We're Probably Not Rome...

[PoliticalChic]

….but there are reasons why so many bring up, and they weigh heavily on our political situation.

There are reasons whey this book comes up in the discussion.

Both Rome and America re-shaped their world.



1.Certainly are a number of similarities between Rome and America, starting with achievements at home and around the world.

When the Aswan Dam was constructed and Lake Nasser flooded, Abu Simbel was about to be destroyed.....unless the entire shrine could be raised to the top of the plateau. And the project was headed by the US Corp of Engineers.
They were missioned with the moving the original Abu Simbel and maintaining the miraculous feature: on the birthday of Ramses the Great, and only on that day, sunlight lit the passage to the holy of holies.

As the Egyptians tell it, it lit up said site only on that day, an amazing feat based on their knowledge of astronomy.
They felt that only the United States has the ability, the computers necessary, to make the re-built temple perform as it had for centuries.

But.....
When the temple was moved, and aligned .....it no longer lit the passage on the accustomed day....but now, on February 22.
They say, it originally lit the passage way on the birthday of the great pharaoh of ancient times.....
....and now lit the passage on the birthday of the great man of modern times, George Washington.

From the outside.............................................................and the sunlight bathing the holy of holies.

Only America could raise this ancient monument and save it.



3. And, a tip of the hat to Rome for the same:

“…aqueducts from Scotland to Africa, and the Roman armies carried the ideals of Greek civilization over millions of square miles.”

Every culture wanted to be Roman...just as modern ones want to be America.

How many rulers have used the title of Caesar or ... - Quora​

https://www.quora.com › How-many-rulers-have-used-the...
The name 'Caesar' as title equivalent to 'Emperor, King, Ruler' spread into Europe and even into Russia - both 'Kaiser' (German) and 'Tsar' Russian) and 'Qaysar ...

Even in the Middle East we have 'Shah."




Usually, the comparisons of the two societies are used to predict the demise of America…..but as Twain supposedly noted: History doesn’t repeat itself….

…..but it does rhyme.



We know what happed to the Roman Empire.....and why it happened.

Are there lessons we could learn before it's too late?

A consideration of similarities in this thread.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Today is the birthday of Julius Caesar, July 12, 100 BC



4. “But in Rome itself there was a continual bitter power struggle. The Greeks invented the democratic system of election. The Romans have the dubious distinction of having invented the homicidal system of election—the deliberate development of murder as a political engine.

Most historians date this from the murder of the tribune (or people’s representative) Tiberius Gracchus in 133 B.C. and state that the Emperor Augustus put a stop to it about a century later; in fact, it started in the early days of republican Rome and continued until its downfall in the fifth century A.D. By then it had become such a tradition that it continued intermittently down the ages, so that the history of the popes often reads like pages of I, Claudius.”

The poet Robert Graves was one of the first to recognize its possibilities for sensational fiction, and his novels I, Claudius and Claudius the God give an impression of non-stop murder, assassination, intrigue, promiscuity and sexual perversion.”
Colin Wilson, “A Criminal History of Mankind”

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5. Just this morning, someone mentioned the number of unexplained deaths of individuals associated with the Clintons.

There is an interest expose of the Clinton Administration called “Blood Sport.”

Rome versus “Arkan-side.”

 

[konradv]

….but there are reasons why so many bring up, and they weigh heavily on our political situation.

There are reasons whey this book comes up in the discussion.

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Both Rome and America re-shaped their world.



1.Certainly are a number of similarities between Rome and America, starting with achievements at home and around the world.

When the Aswan Dam was constructed and Lake Nasser flooded, Abu Simbel was about to be destroyed.....unless the entire shrine could be raised to the top of the plateau. And the project was headed by the US Corp of Engineers.
They were missioned with the moving the original Abu Simbel and maintaining the miraculous feature: on the birthday of Ramses the Great, and only on that day, sunlight lit the passage to the holy of holies.

As the Egyptians tell it, it lit up said site only on that day, an amazing feat based on their knowledge of astronomy.
They felt that only the United States has the ability, the computers necessary, to make the re-built temple perform as it had for centuries.

But.....
When the temple was moved, and aligned .....it no longer lit the passage on the accustomed day....but now, on February 22.
They say, it originally lit the passage way on the birthday of the great pharaoh of ancient times.....
....and now lit the passage on the birthday of the great man of modern times, George Washington.

View attachment 669242 View attachment 669244
From the outside.............................................................and the sunlight bathing the holy of holies.

Only America could raise this ancient monument and save it.



3. And, a tip of the hat to Rome for the same:

“…aqueducts from Scotland to Africa, and the Roman armies carried the ideals of Greek civilization over millions of square miles.”

Every culture wanted to be Roman...just as modern ones want to be America.

How many rulers have used the title of Caesar or ... - Quora​

https://www.quora.com › How-many-rulers-have-used-the...
The name 'Caesar' as title equivalent to 'Emperor, King, Ruler' spread into Europe and even into Russia - both 'Kaiser' (German) and 'Tsar' Russian) and 'Qaysar ...

Even in the Middle East we have 'Shah."




Usually, the comparisons of the two societies are used to predict the demise of America…..but as Twain supposedly noted: History doesn’t repeat itself….

…..but it does rhyme.



We know what happed to the Roman Empire.....and why it happened.

Are there lessons we could learn before it's too late?

A consideration of similarities in this thread.

Yeah, he wasn’t a fan of how Christianity accelerated the Fall of Rome.

Edward Gibbon- Enlightenment Historian of Religion

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Rome depreciated their currency as well. The US dollar is "Strong" now but that's because the EU is committing economic suicide by sanctioning the nation that will keep their lights and heating on

 

[Burgermeister]

Rome made it 1,000 years. Not a chance this republic makes it that long. We are already experiencing the problems with rule by the dumb masses the Founders tried to stave off. They didn't count on equally stupid "representatives".

 

[konradv]

Rome depreciated their currency as well. The US dollar is "Strong" now but that's because the EU is committing economic suicide by sanctioning the nation that will keep their lights and heating on

That’s what Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and France said in the 30s

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That’s what Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and France said in the 30s

I'm not sure you understand the point you're trying to make

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yeah, he wasn’t a fan of how Christianity accelerated the Fall of Rome.

Edward Gibbon- Enlightenment Historian of Religion

Based on the thread context, it appears you are suggesting that Christianity, the founding element of America, is accelerating the destruction of America.


Normal folks know that it is the Left/Democrats/Progressives doing it.


Let me know if I can help you further.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Rome depreciated their currency as well. The US dollar is "Strong" now but that's because the EU is committing economic suicide by sanctioning the nation that will keep their lights and heating on

Interesting.

I'll add that to the list.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Rome made it 1,000 years. Not a chance this republic makes it that long. We are already experiencing the problems with rule by the dumb masses the Founders tried to stave off. They didn't count on equally stupid "representatives".

I'll get the application for the Pessimist Club right out to you.

Under Democrat rule, our club is growing by leaps and bounds.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That’s what Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and France said in the 30s

Interesting that you bring up the time period when Germans fell under the same Mass Psychosis that Democrat voters today are suffering from.

It's the reason knowledgeable folks refer to today's Democrats as 'Good Germans.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. What brings the alignment of Rome with America into the conversation, is fear.

Fear by folks who love America......which is why it isn't Democrats who bring up the similarities.



Those who bring up Rome, do so when the issue is the dissolution of America’s values, morality, where license has replaced responsibility, where sexual deviance is considered an appropriate subject to be included in kindergarten, where marriage and two-parent homes are a rarity.


Values made America strong, and we are faced with adversaries that we may not be able to defeat.

One thinks of the vaunted Roman military in the third Punic War….

“For an earlier generation of Romans, the conquest of Carthage would have been an easy matter. But things had changed since the last Punic war. Riches had flooded into Rome, permitting unheard-of luxuries—such as taking baths in milk. Polit- ical corruption had become commonplace; but the politicians also set out to corrupt the plebs with flattery and amusements. A man who wanted to become a consul had to put on a gladiatorial show costing thousands of pounds; the richer the show, the more likely he was to be elected.

The old Romans had had only one festival a year; now there were dozens. The intellectuals read the Greeks, quoted Plato, and cultivated a taste for boy-love. Rich young dandies wore semi-transparent robes and took a pride in their hair-dos. In a mere half-century, Rome had turned into a kind of Sodom. The result was that the first attack on Carthage was a failure, almost a disaster.”
Colin Wilson, “A Criminal History of Mankind”



Amazing how the above reflects Democrat/Progressive America today.

 

[Vastator]

….but there are reasons why so many bring up, and they weigh heavily on our political situation.

There are reasons whey this book comes up in the discussion.

View attachment 669241




Both Rome and America re-shaped their world.



1.Certainly are a number of similarities between Rome and America, starting with achievements at home and around the world.

When the Aswan Dam was constructed and Lake Nasser flooded, Abu Simbel was about to be destroyed.....unless the entire shrine could be raised to the top of the plateau. And the project was headed by the US Corp of Engineers.
They were missioned with the moving the original Abu Simbel and maintaining the miraculous feature: on the birthday of Ramses the Great, and only on that day, sunlight lit the passage to the holy of holies.

As the Egyptians tell it, it lit up said site only on that day, an amazing feat based on their knowledge of astronomy.
They felt that only the United States has the ability, the computers necessary, to make the re-built temple perform as it had for centuries.

But.....
When the temple was moved, and aligned .....it no longer lit the passage on the accustomed day....but now, on February 22.
They say, it originally lit the passage way on the birthday of the great pharaoh of ancient times.....
....and now lit the passage on the birthday of the great man of modern times, George Washington.

View attachment 669242 View attachment 669244
From the outside.............................................................and the sunlight bathing the holy of holies.

Only America could raise this ancient monument and save it.



3. And, a tip of the hat to Rome for the same:

“…aqueducts from Scotland to Africa, and the Roman armies carried the ideals of Greek civilization over millions of square miles.”

Every culture wanted to be Roman...just as modern ones want to be America.

How many rulers have used the title of Caesar or ... - Quora​

https://www.quora.com › How-many-rulers-have-used-the...
The name 'Caesar' as title equivalent to 'Emperor, King, Ruler' spread into Europe and even into Russia - both 'Kaiser' (German) and 'Tsar' Russian) and 'Qaysar ...

Even in the Middle East we have 'Shah."




Usually, the comparisons of the two societies are used to predict the demise of America…..but as Twain supposedly noted: History doesn’t repeat itself….

…..but it does rhyme.



We know what happed to the Roman Empire.....and why it happened.

Are there lessons we could learn before it's too late?

A consideration of similarities in this thread.

Many similarities. Though one that is often skipped over, yet likely most relevant; was Romes transition from a Republic, to a dictatorship. And it’s under that series of dictatorships that the majority of Romes famed, and infamous achievements took place. And “Rome” persisted for a looong time under such rule.

So it likely may go for America. We already see a lack of faith, trust, and respect for the bloated corrupt body politic. And a yearning by the masses to galvanize themselves behind a figurehead that serves to represent what they feel embodies their own positions, and values. America is ripe for its own Caesar…

 

[PoliticalChic]

Many similarities. Though one that is often skipped over, yet likely most relevant; was Romes transition from a Republic, to a dictatorship. And it’s under that series of dictatorships that the majority of Romes famed, and infamous achievements took place. And “Rome” persisted for a looong time under such rule.

So it likely may go for America. We already see a lack of faith, trust, and respect for the bloated corrupt body politic. And a yearning by the masses to galvanize themselves behind a figurehead that serves to represent what they feel embodies their own positions, and values. America is ripe for its own Caesar…

Excellent.....you are kinda like the Paul Revere of the thread!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Today is the birthday of Julius Caesar, July 12, 100 BC



4. “But in Rome itself there was a continual bitter power struggle. The Greeks invented the democratic system of election. The Romans have the dubious distinction of having invented the homicidal system of election—the deliberate development of murder as a political engine.

Most historians date this from the murder of the tribune (or people’s representative) Tiberius Gracchus in 133 B.C. and state that the Emperor Augustus put a stop to it about a century later; in fact, it started in the early days of republican Rome and continued until its downfall in the fifth century A.D. By then it had become such a tradition that it continued intermittently down the ages, so that the history of the popes often reads like pages of I, Claudius.”

The poet Robert Graves was one of the first to recognize its possibilities for sensational fiction, and his novels I, Claudius and Claudius the God give an impression of non-stop murder, assassination, intrigue, promiscuity and sexual perversion.”
Colin Wilson, “A Criminal History of Mankind”

.

5. Just this morning, someone mentioned the number of unexplained deaths of individuals associated with the Clintons.

There is an interest expose of the Clinton Administration called “Blood Sport.”

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Rome versus “Arkan-side.”

Arkan-cide.....thanks Sunni.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. Nothing lasts forever….and some of us view the decline of Rome as having elements of the same sort here, under the Democrats. We have lost much of what made Americans great.



“The trouble was that Rome was becoming fat, lazy and vicious. A few Romans of the old school warned against the danger; but the majority of their fellow citizens simply could not see what they were talking about.

Wealth was flooding in from all sides. Everyone benefited; the plebs were always being given free hand-outs and treated to public spectacles in which captives had to fight for their lives against lions and tigers.

In a city as wealthy as Rome, there was plenty for everyone.

Rome’s greatness had been founded on small farmers who owned their own land; such men might have a few slaves, but these were treated almost as members of the family. And now, just as in the time of Marcus Manlius, soldiers returning from the war were being jailed for debt and the small farms were being gobbled up by the wealthy landowners.

A happy and contented land was turning into a land of suffering and crime.”
Colin Wilson, “A Criminal History of Mankind”




The Republican Party was once thought to as the party of the rich….but now that is the Democrats. The Democrats closed Trump’s miraculous economy, where the little guy was thriving…..and have encouraged and incited riots and assaults, crime skyrocketing all over the nation….as the Democrats planned, just to unseat Trump.


The comparison with the end days if Rome is evident.

 

[Votto]

Yeah, he wasn’t a fan of how Christianity accelerated the Fall of Rome.

Edward Gibbon- Enlightenment Historian of Religion

You mean as Christians were thrown to the lions in their arenas for Roman amusement?

You enjoyed those days and wish for their return

Just keep voting D.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean as Christians were thrown to the lions in their arenas for Roman amusement?

You enjoyed those days and wish for their return

Just keep voting D.

We had 'those days' in the year-long 12 thousand riots, arsons, assaults, murders, acts of domestic terrorism authorized by the Democrats and carried out by their voters.

They simply happened in the streets of America, rather than a Colosseum.

And participants are awarded new Nike sneakers.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. Which comes first a degraded character, open to criminality, or materialism?

“Historically, as Westernized cultures become more affluent and leisured, whether it’s ancient Rome or modern America and Europe, they birth fewer children—even as their appetites for more household and personal help spike. Life apparently is seen as too enjoyable to invest years in raising children. Americans are certainly marrying later. They are having fewer children, and in their 30s rather than 20s.” What Explains the Disappearing American?

Not the way it was founded.




It is more than interesting that Rome’s problems began when it became the richest city in the world.





Rome so envied Greek culture that they fibbed, and claimed it as paternity….

“Another version of early Roman history, as recounted by Winwood Reade, declares that ‘a rabble of outlaws and runaway slaves banded together, built a town, fortified it strongly, and offered it as an asylum to all fugitives. To Rome fled the over-beaten slave, the thief with his booty, the murderer with blood red hands. This city of refuge became a war town … its citizens alternately fought and farmed; it became the dread and torment of the neighbourhood.’ And because their city had no females, they kidnapped the women of the nearby Sabine tribe. It is an interesting story; for this tale of the founding of Rome by slaves and murderers helps to explain a certain fatal deficiency in the Roman soul—a curious insensitivity and literal-mind-ness. The Romans never learned to inhabit the world of imagination.”
Colin Wilson, “A Criminal History of Mankind”


And America???

Did you know that Georgia was a colony formed of debtors from England?

“The founder of Georgia, James Oglethorpe, specifically started the colony as a debtor's refuge in 1732, as an alternative to English debtors' prison.” The US Was Founded For Debtors, By Debtors



There is a lot America has in common with Rome.

 

[konradv]

I'm not sure you understand the point you're trying to make

Talking to yourself again, Frank?