with record low approval ratings, and the country in total crisis.That wooshing sound was the point sailing over your head, namely that kneejerk D president good, R president bad doesn't really do much to tell you why the economy is good or bad at any given time. Bumper sticker arguments, here we go.FACT the same GOP congress under "Bubba" spent wildly wasting trillions of $ and destroying "Bubbas" balanced budgets. Bubba would have controlled that, and did control that hence the balanced budget...So what? Obviously, you don't understand economics or want to scratch below the surface of bumper sticker arguments. Fact, post WWII we were the only major industrial nation on the planet not partially or totally destroyed by the war. Of course we would have a great economy, because we were making the stuff the world wanted, demand was high, and when demand is high prices and wages can be too. Fact, the .com boom was huge and required a great deal of infrastructure to be invested in and built. Of course that would create a great economy. Fact, the WTC was destroyed by an enemy attack. Of course the economy is going to suffer after that as Americans had to face the reality that they could be attacked by a determined enemy and the old way of looking at the world wasn't going to work any more. Fact, we had a booming economy before idiots decided the best way to quarantine sick people was to make healthy people lose their jobs.So what? Look at the great economy Obama handed Trump and look what he did with it. He caused yet another great recession with his handling of Corona.Do you remember what new technology was developed during that time? Hint, Algore tried to claim he invented it.We had a great economy in the Bill Clinton 90s and that was after read my lips hw bush no new taxes raised taxes. A decade of prosperity.Ummm...try again, jackass. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...f-coronavirus-in-bidens-first-month-in-office
Because nothing says "exploding economy like rising taxes and energy costs.When covid is gone the economy will explode!!! Welcome to the new roaring 20s!! Another Clinton style Golden Age.
Time for the excuses and the crying from the Trumpers...
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
Fact, your antipathy toward anything and anyone Republican will cause you to ignore these other facts and repeat your mantra. It wasn't a coincidence that Bubba plus a Republican Congress produced the most nearly balanced federal budget in decades. It certainly would not have happened with a democrat Congress.
Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surplus and turned that into a total financial meltdown (enter more excuses...) and it was all 100% from GOP and their policy, plans, and spending. And failed war (let's not forget about the failed war...)
FACT, Trump fucked up covid 20 different ways and lost the election because of it. "we're rounding the curve" "this is nothing it will all go away"
FACT Biden's covid plan, while very simple, is the complete opposite of Trump's. He actually takes covid seriously and has simple yet effective counter measures, like not hosting super-spreader events and wondering why covid cases are at and all time high???
Both Bush and Trump were terrible and fsailed presidents. Their results were terrible, much worse than Clinton or Obama, and they left office with the US in crisis and meltdown, with record low job approvals.
You can make any lame excuses you want, and you can type any lies you want. BUT you can't change history and results. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surpluss and he passed of a destroyed country with 2 losing wars and a total economic meltdown. Trump inherited a solid country with plenty of room to grow and he passed of a shit show disaster-fuck mess, with a net loss of 3 million jobs, epic deficits, and a virus spreading rapidly with cases at all time highs pretty much the day he left office...
The life of a republican is making pathetic excuses like a little bitch.
All you do is make excuses as to why all the great success under democrats is luck, and why all the many multiple failures and the GOP and Bush and Trump are somehow not their fault.
It's always somebody else's fault with you people. It's always coincidence that the democrats have better results.
Maybe Bush should have not wasted $trillions on useless spending bills...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have fucked up those 2 wars...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have been a sleep at the switch when the economy was crashing...
Maybe Trump should have taken the virus seriously
Maybe Trump should have just worn a fucking mask and not had like 100+ super-spreader events, rallies, holiday parties etc.
Maybe trump shouldn't have incited a riot at the capitol based on fabricated lies...
Funny how covid cases drop rapidly when Biden comes in and promotes mask wearing and stops all the Trump super-spreader events...
You conveniently leave out those little facts...
You try to act like Bush's repeated fuck ups aren't his fault, when they are.
You try to act like trump's repeated fuck up aren't his fault, when they are...
Remember Trump told them the stock market would fall apart if Biden won?
Republican Presidents Aren't So Great For The Stock Market, Actually
It's highly unlikely stocks will "disintegrate and disappear" if Joe Biden takes over in 2020, as Donald Trump claims.
According to a survey by Hartford Funds, 47% of investors also believe that a Republican president is better for investments, while 37% believe a Democrat is better.
But looking at history, the association of a Republican president with better stock market performance is not steeped in reality. Here’s what’s really the case.
Historically, the stock market performs better under Democrats.
since 1945, the S&P 500 has averaged an annual gain of 11.2% when Democrats controlled the White House, versus an average 6.9% gain under Republicans.
The average annual U.S. GDP growth rate was 3.6% under Democrats and 2.6% under Republicans.
Even if you exclude the Great Recession and COVID-19 pandemic ― both of which occurred while a Republican was in office ― the data still shows stronger performance when Democrats occupied the White House.
“Corporate and income tax cuts tend to have a muted immediate effect on the economy, [while] government spending on items such as infrastructure, unemployment benefits and food stamps tends to have a greater impact,”
A new report says Biden would be best for the economy.
Historical data aside, how might the 2020 election result affect the economy as a whole? A new analysis from economists Mark Zandi and Bernard Yaros of Moody’s Analytics says Joe Biden would have a stronger impact on the economy than Trump as president.
“Largely because of Biden’s substantially more expansive fiscal policies, the economy would return to full employment more quickly coming out of the pandemic than under Trump,” the report said. “Biden’s reversal of Trump’s policies on foreign trade and immigration would also contribute to stronger economic growth, so that by the end of their terms in 2024, real GDP would be $960 billion, or 4.5%, larger under Biden than Trump.”
That would translate to 7.4 million more jobs under Biden than Trump, according to the report.
EVERY SINGLE GOP PRESIDENT SINCE ROOSVELT HAS HAD A RECESSION.
The GOP record is abhorrently bad.
Republicans forget in 2019 Trump started a trade war and only had 2.3% growth and economists said a recession was coming in 2020 because of his trade war. Trump's massive tax breaks did not deliver as promised. We should have had 8 great years of growth after those tax breaks but as we said trickle down doesn't work. The rich don't just hire more people because they have more money. They sock it away. Sure they spend some too but it'd be better to give the middle class the tax breaks. That will benefit everyone including the rich because we spend that money.
No middle class doesn't need a tax cut.
The middle class and poor need their wages increased.
The federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour and has not been increased since the bush boy years. No one can live on 7.25 an hour in America.
The government isn't supposed to pay people at a private company. The government isn't supposed to provide public assistance to those working at a private company because they aren't paid enough.
The government is supposed to make sure that employers pay people a living wage.
Tax cuts won't raise anyone's wages to a living wage.
Raising the minimum wage will.
When did people get the idea that it's government's job to pay people and provide public assistance so people can get by?
Whatever happened to employers paying their employees a living wage?
When did it become ok for employers to reap billions while their employees are on public assistance because they aren't being paid enough to live?
Talk about a big nanny government.
And when Was America great? To me it was when the blue collar workers could get union jobs that paid as good as college jobs. Unions. Manufacturing. $35 hr. I would be perfectly happy to focus on raising wages at bigger companies and not worry about the minimum wage. Or there should be a different minimum wage for kids.
I hope you get my point. If you strenghten the middle class then companies will have to pay higher than the minimum wage because there are lots of better jobs available that pay more than minimum wage.
Im not against raising the minimum wage as part of the solution I just don’t think it’s the only solution. I want a middle class doing much better than that.
I wish unions were demanding workers were getting their fair share and I wish companies and rich people were paying their fair share. I doubt trump does.
What's a "fair share" anyway? In almost every case, it just means "more" and people won't define it. I think that's because they really don't know, they just want somebody else to pay more.
if you think the GOP's shit dont stink easy.....well, you cant smell it because you just might be one of them......
Since I feel the planet is overpopulated I approve. So people shouldn’t have 3 or 4 kids. Have 1 2 or none. If you can’t afford them. I hope the new economy wont double the population. It wouldnt even be bad if the number went down. If every woman in poverty over the next 10 years only had zero to one kids we’d be much better off. The inner cities Where we are most heavily populated and polluting the most and the planet.It's much easier to do that when you don't face global competition. We were able to do it in the 50's mostly because we were the manufacturing powerhouse on the planet. Everyone else was trying to rebuild after the war and couldn't compete. Those days are gone unless we decimate the rest of the world through war and don't sustain any damage ourselves. You can make companies and "rich people" pay their "fair share", but it won't bring back the glory days when you could work an assembly line for 40 years and retire well off. It started to fall apart for the unions when foreign competition got strong enough to severely undercut prices. In order to compete, companies had to cut costs, and one of the biggest costs to any company is labor. Unions killed the goose and wondered what happened to the golden eggs.I don’t think raising minimum wage once will do it. If we’re going to do it right minimum wage should go up with inflation.But Americans have short memories. Bush 1 sucked, 8 years later we nominated his son. What harm could he do right the economy was booming. Then 8 years later we forgot made the same mistake only this time it was Hillary and Trump.11 of the last 12 recession were under GOP presidents.More excuses form the party of excuses.Scratch at the surface of a bumper sticker argument and the whole thing falls apart. You can play D president good, R president bad all day long if you want, but it doesn't change the very real reality to Bubba had no natural disaster or foreign attack on America to worry about, plus the .com revolution to ride, so as long as the Republican Congress kept him in check, the economy did quite well. Bush had to deal with the first successful attack on mainland America since 1812, something you seem to think was inconsequential for the country, and TRUMP! had a roaring economy with record low unemployment before a natural disaster struck, another thing you seem to think inconsequential for the country. Keep scratching at your bumper stickers, though, you might learn something.I know, I look at policy and results and the results of Bush and Trump were abhorrently terrible, and failed. Bush and Trump have the worst results out of any presidents in US history. Bush and Trump left office with record low approval ratings, and the country in total crisis.That wooshing sound was the point sailing over your head, namely that kneejerk D president good, R president bad doesn't really do much to tell you why the economy is good or bad at any given time. Bumper sticker arguments, here we go.FACT the same GOP congress under "Bubba" spent wildly wasting trillions of $ and destroying "Bubbas" balanced budgets. Bubba would have controlled that, and did control that hence the balanced budget...So what? Obviously, you don't understand economics or want to scratch below the surface of bumper sticker arguments. Fact, post WWII we were the only major industrial nation on the planet not partially or totally destroyed by the war. Of course we would have a great economy, because we were making the stuff the world wanted, demand was high, and when demand is high prices and wages can be too. Fact, the .com boom was huge and required a great deal of infrastructure to be invested in and built. Of course that would create a great economy. Fact, the WTC was destroyed by an enemy attack. Of course the economy is going to suffer after that as Americans had to face the reality that they could be attacked by a determined enemy and the old way of looking at the world wasn't going to work any more. Fact, we had a booming economy before idiots decided the best way to quarantine sick people was to make healthy people lose their jobs.So what? Look at the great economy Obama handed Trump and look what he did with it. He caused yet another great recession with his handling of Corona.Do you remember what new technology was developed during that time? Hint, Algore tried to claim he invented it.We had a great economy in the Bill Clinton 90s and that was after read my lips hw bush no new taxes raised taxes. A decade of prosperity.Ummm...try again, jackass. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...f-coronavirus-in-bidens-first-month-in-office
Because nothing says "exploding economy like rising taxes and energy costs.When covid is gone the economy will explode!!! Welcome to the new roaring 20s!! Another Clinton style Golden Age.
Time for the excuses and the crying from the Trumpers...
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
Fact, your antipathy toward anything and anyone Republican will cause you to ignore these other facts and repeat your mantra. It wasn't a coincidence that Bubba plus a Republican Congress produced the most nearly balanced federal budget in decades. It certainly would not have happened with a democrat Congress.
Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surplus and turned that into a total financial meltdown (enter more excuses...) and it was all 100% from GOP and their policy, plans, and spending. And failed war (let's not forget about the failed war...)
FACT, Trump fucked up covid 20 different ways and lost the election because of it. "we're rounding the curve" "this is nothing it will all go away"
FACT Biden's covid plan, while very simple, is the complete opposite of Trump's. He actually takes covid seriously and has simple yet effective counter measures, like not hosting super-spreader events and wondering why covid cases are at and all time high???
Both Bush and Trump were terrible and fsailed presidents. Their results were terrible, much worse than Clinton or Obama, and they left office with the US in crisis and meltdown, with record low job approvals.
You can make any lame excuses you want, and you can type any lies you want. BUT you can't change history and results. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surpluss and he passed of a destroyed country with 2 losing wars and a total economic meltdown. Trump inherited a solid country with plenty of room to grow and he passed of a shit show disaster-fuck mess, with a net loss of 3 million jobs, epic deficits, and a virus spreading rapidly with cases at all time highs pretty much the day he left office...
The life of a republican is making pathetic excuses like a little bitch.
All you do is make excuses as to why all the great success under democrats is luck, and why all the many multiple failures and the GOP and Bush and Trump are somehow not their fault.
It's always somebody else's fault with you people. It's always coincidence that the democrats have better results.
Maybe Bush should have not wasted $trillions on useless spending bills...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have fucked up those 2 wars...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have been a sleep at the switch when the economy was crashing...
Maybe Trump should have taken the virus seriously
Maybe Trump should have just worn a fucking mask and not had like 100+ super-spreader events, rallies, holiday parties etc.
Maybe trump shouldn't have incited a riot at the capitol based on fabricated lies...
Funny how covid cases drop rapidly when Biden comes in and promotes mask wearing and stops all the Trump super-spreader events...
You conveniently leave out those little facts...
You try to act like Bush's repeated fuck ups aren't his fault, when they are.
You try to act like trump's repeated fuck up aren't his fault, when they are...
Remember Trump told them the stock market would fall apart if Biden won?
Republican Presidents Aren't So Great For The Stock Market, Actually
It's highly unlikely stocks will "disintegrate and disappear" if Joe Biden takes over in 2020, as Donald Trump claims.
According to a survey by Hartford Funds, 47% of investors also believe that a Republican president is better for investments, while 37% believe a Democrat is better.
But looking at history, the association of a Republican president with better stock market performance is not steeped in reality. Here’s what’s really the case.
Historically, the stock market performs better under Democrats.
since 1945, the S&P 500 has averaged an annual gain of 11.2% when Democrats controlled the White House, versus an average 6.9% gain under Republicans.
The average annual U.S. GDP growth rate was 3.6% under Democrats and 2.6% under Republicans.
Even if you exclude the Great Recession and COVID-19 pandemic ― both of which occurred while a Republican was in office ― the data still shows stronger performance when Democrats occupied the White House.
“Corporate and income tax cuts tend to have a muted immediate effect on the economy, [while] government spending on items such as infrastructure, unemployment benefits and food stamps tends to have a greater impact,”
A new report says Biden would be best for the economy.
Historical data aside, how might the 2020 election result affect the economy as a whole? A new analysis from economists Mark Zandi and Bernard Yaros of Moody’s Analytics says Joe Biden would have a stronger impact on the economy than Trump as president.
“Largely because of Biden’s substantially more expansive fiscal policies, the economy would return to full employment more quickly coming out of the pandemic than under Trump,” the report said. “Biden’s reversal of Trump’s policies on foreign trade and immigration would also contribute to stronger economic growth, so that by the end of their terms in 2024, real GDP would be $960 billion, or 4.5%, larger under Biden than Trump.”
That would translate to 7.4 million more jobs under Biden than Trump, according to the report.
EVERY SINGLE GOP PRESIDENT SINCE ROOSVELT HAS HAD A RECESSION.
The GOP record is abhorrently bad.
Republicans forget in 2019 Trump started a trade war and only had 2.3% growth and economists said a recession was coming in 2020 because of his trade war. Trump's massive tax breaks did not deliver as promised. We should have had 8 great years of growth after those tax breaks but as we said trickle down doesn't work. The rich don't just hire more people because they have more money. They sock it away. Sure they spend some too but it'd be better to give the middle class the tax breaks. That will benefit everyone including the rich because we spend that money.
No middle class doesn't need a tax cut.
The middle class and poor need their wages increased.
The federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour and has not been increased since the bush boy years. No one can live on 7.25 an hour in America.
The government isn't supposed to pay people at a private company. The government isn't supposed to provide public assistance to those working at a private company because they aren't paid enough.
The government is supposed to make sure that employers pay people a living wage.
Tax cuts won't raise anyone's wages to a living wage.
Raising the minimum wage will.
When did people get the idea that it's government's job to pay people and provide public assistance so people can get by?
Whatever happened to employers paying their employees a living wage?
When did it become ok for employers to reap billions while their employees are on public assistance because they aren't being paid enough to live?
Talk about a big nanny government.
And when Was America great? To me it was when the blue collar workers could get union jobs that paid as good as college jobs. Unions. Manufacturing. $35 hr. I would be perfectly happy to focus on raising wages at bigger companies and not worry about the minimum wage. Or there should be a different minimum wage for kids.
I hope you get my point. If you strenghten the middle class then companies will have to pay higher than the minimum wage because there are lots of better jobs available that pay more than minimum wage.
Im not against raising the minimum wage as part of the solution I just don’t think it’s the only solution. I want a middle class doing much better than that.
I wish unions were demanding workers were getting their fair share and I wish companies and rich people were paying their fair share. I doubt trump does.
What's a "fair share" anyway? In almost every case, it just means "more" and people won't define it. I think that's because they really don't know, they just want somebody else to pay more.
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I don’t think raising minimum wage once will do it. If we’re going to do it right minimum wage should go up with inflation.But Americans have short memories. Bush 1 sucked, 8 years later we nominated his son. What harm could he do right the economy was booming. Then 8 years later we forgot made the same mistake only this time it was Hillary and Trump.11 of the last 12 recession were under GOP presidents.More excuses form the party of excuses.Scratch at the surface of a bumper sticker argument and the whole thing falls apart. You can play D president good, R president bad all day long if you want, but it doesn't change the very real reality to Bubba had no natural disaster or foreign attack on America to worry about, plus the .com revolution to ride, so as long as the Republican Congress kept him in check, the economy did quite well. Bush had to deal with the first successful attack on mainland America since 1812, something you seem to think was inconsequential for the country, and TRUMP! had a roaring economy with record low unemployment before a natural disaster struck, another thing you seem to think inconsequential for the country. Keep scratching at your bumper stickers, though, you might learn something.I know, I look at policy and results and the results of Bush and Trump were abhorrently terrible, and failed. Bush and Trump have the worst results out of any presidents in US history. Bush and Trump left office with record low approval ratings, and the country in total crisis.That wooshing sound was the point sailing over your head, namely that kneejerk D president good, R president bad doesn't really do much to tell you why the economy is good or bad at any given time. Bumper sticker arguments, here we go.FACT the same GOP congress under "Bubba" spent wildly wasting trillions of $ and destroying "Bubbas" balanced budgets. Bubba would have controlled that, and did control that hence the balanced budget...So what? Obviously, you don't understand economics or want to scratch below the surface of bumper sticker arguments. Fact, post WWII we were the only major industrial nation on the planet not partially or totally destroyed by the war. Of course we would have a great economy, because we were making the stuff the world wanted, demand was high, and when demand is high prices and wages can be too. Fact, the .com boom was huge and required a great deal of infrastructure to be invested in and built. Of course that would create a great economy. Fact, the WTC was destroyed by an enemy attack. Of course the economy is going to suffer after that as Americans had to face the reality that they could be attacked by a determined enemy and the old way of looking at the world wasn't going to work any more. Fact, we had a booming economy before idiots decided the best way to quarantine sick people was to make healthy people lose their jobs.So what? Look at the great economy Obama handed Trump and look what he did with it. He caused yet another great recession with his handling of Corona.Do you remember what new technology was developed during that time? Hint, Algore tried to claim he invented it.We had a great economy in the Bill Clinton 90s and that was after read my lips hw bush no new taxes raised taxes. A decade of prosperity.Ummm...try again, jackass. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...f-coronavirus-in-bidens-first-month-in-office
Because nothing says "exploding economy like rising taxes and energy costs.When covid is gone the economy will explode!!! Welcome to the new roaring 20s!! Another Clinton style Golden Age.
Time for the excuses and the crying from the Trumpers...
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
Fact, your antipathy toward anything and anyone Republican will cause you to ignore these other facts and repeat your mantra. It wasn't a coincidence that Bubba plus a Republican Congress produced the most nearly balanced federal budget in decades. It certainly would not have happened with a democrat Congress.
Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surplus and turned that into a total financial meltdown (enter more excuses...) and it was all 100% from GOP and their policy, plans, and spending. And failed war (let's not forget about the failed war...)
FACT, Trump fucked up covid 20 different ways and lost the election because of it. "we're rounding the curve" "this is nothing it will all go away"
FACT Biden's covid plan, while very simple, is the complete opposite of Trump's. He actually takes covid seriously and has simple yet effective counter measures, like not hosting super-spreader events and wondering why covid cases are at and all time high???
Both Bush and Trump were terrible and fsailed presidents. Their results were terrible, much worse than Clinton or Obama, and they left office with the US in crisis and meltdown, with record low job approvals.
You can make any lame excuses you want, and you can type any lies you want. BUT you can't change history and results. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected surpluss and he passed of a destroyed country with 2 losing wars and a total economic meltdown. Trump inherited a solid country with plenty of room to grow and he passed of a shit show disaster-fuck mess, with a net loss of 3 million jobs, epic deficits, and a virus spreading rapidly with cases at all time highs pretty much the day he left office...
The life of a republican is making pathetic excuses like a little bitch.
All you do is make excuses as to why all the great success under democrats is luck, and why all the many multiple failures and the GOP and Bush and Trump are somehow not their fault.
It's always somebody else's fault with you people. It's always coincidence that the democrats have better results.
Maybe Bush should have not wasted $trillions on useless spending bills...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have fucked up those 2 wars...
Maybe Bush shouldn't have been a sleep at the switch when the economy was crashing...
Maybe Trump should have taken the virus seriously
Maybe Trump should have just worn a fucking mask and not had like 100+ super-spreader events, rallies, holiday parties etc.
Maybe trump shouldn't have incited a riot at the capitol based on fabricated lies...
Funny how covid cases drop rapidly when Biden comes in and promotes mask wearing and stops all the Trump super-spreader events...
You conveniently leave out those little facts...
You try to act like Bush's repeated fuck ups aren't his fault, when they are.
You try to act like trump's repeated fuck up aren't his fault, when they are...
Remember Trump told them the stock market would fall apart if Biden won?
Republican Presidents Aren't So Great For The Stock Market, Actually
It's highly unlikely stocks will "disintegrate and disappear" if Joe Biden takes over in 2020, as Donald Trump claims.
According to a survey by Hartford Funds, 47% of investors also believe that a Republican president is better for investments, while 37% believe a Democrat is better.
But looking at history, the association of a Republican president with better stock market performance is not steeped in reality. Here’s what’s really the case.
Historically, the stock market performs better under Democrats.
since 1945, the S&P 500 has averaged an annual gain of 11.2% when Democrats controlled the White House, versus an average 6.9% gain under Republicans.
The average annual U.S. GDP growth rate was 3.6% under Democrats and 2.6% under Republicans.
Even if you exclude the Great Recession and COVID-19 pandemic ― both of which occurred while a Republican was in office ― the data still shows stronger performance when Democrats occupied the White House.
“Corporate and income tax cuts tend to have a muted immediate effect on the economy, [while] government spending on items such as infrastructure, unemployment benefits and food stamps tends to have a greater impact,”
A new report says Biden would be best for the economy.
Historical data aside, how might the 2020 election result affect the economy as a whole? A new analysis from economists Mark Zandi and Bernard Yaros of Moody’s Analytics says Joe Biden would have a stronger impact on the economy than Trump as president.
“Largely because of Biden’s substantially more expansive fiscal policies, the economy would return to full employment more quickly coming out of the pandemic than under Trump,” the report said. “Biden’s reversal of Trump’s policies on foreign trade and immigration would also contribute to stronger economic growth, so that by the end of their terms in 2024, real GDP would be $960 billion, or 4.5%, larger under Biden than Trump.”
That would translate to 7.4 million more jobs under Biden than Trump, according to the report.
EVERY SINGLE GOP PRESIDENT SINCE ROOSVELT HAS HAD A RECESSION.
The GOP record is abhorrently bad.
Republicans forget in 2019 Trump started a trade war and only had 2.3% growth and economists said a recession was coming in 2020 because of his trade war. Trump's massive tax breaks did not deliver as promised. We should have had 8 great years of growth after those tax breaks but as we said trickle down doesn't work. The rich don't just hire more people because they have more money. They sock it away. Sure they spend some too but it'd be better to give the middle class the tax breaks. That will benefit everyone including the rich because we spend that money.
No middle class doesn't need a tax cut.
The middle class and poor need their wages increased.
The federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour and has not been increased since the bush boy years. No one can live on 7.25 an hour in America.
The government isn't supposed to pay people at a private company. The government isn't supposed to provide public assistance to those working at a private company because they aren't paid enough.
The government is supposed to make sure that employers pay people a living wage.
Tax cuts won't raise anyone's wages to a living wage.
Raising the minimum wage will.
When did people get the idea that it's government's job to pay people and provide public assistance so people can get by?
Whatever happened to employers paying their employees a living wage?
When did it become ok for employers to reap billions while their employees are on public assistance because they aren't being paid enough to live?
Talk about a big nanny government.
And when Was America great? To me it was when the blue collar workers could get union jobs that paid as good as college jobs. Unions. Manufacturing. $35 hr. I would be perfectly happy to focus on raising wages at bigger companies and not worry about the minimum wage. Or there should be a different minimum wage for kids.
I hope you get my point. If you strenghten the middle class then companies will have to pay higher than the minimum wage because there are lots of better jobs available that pay more than minimum wage.
Im not against raising the minimum wage as part of the solution I just don’t think it’s the only solution. I want a middle class doing much better than that.
I wish unions were demanding workers were getting their fair share and I wish companies and rich people were paying their fair share. I doubt trump does.
I can't agree more.
The minimum wage should always increase with inflation.
I didn't advocate for a one time increase in the minimum wage.
I don't know about other states but my state does pay lower wages for minors and some jobs:
Minimum Wage
lni.wa.gov
I can't agree with you more about unions. Unions built the middle class and helped build this nation. We need to support unions.
I find it very funny that conservatives say laws shouldn't be imposed on employers, that the employee should negotiate with the employer for wages, benefits and working conditions. So the employees got together to do exactly that. The conservatives hate that and have worked for decades to destroy the employee's ability to negotiate with their employer as they have demanded the employee do instead of passing laws.
So basically they just lie about a subject. They say whatever is most convenient for them at the time. Even when it contradicts what they just said a minute before.
These people are out of control. They have turned our nation into a mess and are proud of it. Or they blame the mess on those who are trying to clean it up or prevent the mess in the first place.
when i was saying their shit stinks up above....you said..."i disagree".......and then defended them like they smell great.....
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